Adele

[ByeKitty]

Umm... there seem to be 2 camps here:


- One camp says people shouldn't always say what they think (even if it's as obvious as "Adele is fat") because it's unnecessary and it might be hurtful, and it would generate a lot of drama.

- The other camp says people should be able to say whatever they think, and a dramatic response would be unnecessary.


I tend to think (I know I'm making a generalization here) most Americans are from the first camp, and most Europeans are from the other.
Maybe it's a cultural thing?
I know the word "fat" is perceived much more dramatically in the US. Its (underlying) meaning might even be a little different.

 

[AChanelADay]

do people talk about her weight a lot? i mean yeah she is fat but she's not dancing around like beyonce or something. she has said, "i make music for the ears, not to be viewed."

adele probably doesn't give an F. she is probably eating bonbons in bed chillin

 

[BagOuttaHell]

I have been hearing about it more and more. She tweeted a head shot recently and Us Mag noted at how much weight she supposedly lost. I personally couldn't tell.

When you are known for looks, people will question your talent. And when you are known for talent, people will question your looks. It sucks for the latter.

 

[knics33]

I have been hearing about it more and more. She tweeted a head shot recently and Us Mag noted at how much weight she supposedly lost. I personally couldn't tell.

When you are known for looks, people will question your talent. And when you are known for talent, people will question your looks. It sucks for the latter.

Very true - it's never enough for people to just be what they are.

And I agree ByeKitty - there definitely seems to be some cultural differences on this subject.

 

[ms-whitney]

This is true...but she is overweight, and it is hard to not see her and not see that she is overweight. I look at Angelina Jolie and think she is too thin and that is the first thing I notice about her and say about her. This is how society has manipulated our minds! We have become so body conscious.

annoying isn't it?

i hate when people see a skinny chick and automatically go, 'eat a burger' or something. its gotten to a point i think for this one girl i know, where she'll go 'omg, i want to gain weight' im too skinny. i eat so much but gain no weight. in reality she eats only a little of the burger and fries she orders. or she buys cookies and eat one, while shoving the rest into my hands (don't get me wrong this is one of the reasons why i hang out with her)

but she doesn't do this just around me, she does it around everyone.

i think one too many people told her or remark on her weight where now she has this self-defense mechanism..where she talks about her damn weight and tries to show she 'eats' all the time

it makes me just as sad when i see a skinny chick and people go, 'she needs to eat a burger'

why is that okay, but saying someone is fat and probably should eat less (not that i'm for this either) not okay?

isn't that a double standard?


just reminds me of the time i went to auntie annies' wanting a pretzel dog and pretzel and the girl in front of me was ordering the same; the two guys she was with proceeded to tease her like, damn, thats a lotta food and she had defended herself because it was around 3pm and she ate nothing all day.

some people no matter what they eat, won't gain weight (my sister is one of them..though her tummy gets a little pouchy right after, the next day or so its gone)

and there are some people who no matter how little or healthy they eat, will stay at a certain size.

people are born with different body types and we should just state it for what it is

ETA- by state i mean, you can't change the body type, so you should accept it for what it is, too skinny or skinny, or a little fat or fat or just plain big. and rather then comment on peoples' eating habits like you're their mom/dad; you should just focus on yourself and let them be.

 

[limom]

Umm... there seem to be 2 camps here:


- One camp says people shouldn't always say what they think (even if it's as obvious as "Adele is fat") because it's unnecessary and it might be hurtful, and it would generate a lot of drama.

- The other camp says people should be able to say whatever they think, and a dramatic response would be unnecessary.


I tend to think (I know I'm making a generalization here) most Americans are from the first camp, and most Europeans are from the other.
Maybe it's a cultural thing?
I know the word "fat" is perceived much more dramatically in the US. Its (underlying) meaning might even be a little different.

You are right imo.
In the US, people are more tolerant of sizes differences and are more sensitive to criticism regarding sizes.

 

[legaldiva]

Karl's an honest b*tch. I can respect that. He just says out loud what other people say behind backs.
I'm so over celebs (and people in general) placating. They asked his opinion on women music stars, he said "The thing at the moment is Adele. She is a little too fat, but she has a beautiful face and a divine voice." It's his honest opinion. If there is one thing you can count on with Karl it's that he will give you an honest opinion. That's what I want to hear in an interview. He said a lot of controversial stuff in that interview, doesn't bother me at all. Call it like you see it. Don't give me these run of the mill, politically correct, cookie cutter responses and then talk sh*t when the recorder goes off like 95% of the world does.

I love me an honest b*tch. Adele is overweight. So are so many people, and we continue to look the other way and avoid discussing or addressing this very, very serious health issue because we don't want to hurt anyone's feelings.

We need to get really honest about this. It's not a vanity issue at all, but we've made it one to avoid addressing the public health issue that it really is.

 

[DC-Cutie]

I love me an honest b*tch. Adele is overweight. So are so many people, and we continue to look the other way and avoid discussing or addressing this very, very serious health issue because we don't want to hurt anyone's feelings.

We need to get really honest about this. It's not a vanity issue at all, but we've made it one to avoid addressing the public health issue that it really is.

voice of reason... Thank you.

 

[admat97]

This is a prime example of you should think before you speak. We have always taught our children that we don't have to say everything we think. Can you imagine a world that everyone thought out loud? I'd seriously be in BIG trouble.

But just out of curiosity...would it have been more PC if he used the word "heavy" instead of "fat"?

 

[gsmom]

It's not a "vanity issue"? Are you kidding me? This is Karl Lagerfeld we are talking about, not Dr. Oz.

 

[AChanelADay]

I love me an honest b*tch. Adele is overweight. So are so many people, and we continue to look the other way and avoid discussing or addressing this very, very serious health issue because we don't want to hurt anyone's feelings.

We need to get really honest about this. It's not a vanity issue at all, but we've made it one to avoid addressing the public health issue that it really is.

Nobody cares about her health. Karl is not commenting on her supposed organs, heart, blood vessels, or arteries. He is talking about her looks.

When people comment on fat people they're not going "oh i just want you to look better bc I am truly concerned for your future medical bills." they do NOT do it for that reason. They just want to talk.

When I call someone fat I could give a flying possums rump about their "health."

 

[legaldiva]

My point was about the connotation we give to the word "fat."

Karl Lagerfeld said Adele was "a little too fat." My comment above is directed at the people who immediately become offended, and demand that Chanel as a brand suffer. I just think it's giving Lagerfeld's general, honest observation too much power, and assuming that Adele should be offended, or feel hurt.

Someone else pointed out earlier in this thread that when you observe someone to be "too skinny" that the response is not founded on such outrage. That's my point. Why be outraged? It's the truth. The Western world is drowning in its own flesh and I find that incredibly disturbing. My point was that the outrage deflects what could be a good debate about public health.

 

[GOALdigger]

I love me an honest b*tch. Adele is overweight. So are so many people, and we continue to look the other way and avoid discussing or addressing this very, very serious health issue because we don't want to hurt anyone's feelings.

We need to get really honest about this. It's not a vanity issue at all, but we've made it one to avoid addressing the public health issue that it really is.

Not saying that you are using this as an excuse. But a lot of people use this HEALTHY excuse as a reason to comment on someone's weight. You can be at a larger weight and be perfectly health. Most people just need to fess up and say you want a person to lose weight cause it looks better to you.

 

[gsmom]

My point was about the connotation we give to the word "fat."

Karl Lagerfeld said Adele was "a little too fat." My comment above is directed at the people who immediately become offended, and demand that Chanel as a brand suffer. I just think it's giving Lagerfeld's general, honest observation too much power, and assuming that Adele should be offended, or feel hurt.

Someone else pointed out earlier in this thread that when you observe someone to be "too skinny" that the response is not founded on such outrage. That's my point. Why be outraged? It's the truth. The Western world is drowning in its own flesh and I find that incredibly disturbing. My point was that the outrage deflects what could be a good debate about public health.

And I don't think it's necessarily a poor subject to discuss. I just think it's not relevant (and maybe a bit of a red herring) in *this* discussion.

I don't think the Chanel brand will suffer or should suffer. If they can survive a Nazi sympathizer and an anti-semite, they will certainly survive this pithy little nuisance calling Adele "fat."

 

[GOALdigger]

Nobody cares about her health. Karl is not commenting on her supposed organs, heart, blood vessels, or arteries. He is talking about her looks.

When people comment on fat people they're not going "oh i just want you to look better bc I am truly concerned for your future medical bills." they do NOT do it for that reason. They just want to talk.

When I call someone fat I could give a flying possums rump about their "health."

I get so tired of people saying that. It's more of a vanity than a health thing. People need to be honest.