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Please post authenticity questions related to COACH in this thread. No PMs please.
For further information, please refer to the first post on page 1 of this thread.

Please follow the following requests:
  • Before you submit a request for authentication, please search this thread to make sure that the item has not previously been authenticated by searching the seller ID and/or item number. This is not a thread to ask general questions about COACH, please refer to our main Coach forum for such information.
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  • FOR ITEMS LISTED ONLINE:
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    Item:
    Where purchased or how obtained
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BASIC PICTURES REQUIRED (but more may be requested): If necessary pictures are in the listing, it's not necessary to upload and duplicate them.
  • Front of item
  • Back of item
  • Full clear and legible creed text and serial number
  • Made in tags (when available)
  • Measurements
  • For bags with turnlock closures, show pictures of back of female side of turnlock
  • For bags with magnetic snaps, show pictures of the male part of the snap so that the numbers and letters on it can be read
  • If applicable, search interior of bag and/or pockets for small white tag with production information and include a picture of that.
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Hyacinth said:
Welcome to tPF!

The second one IS a Willis with nickle hardware.

Unfortunately the backpack is fake, which isn't that uncommon with "Coaches" bought on Poshmark since they don't have any kind of authentication system and refuse to act on reports of fakes on their site even when they're reported by the Coach authenticators here who are also registered as PM members and when the details of WHY the items are fake are clearly explained. That's why we never recommend buying from PM. Even if you'd found out right after you bought it that it was fake, you still might not get a refund, quite a few members here have had to fight tooth and nail to get their money back and many never did.

That padded area of the leather tab that's part the turnlock mounting isn't shaped correctly. Many fake Willises and other bags from that family show the same problem, and should always be authenticated here because they're almost all highly faked. The shape of the flap on the front pocket is also very slightly "off" on the bottom edge, that's another warning sign for fake backpacks in this 9992 style, and there are a LOT of fakes. Other problems - the serial number prefix has a plant code that doesn't quite fit with what we've been able to figure out about the history of that "B" plant, and the entire serial number font is too big, it doesn't match the few genuine B plant bags I have on file. We discussed the same situation here several times including this post from last year:
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads/authenticate-this-coach.889527/page-1179#post-30688653

So while G2B- prefixes with a smaller font are genuine if they have the same fonts as the genuine ones in our photo libraries, those H2B-s apparently aren't. Not only are the fonts wrong, but there are always at least 2 or 3 other details that are red flags.

BTW, in the other thread you said it was from 1992. I think you may have some bad information or maybe misunderstood how Coach date codes are read. Coach wasn't even using actual date and year codes in serial numbers until 1994, so a 2 in the year position would indicate 2002, not 1992. And that particular backpack style wasn't even introduced until late1996.

Please read and save the links to the six Salearea Coach Guides posted at Ebay, the creeds and serial numbers are dissected in several of the Guides:
http://www.ebay.com/gsr/i.html?uid="salearea"&rmvSB=true
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Thank you for the info! Sad that it isn't genuine but good to know. Oh right I did mis-speak (or type I suppose?) in the other thread. I sometimes forget that the numbers don't correspond to years until 94.
 
#22,922
whateve said:
Just to clarify what Hyacinth wrote, this bag is authentic. The silver hardware was called nickel, and is a little different from silver. Just curious, is the zipper inside brass? It looks like it in the photos. I've seen authentic bags with nickel hardware that used brass zippers so that isn't a problem.
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The zipper is brass but the zipper pull is nickel. Not sure if it is original or was originally brass and was replaced at some point.
 
#22,923
merritt9 said:
The zipper is brass but the zipper pull is nickel. Not sure if it is original or was originally brass and was replaced at some point.
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I think it is probably all original. I think that when they first started using nickel hardware, they didn't have a supplier for nickel or silver zippers so they used the same zippers they were using for brass hardware items.
 
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merritt9 said:
Item: Coach backpack
Item number: do not believe Poshmark has item numbers
Seller: allagevintage65
Link: https://poshmark.com/listing/Coach-backpack-58cbfee578b31c452302f7eb
Link (extra photos): https://poshmark.com/listing/Not-for-sell-58e0f2e2eaf03005df076d7d

And a photo of creed because the one the seller posted is not very clear: View attachment 3712904
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Hyacinth said:
Welcome to tPF!

Unfortunately the backpack is fake, which isn't that uncommon with "Coaches" bought on Poshmark since they don't have any kind of authentication system and refuse to act on reports of fakes on their site even when they're reported by the Coach authenticators here who are also registered as PM members and when the details of WHY the items are fake are clearly explained. That's why we never recommend buying from PM. Even if you'd found out right after you bought it that it was fake, you still might not get a refund, quite a few members here have had to fight tooth and nail to get their money back and many never did.

That padded area of the leather tab that's part the turnlock mounting isn't shaped correctly. Many fake Willises and other bags from that family show the same problem, and should always be authenticated here because they're almost all highly faked. The shape of the flap on the front pocket is also very slightly "off" on the bottom edge, that's another warning sign for fake backpacks in this 9992 style, and there are a LOT of fakes. Other problems - the serial number prefix has a plant code that doesn't quite fit with what we've been able to figure out about the history of that "B" plant, and the entire serial number font is too big, it doesn't match the few genuine B plant bags I have on file. We discussed the same situation here several times including this post from last year:
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads/authenticate-this-coach.889527/page-1179#post-30688653

So while G2B- prefixes with a smaller font are genuine if they have the same fonts as the genuine ones in our photo libraries, those H2B-s apparently aren't. Not only are the fonts wrong, but there are always at least 2 or 3 other details that are red flags.

BTW, in the other thread you said it was from 1992. I think you may have some bad information or maybe misunderstood how Coach date codes are read. Coach wasn't even using actual date and year codes in serial numbers until 1994, so a 2 in the year position would indicate 2002, not 1992. And that particular backpack style wasn't even introduced until late1996.

Please read and save the links to the six Salearea Coach Guides posted at Ebay, the creeds and serial numbers are dissected in several of the Guides:
http://www.ebay.com/gsr/i.html?uid="salearea"&rmvSB=true
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It looks like you bought the backpack early in April and since I'm not sure of Poshmark's return policy and don't trust them to recognize a fake even if you're still within their timeframe, I recommend opening a dispute through Paypal and file for "not as described." Make it very clear that the bag is counterfeit and should never have been sold.

Paypal allows 180 days for a dispute so you have plenty of time if the seller, Trina - allagevintage65 isn't agreeable.




 
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#22,927
whateve said:
The pictures are too small and I can't enlarge them to see clearly, but I'm seeing a 1997 date. That isn't too early. From what I can see, I don't see any problems.
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Thank you whateve. I thought I saw 3 digits-- I guess I didn't see the photos clearly!

I also bought
...vintage Coach...
eBay # 252943649907
Seller: katenobel
http://www.ebay.com/itm/122487101353?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT

Either I paid too little for this Bridle or too much for a fake. I would appreciate your giving me your opinion. Thank you.
 
#22,928
Item description: NWOT Coach 1941 Rogue Bag in Glove Tanned Pebble Leather Oxblood 20315
eBay item number: 182592587905
Seller: sdce974
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/NWOT-Coach-...hash=item2a835dc881:g:7rAAAOSwWWxY8~c8#viTabs

Link to actual Coach.com site for desired style:
http://www.coach.com/coach-designer..._medium=aff&utm_Campaign=448423&utm_Content=1

Style number listed on coach.com as 54556, but eBay listing shows RH-20315 on the creed. Also, details on size in listing show closer to the Rogue 25, but I have not seen Rogue 25 in this color....wonder if they've got the sizes wrong and copied from coach website but wrong style......

Thanks for the help everyone!
 
#22,929
Ebkbay said:
Thank you whateve. I thought I saw 3 digits-- I guess I didn't see the photos clearly!

I also bought
...vintage Coach...
eBay # 252943649907
Seller: katenobel
http://www.ebay.com/itm/122487101353?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT

Either I paid too little for this Bridle or too much for a fake. I would appreciate your giving me your opinion. Thank you.
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I wish the picture of the creed was a little clearer but I think it looks good. The Bridle collection doesn't sell well online for some reason, probably because it wasn't around long enough for people to be familiar with it.

ETA: I guess your eyes are worse than mine! On the Sonoma, I'm seeing a prefix of D7B.
 
#22,930
whateve said:
I wish the picture of the creed was a little clearer but I think it looks good. The Bridle collection doesn't sell well online for some reason, probably because it wasn't around long enough for people to be familiar with it.

ETA: I guess your eyes are worse than mine! On the Sonoma, I'm seeing a prefix of D7B.
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Thank you, once again, whateve. As to my eyes, I remember when I first saw an optometrist a number of decades ago, she told me that my eyes had "matured". I guess they have become downright old since then!
 
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#22,933
Ebkbay said:
I recently bought this
Coach red Sonoma
eBay # 162521152320
Seller: junking*yorkie
http://www.ebay.com/itm/162521152320?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT
Is the creed date too early to be authentic?
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whateve said:
The pictures are too small and I can't enlarge them to see clearly, but I'm seeing a 1997 date. That isn't too early. From what I can see, I don't see any problems.
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I can't read the creed either but wanted to offer a comment on the seller, junking*yorkie ( junking yorkie ).

The seller has a history of mixing fakes and in fact, this is a post from less than a month ago when the seller had a fake confirmed:
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads/authenticate-this-coach.889527/page-1474#post-31292980
 
#22,934
BeenBurned said:
I can't read the creed either but wanted to offer a comment on the seller, junking*yorkie ( junking yorkie ).

The seller has a history of mixing fakes and in fact, this is a post from less than a month ago when the seller had a fake confirmed:
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads/authenticate-this-coach.889527/page-1474#post-31292980
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I checked the authentication thread to see if junking yorkie showed up. Maybe I misspelled the name somehow because there was no record of the name. Does the search function always function correctly?
 
#22,935
Ebkbay said:
I checked the authentication thread to see if junking yorkie showed up. Maybe I misspelled the name somehow because there was no record of the name. Does the search function always function correctly?
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When there's a special character (underscore, asterisk, etc.), it doesn't always work. I searched just "junking" and found some posts confirming authenticity of items and the one with a fake. And in searching my own records, I found fakes from July, 2015, April 2016 and April 2017.
 
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