Are There Any Handbags NOT Made In China?

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I get why people want to buy goods from their own country to support their own economy, but what I don't get is why people assume that something made in China is necessarily bad and that a lot of people think it supports child labour and stuff

Like Designer_homme said, you get what you pay for, firstly you might be getting a bag that costs less than one produced in Europe. Due to the working culture in Asia, people work longer hours, but often for the same or a lesser wage, and so designers can cut costs that way. In France, which was pushing for a 35-hour working week a while back, you're not going to get that kind of "efficiency" and so with less volume produced, but still as many workers to feed, each bag will naturally cost more. It's one thing for a bag to be cheap simply because workers efforts cost less per bag, and it's quite another if the materials are actually worse. That said, of course I wouldn't deny that there are cheap products made of inferior materials all over the world. What I am trying to say is that cheap does not necessarily mean badly made.

And then we come to the question of worker's rights and such. It seems that if a worker is willing to work for what people in the U.S. might regard as pittance, there must be a reason behind it. Maybe it's because everything costs less in China, so their wage actually manages to support them adequately. Maybe it's because any other job in China would pay them something similar, so there's no point in being choosy. Maybe this job offers them a way out of the countryside, where even if people aren't poor, they live without many modern conveniences. These people aren't stupid, and nobody is pointing a gun to their heads - they might be making the best choice available. People can't just look at someone's life through their own eyes.

I'm all for people wanting to support their own country, but I guess it gets on my nerves if people make assumptions about what I guess was my ancestor's country too. Sorry for the rant.
 
I get why people want to buy goods from their own country to support their own economy, but what I don't get is why people assume that something made in China is necessarily bad and that a lot of people think it supports child labour and stuff

Like Designer_homme said, you get what you pay for, firstly you might be getting a bag that costs less than one produced in Europe. Due to the working culture in Asia, people work longer hours, but often for the same or a lesser wage, and so designers can cut costs that way. In France, which was pushing for a 35-hour working week a while back, you're not going to get that kind of "efficiency" and so with less volume produced, but still as many workers to feed, each bag will naturally cost more. It's one thing for a bag to be cheap simply because workers efforts cost less per bag, and it's quite another if the materials are actually worse. That said, of course I wouldn't deny that there are cheap products made of inferior materials all over the world. What I am trying to say is that cheap does not necessarily mean badly made.

And then we come to the question of worker's rights and such. It seems that if a worker is willing to work for what people in the U.S. might regard as pittance, there must be a reason behind it. Maybe it's because everything costs less in China, so their wage actually manages to support them adequately. Maybe it's because any other job in China would pay them something similar, so there's no point in being choosy. Maybe this job offers them a way out of the countryside, where even if people aren't poor, they live without many modern conveniences. These people aren't stupid, and nobody is pointing a gun to their heads - they might be making the best choice available. People can't just look at someone's life through their own eyes.

I'm all for people wanting to support their own country, but I guess it gets on my nerves if people make assumptions about what I guess was my ancestor's country too. Sorry for the rant.

Different Working Culture, Different Working Environment. So People Makes Society or Society Makes People? Korean has very strong nationalism in their culture, they always support their "Made In Korea" goods with pride. Fashion is actually a lucrative trade, they sure can affect the economy & wall street. Asia Market is a cash cow.

Anyway cool down, everyone is here to share their views & perspective.
 
I get why people want to buy goods from their own country to support their own economy, but what I don't get is why people assume that something made in China is necessarily bad and that a lot of people think it supports child labour and stuff



Like Designer_homme said, you get what you pay for, firstly you might be getting a bag that costs less than one produced in Europe. Due to the working culture in Asia, people work longer hours, but often for the same or a lesser wage, and so designers can cut costs that way. In France, which was pushing for a 35-hour working week a while back, you're not going to get that kind of "efficiency" and so with less volume produced, but still as many workers to feed, each bag will naturally cost more. It's one thing for a bag to be cheap simply because workers efforts cost less per bag, and it's quite another if the materials are actually worse. That said, of course I wouldn't deny that there are cheap products made of inferior materials all over the world. What I am trying to say is that cheap does not necessarily mean badly made.

And then we come to the question of worker's rights and such. It seems that if a worker is willing to work for what people in the U.S. might regard as pittance, there must be a reason behind it. Maybe it's because everything costs less in China, so their wage actually manages to support them adequately. Maybe it's because any other job in China would pay them something similar, so there's no point in being choosy. Maybe this job offers them a way out of the countryside, where even if people aren't poor, they live without many modern conveniences. These people aren't stupid, and nobody is pointing a gun to their heads - they might be making the best choice available. People can't just look at someone's life through their own eyes.

I'm all for people wanting to support their own country, but I guess it gets on my nerves if people make assumptions about what I guess was my ancestor's country too. Sorry for the rant.


I don't think there are assumptions that anything made in China is bad...just that it's amazing how much of the stuff we Americans buy is now made there, where it once was made HERE!


I'm pretty sure that Americans do ask for an honest wage and won't work for a "pittance" because they usually have a family to support. There are Unions to make sure that people are getting paid enough to put food on their tables and have health insurance and some semblance of retirement. (No union laboror is getting rich off their employers, I'd bet)

Companies realize that if they move their production out of the US to China, that will save big $$$. Unfortunately, that puts more and more Americans out of jobs and into unemployment lines. The rich get richer, because they are saving money on production; the poor get poorer because they have no job. It's all well and good for China that American companies have moved their production there, but it's a bad thing for most middle class Americans.

My husband is a Union worker; going on 25 years. We are barely scaping by, but we are in better shape than some. That's why this is starting to bother me.

I haven't seen anyone post about the quality of work done in China, that's not the problem as I see it.
 
I think quality of work depends largely on the QC of the label itself. LV puts a QC at every line to ensure quality work. So I won't be swift to see LV as "another Made in China product". What we should be wary is the cheaper homegrown brands from there. Ever since the milk products scare all over Asia, Made in China is now a nightmare. But I will still buy international labels that are made in Chinese factories.
 
I'm a tpf newbie (sorry, I seem to feel the need to preface my posts with that until I'm a little more comfortable here) but this is an issue that's been on my mind for a loooong time. I really really really try to avoid buying Chinese made goods for a lot of reasons. Yes, the quality can be just fine, but there are so many other reasons that I just won't buy stuff that's MIC unless there's no alternative. So, I look for handbags made in countries like Spain and Brazil - a little less expensive than Italy or France. Or, find Italian made bags on sale. BTW, the MK collection line of bags is made in Italy and the Skorpio tote is gorgeous and excellent quality. I don't know if ANY Francesco Biasia bags are still made in Italy. They used to be and were reasonably priced. One that I bought last year was made in Bulgaria. I was okay with that. Unfortunately, one that I bought off of Ebay in the fall came and yup, tag said MIC. GRRRR. I guess I can't count on FB anymore, either.
I'm glad to see some USA made brands posted here that I wasn't aware of; the Dean bags look really cool and so reasonably priced.
There's a seller on etsy whose bags I love, although I haven't bought one yet, but it's awesome to support the indie sellers. I hope it's okay to post a link to her shop here: http://www.etsy.com/shop.php?user_id=5456402.
I think I've rambled on enough now...:p
 
Hi Tresjolie,
I hear you about the expense of italian, but sometimes Marshalls/TJ Max has some great deals.

It's kind of scary buying indie bags...hers are cute, but I would be afraid to take the plunge and drop that much cash on something a bit unknown.I guess everyone has to start somewhere to build up a following, though?

If you love this line, perhaps start with a wallet and get the feel of quality & workmanship.
 
Hi Tresjolie,
I hear you about the expense of italian, but sometimes Marshalls/TJ Max has some great deals.

It's kind of scary buying indie bags...hers are cute, but I would be afraid to take the plunge and drop that much cash on something a bit unknown.I guess everyone has to start somewhere to build up a following, though?

If you love this line, perhaps start with a wallet and get the feel of quality & workmanship.


I've actually heard stories of fakes being sold at places like TJ Maxx, believe it or not. Could be totally untrue, but it seems that they can permeate every corner of the retail market.
I wouldn't hesitate to buy from etsy. I have had such good experiences there. It's such a positive environment and the sellers always seem willing to work with buyers to repair, make adjustments or customize items.
 
I've actually heard stories of fakes being sold at places like TJ Maxx, believe it or not. Could be totally untrue, but it seems that they can permeate every corner of the retail market.
I wouldn't hesitate to buy from etsy. I have had such good experiences there. It's such a positive environment and the sellers always seem willing to work with buyers to repair, make adjustments or customize items.


I'd rather buy from TJ Max or Marshalls where I can look over the workmanship of a bag and feel the quality (and return if in doubt)

Why wouldn't you hesitate buying online? Could it be you are a seller on Esty?

And what does any of this have to do with bags not made in China? Where are the bags you are promoting made?
 
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I'd rather buy from TJ Max or Marshalls where I can look over the workmanship of a bag and feel the quality (and return if in doubt)

Why wouldn't you hesitate buying online? Could it be you are a seller on Esty?

And what does any of this have to do with bags not made in China? Where are the bags you are promoting made?

Um, okayyy.
I brought up etsy as an alternative to buying handbags made in China, for those who don't want to or can't spend upwards of $700 for an Italian made bag. As for selling on etsy...I only wish I had the skills to whip up a fabulous leather bag. It'd save me a lot of $$$.
 
I'm a tpf newbie (sorry, I seem to feel the need to preface my posts with that until I'm a little more comfortable here) but this is an issue that's been on my mind for a loooong time. I really really really try to avoid buying Chinese made goods for a lot of reasons. Yes, the quality can be just fine, but there are so many other reasons that I just won't buy stuff that's MIC unless there's no alternative. So, I look for handbags made in countries like Spain and Brazil - a little less expensive than Italy or France. Or, find Italian made bags on sale. BTW, the MK collection line of bags is made in Italy and the Skorpio tote is gorgeous and excellent quality. I don't know if ANY Francesco Biasia bags are still made in Italy. They used to be and were reasonably priced. One that I bought last year was made in Bulgaria. I was okay with that. Unfortunately, one that I bought off of Ebay in the fall came and yup, tag said MIC. GRRRR. I guess I can't count on FB anymore, either.
I'm glad to see some USA made brands posted here that I wasn't aware of; the Dean bags look really cool and so reasonably priced.
There's a seller on etsy whose bags I love, although I haven't bought one yet, but it's awesome to support the indie sellers. I hope it's okay to post a link to her shop here: etsy.
I think I've rambled on enough now...:p

Amusing like soap opera.

What is Francesco Biasia well known for? Fur Bags. Affordable Fur where to find in this World? CHINA definitely. What's the most common & affordable fur? Rabbit Fur right? Where do they come from? CHINA that's where they are imported from. That is how you get a Luxurious Fur Bag at affordable price. Even if it is Made In Italy, i am sure parts of it are Made In China.

Your conclusion is advertising Etsy? Sorry to dampen your mood, i am sure the cheap, affordable bag you can get there with label Made In USA has part of it's material Made In China be it fabrics, Leather, threading, studs or zippers etc. Your rambling is indeed entertaining. Thanks for your suggestion, I would'nt consider bags on Etsy as Designer Bags but there are definitely a lot of creativity in handmade stuffs there. People who like them might get them but when it come to handmade stuffs as such, they are unique, imperfection are common that what makes it special, quality wise its subjective as there is no QC or standards in their manufacturing process or choice of material used for fabrication morever Seller or Maker are not professional neither recognised in the relevant trade. Pardon my ranting just my 2 cents worth of PERSONAL PERSPECTIVE.
 
I'd rather buy from TJ Max or Marshalls where I can look over the workmanship of a bag and feel the quality (and return if in doubt)

Why wouldn't you hesitate buying online? Could it be you are a seller on Esty?

And what does any of this have to do with bags not made in China? Where are the bags you are promoting made?

Bingo.

TJ Max, Marshalls, Macy or Nordstrom etc definitely trustworthy, at least they are reputable retailers with great customer service. Online retailers like Eluxury or Bluefly etc are also reliable as they accept return.

We are off topic...
 
personally, i just hate that americans are losing their jobs &companies just move to china to cut cost. they still charge us the same high prices but pay super cheap labor. that's not fair. i'm asian-american myself but i still think that we should keep jobs in the USA.
 
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