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#1,591
BeenBurned said:
Since you said you bought the bag on ebay, please post the seller ID and link to the listing. (Also, authenticity questions should be posted on this thread:
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads/authenticate-this-coach.889527/

PLEASE WAIT FOR OTHERS.

I'd like to hear other opinions. I've tried to hunt down other listings of this bag but was only able to find Coach's Asian .com sites and Coach doesn't show creeds on the site.

I'm a little concerned. Although the style number seems correct for the bag it's on, I'm not sure whether the bag should have this type of serial number, i.e., prefix with date and plant codes and suffix with style number.

From what I've seen of the 1941 collection bags (and the dinky from that collection,) it should have an oddball creed with a prefix and suffix that isn't indicative of the style. The prefix on those bags should be an abbreviation of the name of the style.

And those I've found do NOT have a spelling error! Nor do they have the "R" trademark symbol under the serial number. There are differences in the stitching down the sides of the creed patch.

I'm seeing too many differences that worry me.

Here are a couple of examples and links to the listings.

1941 collection Dinky tea rose floral bag - http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-COACH-1...Y-CROSSBODY-LEATHER-HANDBAG-595-/332164789350
DK-20215 creed from above:
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1941 collection Saddle bag - http://www.ebay.com/itm/COACH-1941-...-23-STYLE-No-56620-HEATHER-GREY-/182417523177
SD-20115 creed from above:
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And for comparison purposes, I'm adding your creed picture:
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Coach has caused this problem too because a year or three ago they started putting "pretend" serial numbers in a lot of their special edition remakes, like the ones you've posted here. None of them had valid production codes in the month-year-plant format and many of them didn't even use the correct style number! I don't know which nitwit at Coach thought that was a good idea.

But now they're apparently trying to actually use valid serial numbers instead of made-up ones that some employee has pulled out of his or her lower brain. This was mentioned in a post about a month ago here:
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads...des-and-markings.738785/page-13#post-31149378
and included photos of a Western Rivets Edie (I don't know if that's a 1941 style or not) with an apparently accurate serial number that I'm re-posting below. The original poster Popartist said "Just want to mention that Coach has put back the serial numbers on the creed (or story patch as they're calling it now) instead of the well-hidden cloth tag, on the FP boutique bags as of the 2017 pre-Spring line. Both my Western Rivets Edie 31 (pre-Spring 2017), as seen here, and my just-released, just-purchased Swagger Shoulder Bag (Spring 2017) both have the serial number on the creed. The Edie date code is J16 and Swagger shoulder is a later 16."

I don't think we can compare the creeds and serials on the new bags coming out after late 2016 to the earlier bastardized serials from a few years ago. We need to start building a whole new database of VALID serial and creed photos where the correct production codes and style numbers are used for the serial number - unless, of course, Coach messes that system up AGAIN.

This is a different plant code than the appliqued pink Dinky asked about a few posts above this so it may not be a valid comparison but until we get more photos of creeds and serials of bags recently bought directly from Coach whose authenticity is beyond doubt, we're kind of working blind.

AND I'M URGING - BEGGING, IN FACT, THAT ANYONE POSTING REVEALS OF NEW PURCHASES MADE DIRECTLY FROM COACH OR ONE OF THEIR RETAIL PARTNERS TO PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE INCLUDE CLEAR READABLE PHOTOS OF THE CREEDS AND SERIAL NUMBERS IN THEIR PURCHASES ALONG WITH PHOTOS OF THE OUTSIDE OF THE BAGS! We REALLY need those new photos if we're going to be able to use the creeds and numbers to spot fakes like we used to. And we really need to be sure that the bags are authentic and were bought directly from Coach.

57660_Western Rivets Edie 31_J1680-57660 pre-Spring 2017-a.jpg 57660_Western Rivets Edie 31_J1680-57660 pre-Spring 2017-c.jpg
 
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#1,592
That was me - the Edie is not a 1941 bag, but in subsequent discussion of this, I did check out a couple of current season 1941 bags in store (think I specifically mentioned a tea rose Rogue) and they also had proper format serial numbers on the Creed.
 
#1,593
popartist said:
That was me - the Edie is not a 1941 bag, but in subsequent discussion of this, I did check out a couple of current season 1941 bags in store (think I specifically mentioned a tea rose Rogue) and they also had proper format serial numbers on the Creed.
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Thanks - we hope posters will start including creed photos again with their reveals.
 
#1,595
Just a reference for the authenticators, I do see the misspell of the word "number" in the floral dinky that is on display at my local coach store. In order to prove whether the bag is geniune or not, why not just go into a coach store and check the bag ?
 
#1,596
Whateverwillbe said:
Just a reference for the authenticators, I do see the misspell of the word "number" in the floral dinky that is on display at my local coach store. In order to prove whether the bag is geniune or not, why not just go into a coach store and check the bag ?
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Do you have a picture of the spelling error you saw? Without a picture, it's impossible to answer your question.

Coach rarely makes spelling errors on creeds but it does happen. A few pages back, post #1583 Feb 10, 2017 shows several examples of a legitimate Coach spelling error. But again, that type of mistake is extremely rare.
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads/answers-to-authenticity-questions.94198/page-106#post-31059041

As for going into a Coach store to compare, comps aren't always definitive. Sometimes it can take expert eyes and a lot of experience in recognizing differences when the fakes are very close.

As an example of how difficult it is to compare unless you know what you're looking for is shown in my post below. Look carefully at the pictures showing examples.
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads/authenticate-this-coach.889527/page-1419#post-31206137

EDITED TO ADD THE FOLLOWING:
Are you referring to the bag discussed starting with this post?
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads/answers-to-authenticity-questions.94198/page-106#post-31209466
and here:
https://forum.purseblog.com/threads/authenticate-this-coach.889527/page-1421#post-31210405

If you saw the bag at a Coach store with the same mistake being discussed, it could very well be a legitimate mistake.

But unless we have actually seen pictures and know that the bag was seen and/or purchased from a Coach store, there isn't (yet) enough evidence to know whether the bag posted by Cytheria was authentic or not.

Until new evidence is presented to prove authenticity, we can't deem it authentic although it's not necessarily fake either.
 
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#1,598
Dear authenticators, Coach has now has created a new confusion for buyers who follow the eBay guide to fake serial numbers. In the guide where it says "any serial number with two letters and a hyphen..." Well Coach is doing exactly what the counterfeiters were doing in the past by putting DK-##### or RG-#####. I just saw a buyer cancel the transaction because of this. I think the guide needs to clarify that it doesn't apply to the newest bags. Maybe specify that it only applies to all bags before 2016? I'm not sure exactly when Coach started this mess on the new Creed patches.
@whateve @Hyacinth @BeenBurned
 
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#1,599
houseof999 said:
Dear authenticators, Coach has now has created a new confusion for buyers who follow the eBay guide to fake serial numbers. In the guide where it says "any serial number with two letters and a hyphen..." Well Coach is doing exactly what the counterfeiters were doing in the past by putting DK-##### or RG-#####. I just saw a buyer cancel the transaction because of this. I think the guide needs to clarify that it doesn't apply to the newest bags. Maybe specify that it only applies to all bags before 2016? I'm not sure exactly when Coach started this mess on the new Creed patches.
@whateve @Hyacinth @BeenBurned
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Excellent points. Although the changes in serial numbers have been discussed in the past and stated many times that "inconsistency" is Coach's middle name, it's probably a good idea to update Salearea's guides as well as updates on TPF.

Another revision that is appropriate is this one which states "there are a LOT of "coach" keychains on ebay that are cartoons/disney characters/hello kitty/etc....ALL fake. coach never affiliated themselves with those brands." (Post #56)

https://forum.purseblog.com/threads/answers-to-authenticity-questions.94198/page-4#post-2369345
^^^ That post is no longer accurate either.

Part of the problem is that this thread has been updated over the years as further information comes to light but the obsolete info is still out there.
 
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#1,600
BeenBurned said:
Excellent points. Although the changes in serial numbers have been discussed in the past and stated many times that "inconsistency" is Coach's middle name, it's probably a good idea to update Salearea's guides as well as updates on TPF.

Another revision that is appropriate is this one which states "there are a LOT of "coach" keychains on ebay that are cartoons/disney characters/hello kitty/etc....ALL fake. coach never affiliated themselves with those brands." (Post #56)

https://forum.purseblog.com/threads/answers-to-authenticity-questions.94198/page-4#post-2369345
^^^ That post is no longer accurate either.

Part of the problem is that this thread has been updated over the years as further information comes to light but the obsolete info is still out there.
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I contacted Daria48 so she could add a note to her Fakes Guide but she got back to me and told me that she's been trying to edit that guide for hours and none of the changes go through even after trying 3 different browsers, and that she's worried that the entire guide will just vanish if she keeps trying. I don't want to put Salearea through the same kind of frustration. If Daria can get her guide corrected, then I'll try to get in touch with Salearea.
 
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#1,601
Hello everyone, I'm hoping this is the right area to ask this question. I happened upon a used Coach Court bag with the serial number J1073-09870, manufactured in China. The numbering system checks out, with XXXXX-XXXXX being standard for that year.

Based on the guides I've read, the bag was manufactured in 2010. However, the interior of the bag was unlined and the creed is stamped onto the interior leather (what we would expect in an earlier vintage). From what I understand, bags around 2010 are lined, with creeds stamped on leather rectangles that are sewn in.

I was told that it was purchased from a Coach store, but it seems suspect. When I googled the serial number, no results turned up either. Is the bag legitimate? I understand creeds can vary a lot and wanted to check in and see if I passed judgment too quickly. Thanks!
 
#1,602
cerasifera said:
Hello everyone, I'm hoping this is the right area to ask this question. I happened upon a used Coach Court bag with the serial number J1073-09870, manufactured in China. The numbering system checks out, with XXXXX-XXXXX being standard for that year.

Based on the guides I've read, the bag was manufactured in 2010. However, the interior of the bag was unlined and the creed is stamped onto the interior leather (what we would expect in an earlier vintage). From what I understand, bags around 2010 are lined, with creeds stamped on leather rectangles that are sewn in.

I was told that it was purchased from a Coach store, but it seems suspect. When I googled the serial number, no results turned up either. Is the bag legitimate? I understand creeds can vary a lot and wanted to check in and see if I passed judgment too quickly. Thanks!
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We can't authenticate the bag without pictures but the bag could well have been genuine.

Coach remade some of the classic bags with the same details as the older versions. When they stamped the creeds, they added a zero to the front of the style number to conform with the 5-digit style numbers currently being used.

ETA: In fact, here's a similar discussion from over a year ago from ebay. In that case, the bag was a 2014 bag, not 2010 as is the one you're questioning:
https://community.ebay.com/t5/Fashi...ate-Coach-Court-Bag-E1473-09870/td-p/25552167

If you're interested in the bag, post pictures on the AT Coach thread.
 
#1,603
Hello everyone, I hope your summer is going great.
I want to ask a quick question, then if needed I'll go to the Authenticate thread after I have the time to take pictures.
My question is if on Coach Vintage long straps, those ending on the lobster claw clips, the underside of the strap has even been slit on the center all the way along the strap. TIA
 
#1,604
WishingonaCoach said:
Hello everyone, I hope your summer is going great.
I want to ask a quick question, then if needed I'll go to the Authenticate thread after I have the time to take pictures.
My question is if on Coach Vintage long straps, those ending on the lobster claw clips, the underside of the strap has even been slit on the center all the way along the strap. TIA
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No, I've never seen this on Coach straps. I don't think I've ever seen it on any Coach strap, new or old.
 
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