Authenticate This COACH - **see first post for format**

[Vlad]

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[ClaudiaChinChin]

I'm not exactly sure how Overstock works but I think it seems to be similar to Amazon in that both seem to sell their own items but also allow independent sellers to sell items on the site. I believe your seller "rents space" on Overstock.

The bag you've shown in the pictures looks fine and you got lucky.

The thing that bothers me about that listing is that the seller doesn't use his own pictures of the actual item but instead, shows just one picture and that one is Coach's stock photo. When sellers do that, there's no way to authenticate (from the listing) because there's no way to know what the seller will send buyers. They could conceivably be showing the Coach picture but sending fakes (and there are many dishonest sellers who do that.)

Honest sellers on any site should always do the work involved and show their own pictures of the actual item(s) they're selling.

Thank you so much for your time and response! I feel better now.

 

[BeenBurned]

Hi
Bag item: Coach Kelsey Medium

Can someone help me Authenticate this bah. A friend of mine wanted to resell this bag to me. She said it is authentic. She doesn't have an ebay or anything.

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Hmm. I'm confused by this bag and would like to hear other opinions.

While I don't see obvious "issues" based solely on the pictures you've shown, I don't find evidence that style 36675 was made in a signature pattern.

Where did your friend purchase the bag? Are the pictures shown pictures that YOU took of the actual bag?

Again, @whateve and @Hyacinth , do you have opinions on this one? I realize the newer bags aren't necessarily your specialty but this is an aberration that you may feel comfortable commenting on.

 

[Hyacinth]

Hi
Bag item: Coach Kelsey Medium

Can someone help me Authenticate this bah. A friend of mine wanted to resell this bag to me. She said it is authentic. She doesn't have an ebay or anything.

I would really appreciate it if you can help me out.View attachment 3566433 View attachment 3566434 View attachment 3566436 View attachment 3566437 View attachment 3566438 View attachment 3566439

Hmm. I'm confused by this bag and would like to hear other opinions.

While I don't see obvious "issues" based solely on the pictures you've shown, I don't find evidence that style 36675 was made in a signature pattern.

Where did your friend purchase the bag? Are the pictures shown pictures that YOU took of the actual bag?

Again, @whateve and @Hyacinth , do you have opinions on this one? I realize the newer bags aren't necessarily your specialty but this is an aberration that you may feel comfortable commenting on.

I agree with BeenBurned, that style number was only made in all leather. Even if the shape and details were the same as the leather version, a Signature fabric version would ALWAYS have a different style number.

I also don't like seeing a wallet-type ID card insert included with the bag. Handbags don't have ID windows and I've never seen a genuine one with an ID card insert of any kind. We've seen a lot of fakes over the years where the crooks stick in fakes of every piece of paper ever used by Coach just to make their fakes more believeable, and that extra unrelated paperwork is always a red flag.

I'd definitely pass that one by.

 

[catthecurious]

Hi
Bag item: Coach Kelsey Medium

Can someone help me Authenticate this bah. A friend of mine wanted to resell this bag to me. She said it is authentic. She doesn't have an ebay or anything.

I would really appreciate it if you can help me out.View attachment 3566433 View attachment 3566434 View attachment 3566436 View attachment 3566437 View attachment 3566438 View attachment 3566439

Hmm. I'm confused by this bag and would like to hear other opinions.

While I don't see obvious "issues" based solely on the pictures you've shown, I don't find evidence that style 36675 was made in a signature pattern.

Where did your friend purchase the bag? Are the pictures shown pictures that YOU took of the actual bag?

Again, @whateve and @Hyacinth , do you have opinions on this one? I realize the newer bags aren't necessarily your specialty but this is an aberration that you may feel comfortable commenting on.

I agree with BeenBurned, that style was only made in all leather. Even if the shape and details were the same as the leather version, a Signature fabric version would ALWAYS have a different style number.

I also don't like seeing a wallet-type ID card insert included with the bag. Handbags don't have ID windows and I've never seen a genuine one with an ID card insert of any kind. We've seen a lot of fakes over the years where the crooks stick in fakes of every piece of paper ever used by Coach just to make their fakes more believeable, and that extra unrelated paperwork is always a red flag.

I'd definitely pass that one by.

I'm not an expert, but maybe the initial confusion comes from the mixed-up bag names. Model f36675 comes up on Google as Coach Kelsey Small, not Medium. And further googling brought me to the Coach Factory Outlet web page which is legit to my knowledge; if you scroll down this page, you'll see that the signature bag has model number f36625; f36675 is also present in all solid colors, as noted by BeenBurned and Hyacinth. It's shown in red, black and brown.

http://coachfactoryoutlets.blogspot.com/2015/11/the-coach-november-29-sales-event-2015.html

 

[Hyacinth]

Thank you all for confirming my suspicions about the strap - in the trash it goes!
I think the original strap was probably webbing like in Whateve's pic with a leather sliding shoulder pad, based on other online examples.

Yes, and you can easily replace it with a much better-looking and higher quality strap from any luggage or business bag accessory seller on Ebay, Amazon, or www.Mautto.com.

 

[Hyacinth]

I'm not an expert, but maybe the initial confusion comes from the mixed-up bag names. Model f36675 comes up on Google as Coach Kelsey Small, not Medium. And further googling brought me to the Coach Factory Outlet web page which is legit to my knowledge; if you scroll down this page, you'll see that the signature bag has model number f36625; f36675 is also present in all solid colors, as noted by BeenBurned and Hyacinth. It's shown in red, black and brown.

http://coachfactoryoutlets.blogspot.com/2015/11/the-coach-november-29-sales-event-2015.html

I never search for styles by name unless absolutely necessary when I can't determine the style number. I'm going ONLY by the style number on the white tag inside the bag, which is 36675, so there's no way a confusion over the name is going to affect my opinion.

ETA - And neither style even has the same strap mountings on the body of the bag as on the bag in question.
EATA - In fact the ONLY style Kelsey I can find with that kind of 2-layer brass-trimmed strap mounting is style 36181:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/AUTHENTIC-C...490740?hash=item41bb22bef4:g:~fUAAOSwo4pYUejA

and even then I can see tiny differences in the mountings. And the bag in question is definitely NOT a 36181, the C patterns are different sizes, and the ends of the straps are leather on one and brass-covered leather on the other. Granted, I didn't look at every single Kelsey on Ebay but there's enough of a sampling to make a solid comparison.
AND the bag in question has double-layer brass-trimmed mountings ONLY on the front according to the posted photos, the genuine bags have the SAME MOUNTINGS FRONT AND BACK.

The more I look, the more problems I find.

 

[BeenBurned]

I'm not an expert, but maybe the initial confusion comes from the mixed-up bag names. Model f36675 comes up on Google as Coach Kelsey Small, not Medium. And further googling brought me to the Coach Factory Outlet web page which is legit to my knowledge; if you scroll down this page, you'll see that the signature bag has model number f36625; f36675 is also present in all solid colors, as noted by BeenBurned and Hyacinth. It's shown in red, black and brown.

http://coachfactoryoutlets.blogspot.com/2015/11/the-coach-november-29-sales-event-2015.html

I never search for styles by name unless absolutely necessary when I can't determine the style number. I'm going ONLY by the style number on the white tag inside the bag, which is 36675, so there's no way a confusion over the name is going to affect my opinion.

ETA - And neither style even has the same strap mountings as on the bag in question.

I don't search style names either and was going by this picture that @Schnooky16 posted. That style number does NOT belong with that bag! (And this is a common issue with the close fakes we've seen coming from the Philippines, part of the reason why I asked where her friend got the bag.)

 

[Hyacinth]

I don't search style names either and was going by this picture that @Schnooky16 posted. That style number does NOT belong with that bag! (And this is a common issue with the close fakes we've seen coming from the Philippines, part of the reason why I asked where her friend got the bag.)

BB, check the just-added ETAs in my post.

 

[catthecurious]

@Hyacinth, @BeenBurned, the differences was not the point. I just wanted to find out if this model was ever made in signature material. And the fact that the old outlet page clearly shows that f36675 was all solid colors, but the signature style has number f36625, only brings more questions, confirming the suspicions about the bag's authenticity.

 

[sb2]

The pictures she posted look like 2 different bags when the front is shown and when the back is shown. No leather trim top or bottom on one side but on the other.

 

[BeenBurned]

Hi
Bag item: Coach Kelsey Medium

Can someone help me Authenticate this bah. A friend of mine wanted to resell this bag to me. She said it is authentic. She doesn't have an ebay or anything.

I would really appreciate it if you can help me out.View attachment 3566433 View attachment 3566434 View attachment 3566436 View attachment 3566437 View attachment 3566438 View attachment 3566439

Hmm. I'm confused by this bag and would like to hear other opinions.

While I don't see obvious "issues" based solely on the pictures you've shown, I don't find evidence that style 36675 was made in a signature pattern.

Where did your friend purchase the bag? Are the pictures shown pictures that YOU took of the actual bag?

Again, @whateve and @Hyacinth , do you have opinions on this one? I realize the newer bags aren't necessarily your specialty but this is an aberration that you may feel comfortable commenting on.

I agree with BeenBurned, that style number was only made in all leather. Even if the shape and details were the same as the leather version, a Signature fabric version would ALWAYS have a different style number.

I also don't like seeing a wallet-type ID card insert included with the bag. Handbags don't have ID windows and I've never seen a genuine one with an ID card insert of any kind. We've seen a lot of fakes over the years where the crooks stick in fakes of every piece of paper ever used by Coach just to make their fakes more believeable, and that extra unrelated paperwork is always a red flag.

I'd definitely pass that one by.

I never search for styles by name unless absolutely necessary when I can't determine the style number. I'm going ONLY by the style number on the white tag inside the bag, which is 36675, so there's no way a confusion over the name is going to affect my opinion.

ETA - And neither style even has the same strap mountings on the body of the bag as on the bag in question.
EATA - In fact the ONLY style Kelsey I can find with that kind of 2-layer brass-trimmed strap mounting is style 36181:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/AUTHENTIC-C...490740?hash=item41bb22bef4:g:~fUAAOSwo4pYUejA

and even then I can see tiny differences in the mountings. And the bag in question is definitely NOT a 36181, the C patterns are different sizes, and the ends of the straps are leather on one and brass-covered leather on the other. Granted, I didn't look at every single Kelsey on Ebay but there's enough of a sampling to make a solid comparison.
AND the bag in question has double-layer brass-trimmed mountings ONLY on the front according to the posted photos, the genuine bags have the SAME MOUNTINGS FRONT AND BACK.

The more I look, the more problems I find.

@Schnooky16 -- Are your bags coming from the same friend?

I noticed that you bought a "Longchamp" from "a friend" and it too was deemed as fake.
Your post: https://forum.purseblog.com/threads/authenticate-this-longchamp.890060/page-271#post-30927722
Authentication deemed it fake: https://forum.purseblog.com/threads/authenticate-this-longchamp.890060/page-271#post-30927762
^^^ That post is followed by you asking why it's fake and another authenticator adding comments.

Something is off here and I don't think we're getting all the information. But it has me questioning whether we (here on Coach) give out too much information about why items are fake.

Again, @Schnooky16 , where is your friend getting these bags?

 

[BeenBurned]

The pictures she posted look like 2 different bags when the front is shown and when the back is shown. No leather trim top or bottom on one side but on the other.

You are absolutely right! @Schnooky16 shows pictures of different bags.

 

[BeenBurned]

Where did your friend purchase the bag?

That style number does NOT belong with that bag! (And this is a common issue with the close fakes we've seen coming from the Philippines, part of the reason why I asked where her friend got the bag.)

AHA!!! I knew it!!

Check out picture #9 in this listing on a FILIPPINO website. Picture #9 is the FRONT of the bag shown in the first picture schnookie16 posted! Schnookie16 posted the BACK of that same bag!
https://www.olx.ph/item/authentic-coach-bag-ID7EhtV.html?p=274&h=db1e871391

This further confirms the issues with buying designer items from the Philippines. The bag is fake if you are a potential buyer, DO NOT PURCHASE!!

 

[BeenBurned]

As a caveat, if these bags (both the Longchamp and the Coach) are listed, they certainly will be caught, reported and removed as counterfeit and the seller who lists them risks their ebay account.

 

[Hyacinth]

The pictures she posted look like 2 different bags when the front is shown and when the back is shown. No leather trim top or bottom on one side but on the other.

Yep, the more you look, the more mistakes and shortcuts you find. That POS was NOT made by Coach. No way, no how. I hope she hasn't bought anything else from that friend.

Hey, gotta agree - there are AT LEAST 2 different bags in that set of photos.
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads/authenticate-this-coach.889527/page-1288#post-30950502

The LAST pic shows a style with the same brass-trimmed strap mountings front and back on the body of the bag. But the first pic shows a bag with different strap mountings. BUT - neither one is a style 33675 !!!

So who's taking or supplying the photos, and which bag are they selling? Is someone playing games and "borrowing" pics of 2 or even 3 different bags? The backgrounds are different too unless it's the same piece of furniture with the tissue or white background arranged slightly differently. WTH is going on? And has our OP disappeared after getting all that useful-to-counterfeiters information?