Authenticate This COACH - **see first post for format**

[Vlad]

IMPORTANT READ-ME

Please post authenticity questions related to COACH in this thread. No PMs please.
For further information, please refer to the first post on page 1 of this thread.

Please follow the following requests:

• Before you submit a request for authentication, please search this thread to make sure that the item has not previously been authenticated by searching the seller ID and/or item number. This is not a thread to ask general questions about COACH, please refer to our main Coach forum for such information.
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  Listing number:
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BASIC PICTURES REQUIRED (but more may be requested): If necessary pictures are in the listing, it's not necessary to upload and duplicate them.

• Front of item
• Back of item
• Full clear and legible creed text and serial number
• Made in tags (when available)
• Measurements
• For bags with turnlock closures, show pictures of back of female side of turnlock
• For bags with magnetic snaps, show pictures of the male part of the snap so that the numbers and letters on it can be read
• If applicable, search interior of bag and/or pockets for small white tag with production information and include a picture of that.

Thank you and be safe!

 

[BeenBurned]

Coach Black Glove-Tanned Leather Messenger Crossbody Bag Purse 20215
Seller information
thriftonic
eBay item number:
322397545282

The second is too new for me, wait for someone who knows newer styles

The second one looks good but the style number isn't 20215. I am not sure what style number is but there' should be a white tag/label inside the bag either in the main compartment sewn in to the lining or inside the zipper pocket. That white tag has production information that indicates a style number which I believe might be 55149.

In fact, that number on the creed, DK-20215 is used on more than one style of Dinky bag from the 1941 collection. The bags are similar but some smooth leather and some with floral appliques.
Here's the same non-serial number on another bag in a different design.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Auth-COACH-...429816?hash=item2efb3acab8:g:ZJ4AAOSwj85YOO6-

I believe this is Coach's webpage for style 55149.
http://www.coach.com/coach-designer...id=220774522&gclid=COnQxq670tECFYlWDQodU48H3A

I commented on the 1941 collection bags a week or so ago:
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads/authenticate-this-coach.889527/page-1293#post-30957798

 

[Hyacinth]

Good Evening Authenticators,
Item: Vintage Bonnie Cashin Brown Tote Bag
Listing number: 20519286
Seller: Eileen Dobney - Tradesy
Link: https://www.tradesy.com/bags/coach-...source=crt&utm_campaign=d&utm_content=display

Item: Handbag Vintage Brown Tote Bag
Listing number: 20817271
Seller: Lisa m.
Link: https://www.tradesy.com/bags/coach-satchel-leather-tote-bag-brown-20517271/?tref=closet

Item: Vintage Black Tote Bag
Listing number: 20454233
Seller: Carmen M.
Link: https://www.tradesy.com/bags/coach-tote-bag-black-20454233/?tref=closet

Comments: Please authenticate these Coach bags. TIA

All three look ok, Whateve can probably identify the first one. It's not from the "Cashin Era" if it has a serial number. And there are actually TWO different bags in the listing, so who knows which one she's actually selling? SHEESH.

The second looks like a Madison Satchel 9725, and the third is a Weston Shopper Tote.

 

[whateve]

Good Evening Authenticators,
Item: Vintage Bonnie Cashin Brown Tote Bag
Listing number: 20519286
Seller: Eileen Dobney - Tradesy
Link: https://www.tradesy.com/bags/coach-...source=crt&utm_campaign=d&utm_content=display

Item: Handbag Vintage Brown Tote Bag
Listing number: 20817271
Seller: Lisa m.
Link: https://www.tradesy.com/bags/coach-satchel-leather-tote-bag-brown-20517271/?tref=closet

Item: Vintage Black Tote Bag
Listing number: 20454233
Seller: Carmen M.
Link: https://www.tradesy.com/bags/coach-tote-bag-black-20454233/?tref=closet

Comments: Please authenticate these Coach bags. TIA

All three look ok, Whateve can probably identify the first one. It's not from the "Cashin Era" if it has a serial number. And there are actually TWO different bags in the listing, so who knows which one she's actually selling? SHEESH.

The second looks like a Madison Satchel 9725, and the third is a Weston Shopper Tote.

The first is a watermelon satchel #9441. (Ignore pictures 4 and 5!) It was sometimes called a watermelon tote, but there was another watermelon tote that had an open top. The seller's measurements might be slightly off. She was probably measuring the briefcase shown in pictures 4 and 5. Coach says it is 13 inches long, not 15.5, and mine seems to be nearly 14 inches. There are early versions of this style that were made during the Bonnie Cashin era, so it is likely a Bonnie Cashin design, but it was made after she left Coach, probably in the late 70s or early 80s. It appears to be in fantastic condition.

 

[MagdalaWalker]

Can someone authenticate this purse. My friend has one of these that she had bought on ebay a few years back but I haven't been able to authenticate it for her. I went through all the wayback machine threads but this purse is not on there. She said she thought it might have been a limited edition. The creed on her purse is G1093-15982. The closest I've found is the link below of one on ebay now that ended on December 11. Their creed photo is blurry but it would have said COACH LEATHERWARE with the stagecoach above. Then it is impressed THIS IS A COACH BAG. IT WAS HANDCRAFTED IN CHINA FROM THE FINEST MATERIALS AND LEATHER. ITS SUPERIOR CRAFTSMANSHIP REFLECTS OUR COMMITMENT TO ENDURING QUALITY. No. G1093-15982. It is made from suede, velvet, and pony hair. The only actual leather is the handle, as there is no leather trim on the top or the bottom. Even the handles are attached with large brass O-rings that are attached with suede, not leather. It measures 19 inches across by 14-1/2 inches by 4 inches deep. None of the brass hardware says COACH and COACH is no where on the outside or inside of the tote except on the creed and the fobs.
Item: COACH 15982 HAMPTION BURGUNDY MULTI HAIRCALF/SUEDE PWK TOTE LEATHER STRAPS $898+
Listing No. 262753292244
Seller: serroka1
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/COACH-15982...D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
Comments: Seller has over 1,000 positive feedbacks. Hampton is misspelled in the title, but that could be an accident. Purse sold for $675 on ebay. Buyer has not left feedback. A search on the UPC only comes back to this auction.
Thank you!!!

 

[Hyacinth]

Can someone authenticate this purse. My friend has one of these that she had bought on ebay a few years back but I haven't been able to authenticate it for her. I went through all the wayback machine threads but this purse is not on there. She said she thought it might have been a limited edition. The creed on her purse is G1093-15982. The closest I've found is the link below of one on ebay now that ended on December 11. Their creed photo is blurry but it would have said COACH LEATHERWARE with the stagecoach above. Then it is impressed THIS IS A COACH BAG. IT WAS HANDCRAFTED IN CHINA FROM THE FINEST MATERIALS AND LEATHER. ITS SUPERIOR CRAFTSMANSHIP REFLECTS OUR COMMITMENT TO ENDURING QUALITY. No. G1093-15982. It is made from suede, velvet, and pony hair. The only actual leather is the handle, as there is no leather trim on the top or the bottom. Even the handles are attached with large brass O-rings that are attached with suede, not leather. It measures 19 inches across by 14-1/2 inches by 4 inches deep. None of the brass hardware says COACH and COACH is no where on the outside or inside of the tote except on the creed and the fobs.
Item: COACH 15982 HAMPTION BURGUNDY MULTI HAIRCALF/SUEDE PWK TOTE LEATHER STRAPS $898+
Listing No. 262753292244
Seller: serroka1
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/COACH-15982-HAMPTION-BURGUNDY-MULTI-HAIRCALF-SUEDE-PWK-TOTE-LEATHER-STRAPS-898-/262753292244?hash=item3d2d510fd4:g:xMsAAOSwwo1XfZjJ&nma=true&si=Gja1GpG9AxruS2QOBcTsuIbwFkg%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
Comments: Seller has over 1,000 positive feedbacks. Hampton is misspelled in the title, but that could be an accident. Purse sold for $675 on ebay. Buyer has not left feedback. A search on the UPC only comes back to this auction.
Thank you!!!

It's IMPOSSIBLE to authenticate anything based just on a photo of a different item. We need photos of the actual bag in question. Please read Post number One in this thread for more details and for what areas of the bag we need to see.

But the fact that except for the Ebay listing, all the links found using that style number lead to 3rd-party "enablers" who collect and post links to dozens of listings, and to one site located in China, bagsok DOT com, that's a known fakes-selling site doesn't give me a lot of confidence in that Ebay listing.

Another big red flag in the Ebay listing is the way the creed statement is positioned inside the stamp. Other details don't look like anything I've ever seen used on a Coach before. The other ones I have pictures of with the Carriage logo from exactly the same time period also show other differences in the stamping and the general details.

If I had to put money on it, I'd say Fake, either Chinese or Filippino, and I'd be willing to make a VERY large wager on that. It may not even be a copy of a real Coach style.. And that's just for the one that was listed on Ebay. I don't want to go into more detail because fakes makers read this forum too and we're getting tired of telling them what's wrong with their fakes so they can just make them more accurate and scam more buyers.

 

[BeenBurned]

Can someone authenticate this purse. My friend has one of these that she had bought on ebay a few years back but I haven't been able to authenticate it for her. I went through all the wayback machine threads but this purse is not on there. She said she thought it might have been a limited edition. The creed on her purse is G1093-15982. The closest I've found is the link below of one on ebay now that ended on December 11. Their creed photo is blurry but it would have said COACH LEATHERWARE with the stagecoach above. Then it is impressed THIS IS A COACH BAG. IT WAS HANDCRAFTED IN CHINA FROM THE FINEST MATERIALS AND LEATHER. ITS SUPERIOR CRAFTSMANSHIP REFLECTS OUR COMMITMENT TO ENDURING QUALITY. No. G1093-15982. It is made from suede, velvet, and pony hair. The only actual leather is the handle, as there is no leather trim on the top or the bottom. Even the handles are attached with large brass O-rings that are attached with suede, not leather. It measures 19 inches across by 14-1/2 inches by 4 inches deep. None of the brass hardware says COACH and COACH is no where on the outside or inside of the tote except on the creed and the fobs.
Item: COACH 15982 HAMPTION BURGUNDY MULTI HAIRCALF/SUEDE PWK TOTE LEATHER STRAPS $898+
Listing No. 262753292244
Seller: serroka1
Link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/COACH-15982-HAMPTION-BURGUNDY-MULTI-HAIRCALF-SUEDE-PWK-TOTE-LEATHER-STRAPS-898-/262753292244?hash=item3d2d510fd4:g:xMsAAOSwwo1XfZjJ&nma=true&si=Gja1GpG9AxruS2QOBcTsuIbwFkg%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
Comments: Seller has over 1,000 positive feedbacks. Hampton is misspelled in the title, but that could be an accident. Purse sold for $675 on ebay. Buyer has not left feedback. A search on the UPC only comes back to this auction.
Thank you!!!

I'd just like to add a couple of comments to what Hyacinth posted, none of which is an authentication.

1. You said you haven't been "able to authenticate it." Unless you are an expert on the intricacies of Coach, self-authentication can be dangerous. You can err in either direction assuming a fake is genuine or calling an authentic bag fake. There are plenty of fakes with seemingly "correct" serial and style numbers.

2. You said, "None of the brass hardware says COACH" -- Generally, the more "Coach" is plastered on the hardware, the more likely the bag is fake! The counterfeiters love marking various parts of the bag and hardware with the brand name.

3. You said, "COACH is no where on the outside or inside of the tote except on the creed and the fobs" - that's not uncommon; see #2 above

Again, without seeing YOUR bag, we can't authenticate it but I wanted to clarify what seemed like a few misconceptions.

 

[BeenBurned]

I'd just like to add a couple of comments to what Hyacinth posted, none of which is an authentication.

1. You said you haven't been "able to authenticate it." Unless you are an expert on the intricacies of Coach, self-authentication can be dangerous. You can err in either direction assuming a fake is genuine or calling an authentic bag fake. There are plenty of fakes with seemingly "correct" serial and style numbers.

2. You said, "None of the brass hardware says COACH" -- Generally, the more "Coach" is plastered on the hardware, the more likely the bag is fake! The counterfeiters love marking various parts of the bag and hardware with the brand name.

3. You said, "COACH is no where on the outside or inside of the tote except on the creed and the fobs" - that's not uncommon; see #2 above

Again, without seeing YOUR bag, we can't authenticate it but I wanted to clarify what seemed like a few misconceptions.

For the record regarding the comparison listing that was posted, while I'd like to see a better creed picture, I don't see any problems with it.

It appears that they added the HAC logo to the creeds and in order to fit it, they needed to squish the creed text. Note that the first two pictures are G1093 with HAC and #3 is the same month/year/plant but without the HAC logo.

 

[MagdalaWalker]

It's IMPOSSIBLE to authenticate anything based just on a photo of a different item. We need photos of the actual bag in question. Please read Post number One in this thread for more details and for what areas of the bag we need to see.

But the fact that except for the Ebay listing, all the links found using that style number lead to 3rd-party "enablers" who collect and post links to dozens of listings, and to one site located in China, bagsok DOT com, that's a known fakes-selling site doesn't give me a lot of confidence in that Ebay listing.

Another big red flag in the Ebay listing is the way the creed statement is positioned inside the stamp. Other details don't look like anything I've ever seen used on a Coach before. The other ones I have pictures of with the Carriage logo from exactly the same time period also show other differences in the stamping and the general details.

If I had to put money on it, I'd say Fake, either Chinese or Filippino, and I'd be willing to make a VERY large wager on that. It may not even be a copy of a real Coach style.. And that's just for the one that was listed on Ebay. I don't want to go into more detail because fakes makers read this forum too and we're getting tired of telling them what's wrong with their fakes so they can just make them more accurate and scam more buyers.

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Thank you! I have my own photos now, but I'm right there with you. I had never seen anything like it. Even the patchwork bags from '05, '06 etc.. would have a patch with the signature C somewhere on it. Here are my pictures any way in case there is more input that I can tell my friend.

 

[Hyacinth]

For the record regarding the comparison listing that was posted, while I'd like to see a better creed picture, I don't see any problems with it.

It appears that they added the HAC logo to the creeds and in order to fit it, they needed to squish the creed text. Note that the first two pictures are G1093 with HAC and #3 is the same month/year/plant but without the HAC logo.
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What bothers me is this creed stamp I had in my files - same plant but 4 months earlier, and they didn't have to squish part of "Coach" to fit. AND they even managed to fit "Leatherware" into the cartouche.


Compare:


ETA - After looking at those new photos, the ones MagdalaWalker posted look ok, at least the creed matches the blue one in this post from my files. It's the bag in the Ebay Completed lising, the blurry pic, that looks wrong. None of the other creeds even the ones from OLDER dates have those three smaller letters under the Coach logo. Which also points out the dangers of trying to authenticate one bag by comparing or referring to pics of another one.

The Ebay seller seems honest, but the difference in the creed and even in the included paperwork (a "specialty product" care card in the Ebay one vs "Patchwork Collection" and "Suede Products" in the pics just posted) would give me cause for concern.

 

[BeenBurned]

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Thank you! I have my own photos now, but I'm right there with you. I had never seen anything like it. Even the patchwork bags from '05, '06 etc.. would have a patch with the signature C somewhere on it. Here are my pictures any way in case there is more input that I can tell my friend.View attachment 3581497 View attachment 3581498 View attachment 3581497 View attachment 3581498 View attachment 3581500 View attachment 3581497 View attachment 3581498 View attachment 3581500

I'm confident that the bag you've shown is authentic.

I think someone might have contacted the ebay seller requesting a clearer picture of the creed.

 

[MagdalaWalker]

I'm confident that the bag you've shown is authentic.

I think someone might have contacted the ebay seller requesting a clearer picture of the creed.

Thanks to both of you Hyacinth and BeenBurned! I had never seen this style. Any ideas about the O-Ring? It shows a line going around it. There is wear so a polished finish and the end of the O could have rubbed away, but I've never seen that happen on their O-Rings. My photos are so mixed up on here and duplicated. It is a close up photo of the O-Ring standing upright while coming out of the purple suede patch and the belted handle to the right of it.

 

[BeenBurned]

Thanks to both of you Hyacinth and BeenBurned! I had never seen this style. Any ideas about the O-Ring? It shows a line going around it. There is wear so a polished finish and the end of the O could have rubbed away, but I've never seen that happen on their O-Rings. My photos are so mixed up on here and duplicated. It is a close up photo of the O-Ring standing upright while coming out of the purple suede patch and the belted handle to the right of it.

If this is what you're referring to (pointed out by the arrow), that's normal. Those rings don't start out round; they bend and solder the metal to form a ring and that is the joint.

 

[MagdalaWalker]

If this is what you're referring to (pointed out by the arrow), that's normal. Those rings don't start out round; they bend and solder the metal to form a ring and that is the joint.
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Yay! That is what I was referring to. Thank you! I had read somewhere years ago that seeing the seam in the O-Rings meant bad quality and that Coach would never allow it to pass through inspection. I'm so glad you found what I was talking about in that photo Thank you again!

 

[BeenBurned]

Yay! That is what I was referring to. Thank you! I had read somewhere years ago that seeing the seam in the O-Rings meant bad quality and that Coach would never allow it to pass through inspection. I'm so glad you found what I was talking about in that photo Thank you again!

I noticed you also showed the YKK zipper in one of your pictures. You must have been reading some of the inaccurate authenticity guides filled with misinformation.

 

[Ravvie99]

Hello, ladies! Would you please take a look at these 2 thriftees? Thank you in advance [emoji846]

Item: Signature East West Duffle Bag
Seller: Salvation Army (in my possession)
Comments: why on earth is this called a duffle (if that's the correct name)?