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Coach Serial Numbers

Serial numbers were introduced in the mid 70s, and every bag had its own unique serial number. These early serial numbers had 3 digits followed by 4 digits (101-9090). This changed to 4 digits followed by 3 digits in the late 80s (1010-909). In 1994 letters were introduced into serial numbers. The middle number in the first set of 3 digits indicates the year of manufacture (A7B-9990) = 1997. The serial numbers were usually hand-stamped and they used a small press with rotating wheels that they could advance to the next number in the series. Often numbers would be a bit uneven and a lot of times you can even see a horizontal spacer line or the edge of the next or previous number in the series.

(There are some early to mid 70's bags that have the Coach Creed and an obviously glued-on serial mark that was added to the bag after it was manufactured. You can see that the serial number was applied to a leather strip and then placed under the Coach Creed in these early purses. Sometimes the strip with the number would come lose or fall off leaving just a strip of bare leather where the number should be.)

The 7-number serials were phased out beginning in 1994, and replaced with an alphanumeric serial which had three digits representing the factory, year and season, and after the hyphen, the four digit code for the bag model. For example K4M-5130 would be a Station Bag (5130), made in 1994 (the number 4, in the first set). The K & M are factory and manufacturing codes. So every single Station Bag made in 1994 in that particular factory could have the identical serial number. And some popular bags were made in more than one factory so the same style number could have different prefixes on different bags.

Coach did NOT add the fourth digit in the serial prefix until it was necessary to prevent year repetition, in 2004.

Thus, the pattern goes like this: J4J = 1994, J5J = 1995, etc... then J0J = 2000, J1J = 2001, J2J = 2002, J3J = 2003, but then they go to four digits J04J = 2004, J05J = 2005, etc... So a bag made in 1996 would have a prefix of x6x-, but one made in 2006 would show x06x-.

In 2005 and 2006 even more codes were added although the year code is still in the same place in the sequence. Bags made just for the Factory Stores will now often have the letter F before the style number. Some bags such as the 2006 Legacy line can have as many as ten digits in the serial number, five on either side of the hyphen. And beginning in 2005 some style numbers began to include letters as well as numbers until Coach decided to expand the style number to five digits.

Thanks to all the posters at Ebay's Shoes And Purses forum and other boards who compiled all this great information!
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First and foremost, I would like to apologize if #1 this has already been addressed and #2 if its being posted in the wrong section -- but i've been analyzing and testing this out since reading her post, and the following serial # is on my sabrina: M0826-12943 ... and proudly I have determined that the 'M' is the factory code, '08' is the year and 12943 is the style # but what does the '26' represent following the '08'? LOL ive been driving myself nuts trying to figure it out. And some experts on here can determine what month it was released just by the serial number ... I was wondering how. Thanks in advance!
 
First and foremost, I would like to apologize if #1 this has already been addressed and #2 if its being posted in the wrong section -- but i've been analyzing and testing this out since reading her post, and the following serial # is on my sabrina: M0826-12943 ... and proudly I have determined that the 'M' is the factory code, '08' is the year and 12943 is the style # but what does the '26' represent following the '08'? LOL ive been driving myself nuts trying to figure it out. And some experts on here can determine what month it was released just by the serial number ... I was wondering how. Thanks in advance!

Actually M represents the month made (December). 26 is the factory code. Coach used the letters A-M (excluding the letter I) to represent the month the item was released. Hope this helps!!!
 
For anyone needing a Coach authenticated, here's a list of the kinds of pictures we need to see when an authentication request is posted at the Authenticate This thread. The most important areas we need to see are usually the first 5, especially the creed stamp and serial number.

The most important pictures for authenticating bags depend on the style and age of the bag, but in general are:

1- the entire creed stamp or patch and the serial number - use the Macro setting on your camera.

2- the allover pics of the bag - front, back, sides and inside including the lining to show any stamped or woven patterns. Also the entire inside and outside of wallets and checkbook covers.

3- the hardware, especially anything like clips, zippers, buckles, O- or D-rings with the Coach name stamped on them, the strap ends and buckles, and the inside pocket zipper and zipper pull

4- we expect most bags to have zippers stamped YKK even if the bags are fake, but a few fake YKK zippers can be spotted in a good clear close-up. Usually a pic of the zipper and the metal or leather zipper pull is better than an extreme close-up of the YKK or other zipper manufacturer stamp. And yes, there ARE other zipper manufacturers

5- all paperwork like price tags (both sides), receipts, other paper, metal or leather tags, "authenticity" or Care cards, and the dustbag if there was one

6- the top and underside of the turnlock, mainly on older bags

7- any unusually wrinkled or otherwise "off" areas on the bag especially on older leather bags

8- the metal "feet" on a bag if it has them

9- any areas on the bag with uneven, loose or doubled stitching or anyplace where the stitching doesn't look right. Also, if a bag has stitching in some areas that's elaborate and unusual compared to the average Coach, please take pics of those areas

10- and yes, the hangtag and the ball chain, although a hangtag by itself should never be used as proof of authenticity. A hangtag can be changed or replaced in 5 seconds and often hangtags on older bags have been lost or damaged.

Certain style bags may need pics of other specific areas. To really be sure that a bag is genuine can take about a dozen photos. We'll ask if we need to see more pics.


And please use the format from Page 1, post 1 by Greenpixie in the Authenticate This Coach forum, it helps us to search for specific sellers and their histories, and also to watch for relisted fakes that may have been reported and removed once already:

http://forum.purseblog.com/coach-shopping/authenticate-this-coach-535153.html

Please follow the following rules:

* Before you submit a request for authentication, please search this thread to make sure that the item has not previously been authenticated. This is not a thread to ask general questions about COACH, please refer to our main Coach forum for such information.
* This is a free service, but it is imperative that you help our authenticators by using the following format:

Item:
Listing number:
Seller:
Link:
Comments:

* If the bag in question is not on an auction site, please use the following:

Item Name (if you know it):
Link (if available):
Then attach any photos (all authentication must include photos.)
* Authenticators are not required to answer every request and it is their right to ignore a request that is not in the proper format.
* Please note that comments on price and condition are NOT permitted.
* Do NOT PM an authenticator or moderator to request authentication. Any and all such requests should be posted in this thread.

* Should one of your items be questioned in this thread, you are welcome to provide additional pictures or materials supporting its authenticity.
* Do not handle your disputes with other members in this thread but take your differences to Private Messages. Failure to do so can result in banning.
* Please utilize the "Quote" feature when responding directly to another post.

Disclaimer

All Authenticate This threads on tPF are meant to provide assistance to shoppers who are uncertain about the legitimacy and authenticity of designer goods. The evaluations posted by tPF's members are only opinions that stem from personal experiences as shoppers and collectors. They are not legally binding or professional authentications and are not to be treated as such.


For questions or suggestions, please do not hesitate to contact the forum administration via the forum's contact form: http://forum.purseblog.com/sendmessage.php.
 
A new number has been found on two different "classic" leather bags, and the style number doesn't fit either bag. One is an obviously fake Willis and the other is an apparently fake Nottingham Bag, sometimes listed as a Canterbury Bag, style # 9948.

ANY BAG WITH A SERIAL NUMBER OF G7D-8188 IS VERY POSSIBLY FAKE AND SHOULD BE AUTHENTICATED HERE AT THE AUTHENTICATE THIS COACH THREAD BEFORE BUYING OR LISTING.
 
Has Coach ever made a handbag where COACH is spelled completely? I've looked at Coach.com and haven't seen any but I saw someone with a purse where the name was completely spelled. She said it was a $800 purse.
 
Has Coach ever made a handbag where COACH is spelled completely? I've looked at Coach.com and haven't seen any but I saw someone with a purse where the name was completely spelled. She said it was a $800 purse.
Do you mean on the exterior pattern of the bag? In a word, the answer is "yes," but please post the question on the here and in the format requested on the first post of the forum.
http://forum.purseblog.com/coach-shopping/authenticate-this-coach-577470-59.html#post15180809
 
i just want to check does Coach make the inside zipper from anything other than leather,if yes can you please tell me what kind?

I'm not sure what you mean - do you mean the trim around the zipper? The zippers themsenves are either metal or plastic. The zipper pulls can be leather and some older bags will have metal pulls.
 
Once in a while a Coach bag shows up with a creed that begins "This is a Coach Bean Bag..." The regulars at Ebay's Shoes & Purses forum went through a lot of posts a few years ago trying to figure out where these were coming from. Many were obvious fakes, but a few were accurate enough to be genuine so we did some research.

Yes, there IS a real Coach Bean Bag. In fact if you look through Bunnymasseuse's keychain albums you'll see what it looks like - it's actually a leather pillow-shaped bag on a keychain, and it's heavy. But it's a keychain, not a bag:
http://forum.purseblog.com/coach-re...e-classic-pieces-here-292004.html#post7693320

We wondered if maybe some time in their dark, distant past, Coach might have had some sort of cross-promotion with the well-known U.S. seller of camping and outdoor gear and clothing, LL Bean, so one of the forum members checked. Unlike Coach, LL Bean actually seems to value their history and not only do they still have records going back to the 70s but they have employees still working there who were there in the 1970s. One lady took the time to check both and got back to us a few days later - no record of any collaboration between the two companies that she could find.

So either there was once a Bean Bag that no one at Coach knows anything about (we did contact Coach but never heard back) or some counterfeiter spotted a Bean Bag keychain and copied the creed without knowing what a bean bag actually is.

If you see any older bags with Bean Bag creeds, chances are very good that they're fakes. Some, like the first one, are pretty bad - all kinds of spelling, punctuation and spacing mistakes. Others like the third one are harder to figure out and may actually be genuine.
 

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I'm not sure what you mean - do you mean the trim around the zipper? The zippers themsenves are either metal or plastic. The zipper pulls can be leather and some older bags will have metal pulls.
hi...thanks so much for your reply..i meant the zipper pulls!have seen two bags at a used bags shop that have metal zipper pulls in shape of rings of ascending sizes...and the bags are not so old,maybe two to three years..can you help??thanks in advance!!
 
Hi all, hopefully I'm posting this in the right forum / topic - does anyone have a guide to what the manufacturing codes are for Coach bags? I just received a vintage coach bag...all indications are that it's real but I just want to make sure of one last thing.

The bag has the following registration code: G6C - 9755. Style #9755, when I google it, jives with the bag I've received. It appears the bag was made in June 1996 (and it has the appropriate wear and tear for a bag that age). But what does the C stand for??? It seems like it stands for where it was made, but I can't find a "registration code key" or something like that.

The creed says it was made in the U.S. Here's hoping C indicates a manufacturing plant in the U.S....
 
Hi all, hopefully I'm posting this in the right forum / topic - does anyone have a guide to what the manufacturing codes are for Coach bags? I just received a vintage coach bag...all indications are that it's real but I just want to make sure of one last thing.

The bag has the following registration code: G6C - 9755. Style #9755, when I google it, jives with the bag I've received. It appears the bag was made in June 1996 (and it has the appropriate wear and tear for a bag that age). But what does the C stand for??? It seems like it stands for where it was made, but I can't find a "registration code key" or something like that.

The creed says it was made in the U.S. Here's hoping C indicates a manufacturing plant in the U.S....

It does, I don't know which one though. A,B, C and D were the codes for the Coach plants in the US until Coach started outsourcing to Italy, Costa Rica, Hungary and other offshore locations and A (New York City) was the only US plant for several decades. Coach has never revealed which plants or countries used which codes, so it's something that some of us have had to figure out over time by looking at creed stamps. There are still some discrepancies though.

Remember, even fakes can have accurate serial numbers, so it's always best to have whatever you're thinking of buying authenticated before you bid or buy it. Even older bags are faked, and a clear photo of the creed stamp can be a huge help in figuring out if a bag's real.
 
hi...thanks so much for your reply..i meant the zipper pulls!have seen two bags at a used bags shop that have metal zipper pulls in shape of rings of ascending sizes...and the bags are not so old,maybe two to three years..can you help??thanks in advance!!

Some older bags have different-sized rings (the 2 on the ends are bigger than the others) on the inside pocket zipper pull, but most newer bags should have leather pulls. Without knowing the style numbers, I'd question any recent bags with multiple rings on the zippers - if I'm wrong, someone correct me, I'm not familiar with a lot of the newer bags..

A lot of resale shops are loaded with fakes and unless someone is unnaturally lucky or really experienced in recognizing fakes, they need to be really careful buying from resales, thrift shops, estate and garage sales, as well as the obvious fakes pushers at flea markets, purse parties and street corners. And any time you buy a bag from a legitimate brick-and-mortar resale store, make sure they'll refund your money if you find out it's fake.
 
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