I also say this too... women are extremely critical of each other, and it seems we all have to live up to and match a certain standard and woe betide you if you do not. Women are far harsher on appearances than men are.
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Ashley Graham - "plus sized" Sports Illustrated cover
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I also say this too... women are extremely critical of each other, and it seems we all have to live up to and match a certain standard and woe betide you if you do not. Women are far harsher on appearances than men are.
Oh please. If we women were all sugar and spice, this sub-forum would resemble a morgue and most of us would be otherwise sat in front of the telly. Ain't none of us can claim to be Mother Theresa or assume the moral high ground. Least of all me 
In reference to their own gender? for example men don't pass the same level of judgement on another male body as much as a female criticizes a female body?
Over the years I've overheard male only discussion when they think no-one is listening and it can be just as harsh when it comes to judging a female body... holy hell, it makes me rethink lesbianism if that's a true reflection of what goes on behind closed doors.
It is more exaggerated to us on a forum like this because we're talking to each other in very particular circumstances that invites judgement. My experience in life has been that most female friends/family members are more supportive than critical and my general experience when interacting with boyfriends/male friends etc. is that they've always been more supportive than critical.
No, in regards to women. And no, not many, actually none of the men I know make comments on other men's bodies. Perhaps a passing one if there's something strongly noticeable. And of course female family members and friends are supportive of each other, as they should be. I am referring to online behavior. Particularly the picking apart of every tiny thing of women's appearances, eg, someone saying in the Kim thread 'ewwwwwww her toes are chubby!!!'
BMI is actually more accurate more for women and people who don't build muscle.
"the formula tacitly assumes low muscle mass and high relative fat content. It applies moderately well when applied to such people because it was formulated by focusing on them. "
In her case, it's a pretty good argument. I can guarantee you a doctor would want her to lose weight solely for health reasons.
Was only seeking clarification.
Nope I've never heard a man make a negative comment about another mans body in the way that it happens with women. That's pretty much the only thing I've never heard but I've heard plenty of negative comments from men and women online and in situations where they think they're not going to be held accountable or when they think noone's listening when it comes to female bodies.
In most social and public situations with strangers and friends my general experience has been that people of both genders are pretty polite, supportive and well behaved.
I agree with that. My mom put on a lot of weight about 15 years ago because of a thyroid condition and at her heaviest she was about Ashely Graham's size. The weight didn't start to affect her health in a way that needed urgent attention until she hit a certain age and then she was forced to take urgent measures. It's not only diabetes that is an issue with extra weight.
I'm signed up to an incentive based health insurance, you get money back for hitting all sorts of fitness goals and you have to go through a fitness test that includes blood tests each year to make sure you're on track. You also have to have an activity tracker because the fitness goals are organized according to heart rate zone. BMI is one of the criteria they use but it's not the most important thing. The fitness goals are easily achievable if you are at a moderate to good fitness but the targets are pretty demanding because the money back is only valuable if you hit every one. The whole scheme is connected to a gym so if you attend gym classes regularly you're often in the same class with people on the same scheme who are motivated to get their money back. There is a wide range of people with different body shapes, weights and age ranges, the vast majority are not skinny gym bunnies. I attend regularly and in all the years I've been there's never seen a super skinny person and I've never seen someone of Graham's size on a consistent basis. I've known a few people who start off at her size but they ultimately slim down a bit... not because the exercise causes them to lose weight but because (in their words) it's a massive PITA working out while carrying extra weight.
I think Graham is very beautiful, I would only have a problem with her size if she was used as a picture of what it is to be healthy and I would say the same for all those skinny models with zero muscle tone... because I think that's a bit of a grey area and that doesn't square with what I've experienced.
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I world never criticize her body if she were a random woman walking down the street, but I think if you choose to model, and make your body your product, you have to deal with analysis of it.
esp if you have a body like hers and have your a$$ sticking out of a thong...otherwise, she's beautiful..
Yup and we've all been guilty of it at one point or another. Even if you just keep your thoughts to yourself and don't verbalize it.
As I was saying on another thread where I was watching a movie that AJ was in, even though she has a lovely face her body is just terrible and I can't imagine how anyone can say she has a great figure. She is just a bag of bones. Hopefully it is just the way she is..
In my experience, unless a woman is wearing something super revealing or poorly fitting, no one really cares. I mean, sure, I might think "She's rather obese", but I'm not going to make it a point to voice that to my friends, nor have I heard my friends do that. Obviously I'm not privy to girl talk, but in mixed company it's not something discussed. The first sentence applies to men too