answers to AUTHENTICITY questions!!!
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Is it possible to have a genuine bag with an FP creed but with a dot on the "made in china" black tag?
I inspected the bag and everything looks real...?
I inspected the bag and everything looks real...?
I don't mean to drudge up an old issue, but I just want to add one thing to all of the spot on responses from you ladies. I think that you deserve huge thanks for the volunteer work that you do here. You are helping to fight organized crime and the brutal working conditions that are faced by many, including children, in these sweatshops. So, no, this is not a waste of time -- it is time well-spent on many levels.
Thanks very much! It's encouraging to know that people are realizing what the real cost of fakes is, not just to the US's economy but to countries and people on the other side of the world.
Thank you for taking the time to post this. It is nice to be appreciated! I like to think of myself as a crime fighter. :ninja:
TO EVERYONE WHO REPORTS FAKES TO EBAY, PLEASE READ:
Thanks to some research by Tetondeb and by Jed Winokur at the Coach Archives, it seems that some of the "Bean Bag" creeds that I've been insisiting are fake for a long time may actually be genuine.
Tetondeb has an example and an explanation from Jed in her current listings. Since I'm not the seller I'll post a link:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=261460269733&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT
The important part is "It is stamped "bean bag" and while visiting the Coach Archives in NYC, I asked about this. I was told that around the time of this bag's production, Coach made small bean bag paper weights as executive gifts. The head archivist stated that the stamp was likely left on the press and was used on bags before the error was corrected..."
It sounds logical in a Coach sort of way, and a lot of the details of the stamping and apparent dates of the bags involved seem to make sense. Where Coach's Quality Control was while this was going on would probably make interesting reading, but as we've said many times, "the most consistent thing about Coach is their inconsistency". Looks like we have more proof, as if we needed it.
There are still some proveable fakes with Bean Bag creeds, so please ask at the Authenticate This Coach thread before reporting ANY of them.
My deepest and most sincere apologies for anyone who may have had a genuine bag removed or disposed of. I'll try to get the various Guides updated as soon as possible. I'll also cross-post this at the Hall Of Shame and the Answers threads.
Thanks to some research by Tetondeb and by Jed Winokur at the Coach Archives, it seems that some of the "Bean Bag" creeds that I've been insisiting are fake for a long time may actually be genuine.
Tetondeb has an example and an explanation from Jed in her current listings. Since I'm not the seller I'll post a link:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=261460269733&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT
The important part is "It is stamped "bean bag" and while visiting the Coach Archives in NYC, I asked about this. I was told that around the time of this bag's production, Coach made small bean bag paper weights as executive gifts. The head archivist stated that the stamp was likely left on the press and was used on bags before the error was corrected..."
It sounds logical in a Coach sort of way, and a lot of the details of the stamping and apparent dates of the bags involved seem to make sense. Where Coach's Quality Control was while this was going on would probably make interesting reading, but as we've said many times, "the most consistent thing about Coach is their inconsistency". Looks like we have more proof, as if we needed it.
There are still some proveable fakes with Bean Bag creeds, so please ask at the Authenticate This Coach thread before reporting ANY of them.
My deepest and most sincere apologies for anyone who may have had a genuine bag removed or disposed of. I'll try to get the various Guides updated as soon as possible. I'll also cross-post this at the Hall Of Shame and the Answers threads.
I don't think any of the bags I've seen stamped with 'bean bag' have been of Coach quality. They've looked shoddy. This one you've linked to is stunning.
Wow, I got my money back on my bean bag. Luckily I haven't cut it up or disposed of it. The only other thing that doesn't look right is that the ring of the zipper pull is pewter colored. It is the same diameter as the ring on my authentic basic bag but a little thicker. It is unbroken all around so I don't think it could have been replaced. I really don't know whether to believe it is authentic or not. The thing that seemed odd about these bean bag creeds was that they seemed to have unique numbers, unlike most fakes that use the same number over and over.
I noticed that too, and have even seen a few with outlet stamps but wasn't sure if the stamps were genuine, or if someone had done a switch with a genuine bag for a refund.
I'm pretty sure now that the first two below are genuine. They have the extra-wide spacing between the words in the first and second lines especially between "A" and "Coach", they all have 3+4 format numbers starting with 0**- and are in the old font, usually with a few overstamping marks, and they all look exactly like the stamp on the 7214 Bean Bag Keyfob. The Coach logo is also a thinner font than bags usually had around 1990. Anything that doesn't have these exact details is probably fake. The word Leatherware IS on the genuine creeds but has often worn down or almost disappeared.
The first two are probably genuine, the third is a close fake, notice the size of the Coach logo and the word Leatherware compared to the others, plus the spacing in the first line. The fourth is the original Bean Bag Keyfob.
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wow, mine looks exactly like the authentic ones, same spacing and same cartouche. My number starts with 026, which is in between your two examples if they were done in numerical order by any chance.
Now I'm just wondering about the pewter ring, but I think I have seen pewter parts on authentic bags. I remember seeing them on the inside zipper pulls. I can't remember if I've seen them on the rings of exterior zippers.
The leather wrapping around the wristlet strap of this basic bag appears to be over a piece of metal. You can see some of the metal where the covering has worn away. I don't know if it should have worn away on an authentic bag, but my known authentic basic bag feels like metal in the same place.
I remember leaving behind at least one bag with a bean bag creed in a thrift store.