Authenticate This COACH - **see first post for format**

[Vlad]

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BASIC PICTURES REQUIRED (but more may be requested): If necessary pictures are in the listing, it's not necessary to upload and duplicate them.

• Front of item
• Back of item
• Full clear and legible creed text and serial number
• Made in tags (when available)
• Measurements
• For bags with turnlock closures, show pictures of back of female side of turnlock
• For bags with magnetic snaps, show pictures of the male part of the snap so that the numbers and letters on it can be read
• If applicable, search interior of bag and/or pockets for small white tag with production information and include a picture of that.

Thank you and be safe!

 

[katev]

It says 20315 in the title of the ebay listings, can't really read the creed patch numbers.

Does coach make a 20315 bag? Is it a rogue?

 

[Hyacinth]

I found 2 different rogue bags on ebay with number 20315 in the listing titles; so maybe it is just coach weirdness with the serial numbers? Or not?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-COACH-ROGUE-20315-BLACK-LEATHER-OLD-BRASS-/132151967851?hash=item1ec4df006b:g:sHUAAOSw3utY55Si

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-COACH-1941-RIVETS-ROGUE-25-GINGER-BROWN-Satchel-Handbag-20315-/162460009592?hash=item25d35f0478:g:JVcAAOSwXYtY2bIe

This has been talked about before, on January 8 and March 11 of this year, search tPF forums for "20315"... "20315" is one of those fake style numbers Coach pulled out of their arses a while back to use inside different Rogue styles. The number stamped on those creed patches doesn't mean diddly-squat and can't be used for authentication. There are no valid plant or production codes in that so-called serial number.
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads...des-and-markings.738785/page-13#post-31149378
and
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads...des-and-markings.738785/page-13#post-31149733
and
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads/authenticate-this-coach.889527/page-1293#post-30957798

If you're really interested in one of those bags please contact the seller and have them take photos of the two small tags inside the bag with the country of origin and the production codes. I'm sure more photos will be needed once we see those.

If you Search Ebay's Completed listings you'll find at least THREE totally different Rogue styles with that same bullshyte "serial number" stamped in them. Don't waste your time trying to figure out which number is "real" because NONE of them are. There was even at least one listing picked up by different search engines on a known fakes-selling site. But a search of tPF for "20315" in the Coach forums will answer at least a part of your question.

 

[BeenBurned]

Hi ladies, I'd be so grateful if you could help authenticate this Coach tea rose applique Rogue!
Item Name (if you know it): Coach Rogue with Tea Rose Applique
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I'm no authenticator and I don't have a tea rose applique rogue bag; but I was surprised by the number of times that your bag is stamped "Coach" they barely missed a spot! Are most Rogue bags stamped "Coach" so heavily?

I found the completed ebay sale at the link below and it looks a lot like the bag you are asking about and something struck me as unusual - the style number on the price tag is 58840 but the number on the creed is 20315. That seems like a red flag to me; but Coach has been doing weird things with serial numbers lately so maybe not.

Attached is the photo that pops up in the Coach Drill Down for 58840 OLCHK; but I don't get any pictures for 20315. Hopefully the authenticators will be able to help you out, good luck!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/COACH-ROGUE-25-with-tea-rose-applique-STYLE-NO-58840-/201773312790?hash=item2efaa06b16:g:BUwAAOSwUKxYbblf&nma=true&si=AEGR3eMmJTa0MVv%2FjeFB7q2nAb4%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

I found 2 different rogue bags on ebay with number 20315 in the listing titles; so maybe it is just coach weirdness with the serial numbers? Or not?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-COACH-ROGUE-20315-BLACK-LEATHER-OLD-BRASS-/132151967851?hash=item1ec4df006b:g:sHUAAOSw3utY55Si

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-COACH-1941-RIVETS-ROGUE-25-GINGER-BROWN-Satchel-Handbag-20315-/162460009592?hash=item25d35f0478:g:JVcAAOSwXYtY2bIe

It says 20315 in the title of the ebay listings, can't really read the creed patch numbers.

Does coach make a 20315 bag? Is it a rogue?

I'll be blunt. Coach is really pi$$ing me off!

First they remove serial numbers from creeds and hide them on a cloth label hidden away in any one of a multitude of possible places in the bag, most often in the zipper pocket.

Then they come up with the 1941 collection bags with style numbers that seem to be only on the price tag and a totally unrelated "style" number on the creed.

Then they bring back some bags with date/plant code prefixes and style number suffixes.

But wait! There's more!

On some of the 1941 collection bags, they use different texts and formats than on others.

On some 1941 collection bags, they have a possible (probable?) misspelled word.

And where in the past, the more "Coach" was splattered on all the hardware was indicative of a fake, now it appears they're doing it to genuine items.

Ugh! I'm too old for this shyte! (Thanks, @Hyacinth for my new favorite non-cuss word.)

I did mention those creeds a while back. From what I've been able to figure out, the "serial numbers" on the 1941 collection bags have a prefix that indicates the style of the bag:
SD = saddle
RG = rogue
DK = dinky

As for the suffixes, I have no idea where they got those numbers.
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads...des-and-markings.738785/page-13#post-31149733

@nancyy92, I think the bag is authentic but I'm basing that judgement on my knowledge of what I've seen in looking at dozens and not from actually having handled that bag.

 

[BeenBurned]

As for the suffixes, I have no idea where they got those numbers.
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads...des-and-markings.738785/page-13#post-31149733

I was busy typing while Hyacinth was posting. I see that she figured out where they got the "style" numbers.......

"20315" is one of those fake style numbers Coach pulled out of their arses a while back to use inside different Rogue styles.

 

[BeenBurned]

I think this is fake. I think the font is incorrect for the G plant.

Please confirm or deny:

seller love2shopdotbags
Item number: 322107734722
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-COACH-V...G-PURSE-USA-/322107734722?hash=item4aff1dfac2

LOVE2SHOPDOTBAGS creed


I've also looked at several other bags with *9G creeds, one of which there's no question of fakeness and the fonts all match, all have the same spacing, all have the same "round" C in Coach (first line of creed text), all have squished "states."

Obvious fake creed:


H9G creed: from this current listing:
Seller jadair752
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-COA...923046?hash=item41c1a88ce6:g:YIQAAOSw44BYm21B

I've also referred to these posts:
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads/authenticate-this-coach.889527/page-1298#post-30968574

https://forum.purseblog.com/threads/authenticate-this-coach.889527/page-1298#post-30968738

 

[likecoach]

Hi Ladies, I think this is one of those culprits

Vintage Coach Leather Duffle Feed Bag Brown Leather Bucket Tote Brown

eBay item number:252842056205

Seller: clearmaple365 (735 )

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Coach-Leather-Duffle-Feed-Bag-Brown-Leather-Bucket-Tote-Brown/252842056205?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid=222007&algo=SIC.MBE&ao=2&asc=40130&meid=7af56a6eaf0847519686bdda82da10db&pid=100005&rk=2&rkt=6&sd=182521195814
"SCRTCHES" misspelled

Does anyone think the Bleeker bags (duffel or bucket?) with the tattersall lining are decent leather?

 

[whateve]

I think this is fake. I think the font is incorrect for the G plant.

Please confirm or deny:

seller love2shopdotbags
Item number: 322107734722
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-COACH-V...G-PURSE-USA-/322107734722?hash=item4aff1dfac2

LOVE2SHOPDOTBAGS creed
View attachment 3660655

I've also looked at several other bags with *9G creeds, one of which there's no question of fakeness and the fonts all match, all have the same spacing, all have the same "round" C in Coach (first line of creed text), all have squished "states."

Obvious fake creed:
View attachment 3660661

H9G creed: from this current listing:
Seller jadair752
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-COA...923046?hash=item41c1a88ce6:g:YIQAAOSw44BYm21B
View attachment 3660662
I've also referred to these posts:
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads/authenticate-this-coach.889527/page-1298#post-30968574

https://forum.purseblog.com/threads/authenticate-this-coach.889527/page-1298#post-30968738

This isn't the first time we've found love2shopdotbags with a fake! I can confirm it is fake. Authentic G creeds have similar font and spacing to H plant creeds. The last authentic G plant creed I have in my files is from 1998.

 

[Hyacinth]

I think this is fake. I think the font is incorrect for the G plant.

Please confirm or deny:

seller love2shopdotbags
Item number: 322107734722
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-COACH-V...G-PURSE-USA-/322107734722?hash=item4aff1dfac2

LOVE2SHOPDOTBAGS creed
View attachment 3660655

I've also looked at several other bags with *9G creeds, one of which there's no question of fakeness and the fonts all match, all have the same spacing, all have the same "round" C in Coach (first line of creed text), all have squished "states."

Obvious fake creed:
View attachment 3660661

H9G creed: from this current listing:
Seller jadair752
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-COA...923046?hash=item41c1a88ce6:g:YIQAAOSw44BYm21B
View attachment 3660662
I've also referred to these posts:
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads/authenticate-this-coach.889527/page-1298#post-30968574

https://forum.purseblog.com/threads/authenticate-this-coach.889527/page-1298#post-30968738

My personal notes on plant codes say that all *9G serial numbers seem to be fake", and including the ones you just posted. B9G- seems to be the most common but I've also found a fake N9G- with a slightly different serial font, an E9G- with a serial font that matches the ones you've posted with B, R and H9G- prefixes, and even a few from several years before that. I'd always want to see the entire bag before reporting any of them since G may have been another "floater" like M. But even temporary plants using a floater serial stamp should have been able to at least use valid month codes so the N and R month codes already have 2 strikes against them. While I might not personally report any of them without more evidence, I would never take a chance on buying them.

The only G plant code I'm sure of has been from a luggage plant in 1997, but if it was a floater code, heaven only knows where it touched down in its travels., or even if it might have been used on a stamp with up-to-date and even fonts where the G was the same size as all the other letters.

 

[whateve]

Hi Ladies, I think this is one of those culprits

Vintage Coach Leather Duffle Feed Bag Brown Leather Bucket Tote Brown

eBay item number:252842056205

Seller: clearmaple365 (735 )

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Coach-Leather-Duffle-Feed-Bag-Brown-Leather-Bucket-Tote-Brown/252842056205?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid=222007&algo=SIC.MBE&ao=2&asc=40130&meid=7af56a6eaf0847519686bdda82da10db&pid=100005&rk=2&rkt=6&sd=182521195814
"SCRTCHES" misspelled

Does anyone think the Bleeker bags (duffel or bucket?) with the tattersall lining are decent leather?

definitely fake! Number is on fakes list.

On another note, I love the Bleecker bag leather! It's a different kind of leather than glove-tanned. It is burnished, has kind of a sheen, and is extremely smooth. The larger duffles are huge and deep, about 14 inches wide by 13 inches tall, but not as deep as a duffle sac so they hug your body better.

 

[Hyacinth]

Hi Ladies, I think this is one of those culprits

Vintage Coach Leather Duffle Feed Bag Brown Leather Bucket Tote Brown

eBay item number:252842056205

Seller: clearmaple365 (735 )

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Coach-Leather-Duffle-Feed-Bag-Brown-Leather-Bucket-Tote-Brown/252842056205?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid=222007&algo=SIC.MBE&ao=2&asc=40130&meid=7af56a6eaf0847519686bdda82da10db&pid=100005&rk=2&rkt=6&sd=182521195814
"SCRTCHES" misspelled

Does anyone think the Bleeker bags (duffel or bucket?) with the tattersall lining are decent leather?

Yes, -4154 seems to be an invalid style number, and M4N-4154 is on the Daria48 Fakes list as "suspect". Not to mention the misspelling, bad font and wrong style number, and the lousy-fitting inside pocket zipper and generally p1ss-poor creed stamping.

 

[Catbird9]

Hi Ladies, I think this is one of those culprits

Vintage Coach Leather Duffle Feed Bag Brown Leather Bucket Tote Brown

eBay item number:252842056205

Seller: clearmaple365 (735 )

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Coach-Leather-Duffle-Feed-Bag-Brown-Leather-Bucket-Tote-Brown/252842056205?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid=222007&algo=SIC.MBE&ao=2&asc=40130&meid=7af56a6eaf0847519686bdda82da10db&pid=100005&rk=2&rkt=6&sd=182521195814
"SCRTCHES" misspelled

Does anyone think the Bleeker bags (duffel or bucket?) with the tattersall lining are decent leather?

definitely fake! Number is on fakes list.

On another note, I love the Bleecker bag leather! It's a different kind of leather than glove-tanned. It is burnished, has kind of a sheen, and is extremely smooth. The larger duffles are huge and deep, about 14 inches wide by 13 inches tall, but not as deep as a duffle sac so they hug your body better.

I second that emotion on the Bleecker tattersall bags.

 

[Hyacinth]

Yes, -4154 seems to be an invalid style number, and M4N-4154 is on the Daria48 Fakes list as "suspect". Not to mention the misspelling, bad font and wrong style number, and the lousy-fitting inside pocket zipper and generally p1ss-poor creed stamping.

Hi Ladies, I think this is one of those culprits

Vintage Coach Leather Duffle Feed Bag Brown Leather Bucket Tote Brown

eBay item number:252842056205

Seller: clearmaple365 (735 )

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Coach-Leather-Duffle-Feed-Bag-Brown-Leather-Bucket-Tote-Brown/252842056205?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid=222007&algo=SIC.MBE&ao=2&asc=40130&meid=7af56a6eaf0847519686bdda82da10db&pid=100005&rk=2&rkt=6&sd=182521195814
"SCRTCHES" misspelled

Does anyone think the Bleeker bags (duffel or bucket?) with the tattersall lining are decent leather?

Just a quick correction, I should have checked Part 2 of Daria48's Guide which lists that M4N-4154 number as ALWAYS fake:
http://www.ebay.com/gds/Fake-Coach-Serial-Numbers-Part-2-/10000000179041909/g.html

"M4N-4154 - Update:

Enough evidence has been found to say that the above serial number is ALWAYS FAKE, no exceptions. Not only was the N plant in the US apparently opened only for a very brief time if it was ever opened here at all, but it had apparently closed long before the end of 1994 (the fake date code is for December 1994). No genuineCoach handbag has ever been found with that 4154 style number. And every bag we've found that number in not only has serious production mistakes and date irregularities and are never the same styles, but so far the creed seems to always have "SCRTCHES" misspelled."

 

[likecoach]

Just a quick correction, I should have checked Part 2 of Daria48's Guide which lists that M4N-4154 number as ALWAYS fake:
http://www.ebay.com/gds/Fake-Coach-Serial-Numbers-Part-2-/10000000179041909/g.html

"M4N-4154 - Update:

Enough evidence has been found to say that the above serial number is ALWAYS FAKE, no exceptions. Not only was the N plant in the US apparently opened only for a very brief time if it was ever opened here at all, but it had apparently closed long before the end of 1994 (the fake date code is for December 1994). No genuineCoach handbag has ever been found with that 4154 style number. And every bag we've found that number in not only has serious production mistakes and date irregularities and are never the same styles, but so far the creed seems to always have "SCRTCHES" misspelled."

You are absolutely correct, I didn't go to part two. One of these days I will get thorough!
Thanks for the opinions on the Bleekers, have never seen one in person and I'm still trying to figure out what lines were good and what wasn't before I buy.. I am looking at one or two and they look a bit amazing. Love the burnished leather (know it spots and such).

 

[BeenBurned]

This isn't the first time we've found love2shopdotbags with a fake! I can confirm it is fake. Authentic G creeds have similar font and spacing to H plant creeds. The last authentic G plant creed I have in my files is from 1998.

Thank you. I know it's not love2shopdotbags 's first rodeo. As you've commented, I only knew of authentic Gs similar to H (and L).

My personal notes on plant codes say that all *9G serial numbers seem to be fake", and including the ones you just posted. B9G- seems to be the most common but I've also found a fake N9G- with a slightly different serial font, an E9G- with a serial font that matches the ones you've posted with B, R and H9G- prefixes, and even a few from several years before that. I'd always want to see the entire bag before reporting any of them since G may have been another "floater" like M. But even temporary plants using a floater serial stamp should have been able to at least use valid month codes so the N and R month codes already have 2 strikes against them. While I might not personally report any of them without more evidence, I would never take a chance on buying them.

The only G plant code I'm sure of has been from a luggage plant in 1997, but if it was a floater code, heaven only knows where it touched down in its travels., or even if it might have been used on a stamp with up-to-date and even fonts where the G was the same size as all the other letters.

Thanks to you also.

 

[Guccigaga]

Hello girls
I am having trouble figuring out what this bag is called and also if it is authentic. Thank you in advanced
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