Ashley Graham - "plus sized" Sports Illustrated cover

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Singra said:
^ There's no white flag in mansplaining ;P
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I'm not trying to mansplain anything. I'm simply sharing my OPINIONS on this one person. I'm not saying I'm right and you're wrong. I'm honestly trying to discuss how models are seen in the public eye, and just cause this specific model is a woman and overweight, all of a sudden I hate women and I'm talking down to you guys. There have been people who have liked my posts, so obviously I'm not the only one who feels this way, yet I guess I'm the only one willing to discuss it.

Grace123 said:
And besides you won't want to waste your time trying to explain why every woman needs to 'real' model thin
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I've not once said that. I've said numerous times my comment apply only to Ashley, yet there seems to be a recurring theme that this is how I feel about all women. Again, let me be clear...my comments are about Ashley Graham.

berrydiva said:
I don't think the goal is to win or convince anyone but to tell a bunch of women what they should think/feel about Ashley. Their own personal experiences as women be damned because obviously as a man, there's a better understanding of how to woman more than women.
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Not at all. My goal is to explain how I feel about it and to possibly get into the a conversation about media's involvement in physical ideals and expectations, etc. Instead all you can seem to focus on is that I'm a misogynist. Which is amusing, cause even if I might have a strong opinion about this specific subject, I think we both know I'm far from a woman hater. But I know how you like to operate in discussions, so whatever. ;) If anyone cares to know what I think of women, they can easily look through my post history here.
I'm well aware of the pressures that women are under to look a certain way. I have no idea what that's like. All I can do is come at it from my experience with friendships in the modeling industry. I've never once said or implied I know more about women than women.

sdkitty said:
I don't know what his goal is but he's clearly not persuading anyone and is pissing people off. Sometimes you just have to throw in the towel even if it's just to say let's agree to disagree.
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I'd really hope no one is pissed off over opinions of a model that probably none of us have met. I'm certainly not upset about any of the replies I've gotten.
But sure....agree to disagree. :smile:
 
#632
Charles said:
I'm not trying to mansplain anything. I'm simply sharing my OPINIONS on this one person. I'm not saying I'm right and you're wrong. I'm honestly trying to discuss how models are seen in the public eye, and just cause this specific model is a woman and overweight, all of a sudden I hate women and I'm talking down to you guys. There have been people who have liked my posts, so obviously I'm not the only one who feels this way, yet I guess I'm the only one willing to discuss it.



I've not once said that. I've said numerous times my comment apply only to Ashley, yet there seems to be a recurring theme that this is how I feel about all women. Again, let me be clear...my comments are about Ashley Graham.



Not at all. My goal is to explain how I feel about it and to possibly get into the a conversation about media's involvement in physical ideals and expectations, etc. Instead all you can seem to focus on is that I'm a misogynist. Which is amusing, cause even if I might have a strong opinion about this specific subject, I think we both know I'm far from a woman hater. But I know how you like to operate in discussions, so whatever. ;) If anyone cares to know what I think of women, they can easily look through my post history here.
I'm well aware of the pressures that women are under to look a certain way. I have no idea what that's like. All I can do is come at it from my experience with friendships in the modeling industry. I've never once said or implied I know more about women than women.



I'd really hope no one is pissed off over opinions of a model that probably none of us have met. I'm certainly not upset about any of the replies I've gotten.
But sure....agree to disagree. :smile:
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I'm going to respond to make sure I'm clear. Many folks here explained why they don't care about some of the things that bother you about Ashley. It's fine that you have a strong opinion as other's have their opinion about her. You want folks on this thread to respect your opinion while you obviously are not respecting their opinion and in some cases experiences. But carry on with telling us how Ashley can make herself an acceptable role model in your eyes while ignoring the attributes other see that makes her a role model to some.

As a person who works out daily, constantly encourages women to pick up weights and advocates a healthy lifestyle, I have no issue with someone advocating to love yourself. Being healthy starts with the mental and not the physical. There are too many women in the fitness section of this board alone who have so many issues with what they perceive as defects about themselves or are overly obsessed with the number on the scale that it's mind-numbing and women are not encouraged to love themselves enough. No one is going to decide to live a healthy lifestyle, regardless of size, unless they first feel good about themselves.

There is a very valid reason there is a plus size modeling world and plus sized women should be allowed to feel good about themselves. Women are not stupid they know Ashley is overweight and know when they themselves are overweight; however if listening to Ashley advocate a better diet and encouraging exercise ignites a desire to do the same for themselves then that's an excellent first step. Once you take that first step, making the second is easier. What I won't do, however, is continue to perpetuate this position that women have to fit a mold at every age and every weight to please anyone else but themselves. She's too big to model, she's too old to wear that, eww she has cellulite, how can I get rid of these 5 stretch marks, she's a mother she should dress like one, nipples yuck.....the act of getting dressed in the morning is a stressful process for women and that's how they begin their damn day. Who can live like that?! Love your damn self enough to not give a ish about how others see you and start loving yourself enough to make yourself into what make you feel the best.

If you have an issue with that stay bothered while I twirl, take it up with your friends over at TRP and feel completely free not to quote me again.
 
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berrydiva said:
I'm going to respond to make sure I'm clear. Many folks here explained why they don't care about some of the things that bother you about Ashley. It's fine that you have a strong opinion as other's have their opinion about her. You want folks on this thread to respect your opinion while you obviously are not respecting their opinion and in some cases experiences. But carry on with telling us how Ashley can make herself an acceptable role model in your eyes while ignoring the attributes other see that makes her a role model to some.

As a person who works out daily, constantly encourages women to pick up weights and advocates a healthy lifestyle, I have no issue with someone advocating to love yourself. Being healthy starts with the mental and not the physical. There are too many women in the fitness section of this board alone who have so many issues with what they perceive as defects about themselves or are overly obsessed with the number on the scale that it's mind-numbing and women are not encouraged to love themselves enough. No one is going to decide to live a healthy lifestyle, regardless of size, unless they first feel good about themselves.

There is a very valid reason there is a plus size modeling world and plus sized women should be allowed to feel good about themselves. Women are not stupid they know Ashley is overweight and know when they themselves are overweight; however if listening to Ashley advocate a better diet and encouraging exercise ignites a desire to do the same for themselves then that's an excellent first step. Once you take that first step, making the second is easier. What I won't do, however, is continue to perpetuate this position that women have to fit a mold at every age and every weight to please anyone else but themselves. She's too big to model, she's too old to wear that, eww she has cellulite, how can I get rid of these 5 stretch marks, she's a mother she should dress like one, nipples yuck.....the act of getting dressed in the morning is a stressful process for women and that's how they begin their damn day. Who can live like that?! Love your damn self enough to not give a ish about how others see you and start loving yourself enough to make yourself into what make you feel the best.

If you have an issue with that stay bothered while I twirl, take it up with your friends over at TRP and feel completely free not to quote me again.
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Wow. A post from you with actual substance instead of name calling and outlandish assumptions. Finally.

Yet again, I said I think it's great she's advocating "loving yourself". I'm not sure why you continue to pick what you want from what I say, ignore the other things, and create a narrative that's not based on how I feel.
And I agree with what you're saying. Plenty of women, of all shapes, deal with pressure to look a certain way. I'm not denying that. I honestly believe we both want society to progress to a place where women can feel comfortable and happy in their bodies. We just have different ideas on how to get there.

For the people who want to know what TRP really is...here ya go:
https://un.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/
It's a subreddit full of insecure, immature, actual misogynistic, abusive pieces of $hit. The posters over there really do hate women. But you can continue to think I'm like those douches if you choose.
 
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As others have stated, and how I explained before, celebrities are just normal people who are better known than the rest of us. Because none of us are perfect, NONE of us can be role models for everything. Anyone who looks like they have their ish together in every aspect of their life is lying or putting forth a compelling illusion.

So, why can't Ashley Graham be the role model for body positivity? And someone else be the role model for healthy workouts? And someone else be the role model for a clean diet? And someone else be the role model for humanitarianism? Do you see where I'm going with this? NO ONE is perfect in every possible way. Not you and not me and not Ashley. Why do we (or you, as the case may be) expect more from her than we do of ourselves?
 
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I dont have any prob on how Ashley look. If she is happy with her body and doesnt want to change it, well good for her. But i do have concern on health related issues. Too much body fat isnt good for us, that's fact! However there s no guarantee thay skinny people are healthier too..
so im gonna stick with BMI and all, but let ashley be ashley, there s nothing wrong with having a role model who is not skinny (coming from somebody who is skinny)..
 
#642
She was on WWHL last night. I noticed that her face is not full or fat and she has good legs from the knee down. When she was sitting there you couldn't really tell she was a large woman. Of course when she models she does show her whole body sometimes but I really think she benefits from these features. A lot of women her size would have full faces and thick legs. Just my two cents.
 
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#643
Has anyone pointed out that her contract probably states that she needs to be a certain size? If she loses weight she is in violation of it. If she becomes a "normal size" she won't work.
 
#644
Cocoabean said:
Has anyone pointed out that her contract probably states that she needs to be a certain size? If she loses weight she is in violation of it. If she becomes a "normal size" she won't work.
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She wouldn't be a plus size model anymore she would just be a big girl that wouldn't have a typical modeling contract or a plus size modeling contract.
 
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