What’s your unpopular Hermes opinion?

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My 'unpopular opinion' may I feel tend to be the opposite.
I actually deplore the new-ish (I've noticed it more post-pandemic) Hermes sales model of 'upselling' and advising clients that they have not spent enough to 'qualify' for a bag offer.
I find it very distasteful-
I realise that building a profile based on loyalty and and buying across various catagories has been an integral part of their sales model for some time BUT I feel that in the last year the upselling and push to spend spend spend has become more agressive to the point of belittling customers by saying things like "you have'nt spent enough"..well maybe they've spent what they can comfortably afford.
Or maybe they've just spent money on what they love or WANT to own.
Having just read the 'Hermes relationship' thread and seeing posts from members lamenting their Sales assistants and leaving the brand (granted one was due to unforseen circumstances) I wonder if this pressure to upsell and make clients spend more is having a negative impact on the staff and causing the SA's with integrity to leave the company.
I speak as someone who works in sales and has recently left a company after 12years because I did'nt agree with my company's more recent focus on numbers being more important than loyalty and relationship building-4 of my team have left in the past year (long term staff members) to join other companies because we cared about our clients and our relationships with them and did'nt just want to push push push them to buy in order to make our targets.
My own SA left Hermes this year and I have'nt found a replacement because I want shopping to be relaxing, sociable & fun!
I find life pressured enough-I dont want to feel pressure when I'm spending my hard earned cash on 'stuff' I dont really need.
I feel sad the way that the popularity of the brand and leathergoods in particular seems to be creating a toxic shopping and selling enviroment.
I hope this post makes sense-the client/sa relationship is something I care deeply about and the fact that I want to leave a shop feeling happy I wouldnt want to leave a shop feeling 'not good enough' or that I'd been pressured into buying something I did'nt really love.

Whilst there are standard sales techniques of upselling, story-telling, suggesting add-ons etc (as is common throughout luxury) I think H staff training in upselling or suggesting add-ons must be the most inconsistent, random and unsuccessful (if they were trained in that way).

As an H client, I've always led the conversation in asking to see fine jewellery, RTW, hats etc. No one suggests a silk if I've come in to a store looking for a wallet. If I ask for a certain cw of a silk, often I'm told another store in London has one and off I go.

I'm sorry for your situation, that's indeed short-sighted of your former company, but all retail work to KPIs. As has been said in many threads, the higher performing H-stores get preferential treatment which in turn will make their clients happier. No SA/SM likes turning clients away or not being able to fulfill their wants. If an SA suggests something a client can buy as a viable alternative rather than letting him/her walk away empty handed, it's not upselling, the SA is trying to help the client.

IMO, I think H SA's leave H for many different reasons. Some because it's generally so full-on front of house, and more specifically some very demanding clients that literally treat SAs like servants. I've worked in a couture house and with high-jewellery so I know how even Vendeuse are treated, I cannot imagine the constant full-on throng of 'hungry' customers that flow into city H stores day after day. I wouldn't be surprised if quite a few suffered from burn-out. I also think some new SAs quickly find out it's not going to lead to the glamorous life they were hoping for.

Like most luxury houses, I think like you, H should spend a lot more time and effort training staff - and not just to maximize profits. There is for sure, so much waste of good sales people through lack of retention.
 
If an SA suggests something a client can buy as a viable alternative rather than letting him/her walk away empty handed, it's not upselling, the SA is trying to help the client.

I wouldn't be surprised if quite a few suffered from burn-out

💯 agree as to all. But, esp. both of these points :)
 
My UO. The desire for suspension of reality is why most shop at Hermes. The queues, the waiting, the frustrations are all preambles and delayed gratification until reality melts away. It's both trophy hunting and collecting art all at once.

It's like a reality-free zone, a respite, a sanitary away from reality. It's a theatre, an oasis, an alternative universe, where people go to experience the sensual pleasure of silk and leather, colours and reflection of light and shade, creativity, beauty and perfection. Even in the pre-loved market, H products are infused with the magic. It is about belief, but then so is everything.
So so so true, thus the let down when reality hits.

Edit to add: My purpose for my UO is not to be a Hermes cheerleader, but how I handle my expectations in light of my reduced spending and engagement with Hermes going forward. I try not to take anything as a personal affront if something does not go my way to protect my own expectations and sanity. However, I do agree, not all SAs can master the talent of delivering a luxury experience and meeting the client where they are.
 
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my UO: I think people overestimate the wishlist system. IMO, the people who spend more always get the bags faster, even in the past. Hermes is a firm, operating to maximize profit. The luxury industry has always been catered to more affluent clients, so I am surprised with how people think Hermes needs to be "fair". Of course, they can improve welfare by producing more bags, but they don't :D
 
Whilst there are standard sales techniques of upselling, story-telling, suggesting add-ons etc (as is common throughout luxury) I think H staff training in upselling or suggesting add-ons must be the most inconsistent, random and unsuccessful (if they were trained in that way).

As an H client, I've always led the conversation in asking to see fine jewellery, RTW, hats etc. No one suggests a silk if I've come in to a store looking for a wallet. If I ask for a certain cw of a silk, often I'm told another store in London has one and off I go.

I'm sorry for your situation, that's indeed short-sighted of your former company, but all retail work to KPIs. As has been said in many threads, the higher performing H-stores get preferential treatment which in turn will make their clients happier. No SA/SM likes turning clients away or not being able to fulfill their wants. If an SA suggests something a client can buy as a viable alternative rather than letting him/her walk away empty handed, it's not upselling, the SA is trying to help the client.

IMO, I think H SA's leave H for many different reasons. Some because it's generally so full-on front of house, and more specifically some very demanding clients that literally treat SAs like servants. I've worked in a couture house and with high-jewellery so I know how even Vendeuse are treated, I cannot imagine the constant full-on throng of 'hungry' customers that flow into city H stores day after day. I wouldn't be surprised if quite a few suffered from burn-out. I also think some new SAs quickly find out it's not going to lead to the glamorous life they were hoping for.

Like most luxury houses, I think like you, H should spend a lot more time and effort training staff - and not just to maximize profits. There is for sure, so much waste of good sales people through lack of retention.
I could not agree more on lack of upselling fineness at H

I love that Hermes, particularly its unique colorways while offering great to variety are consistent over decades. I recently was given a bracelet and realized one of my scarves from 20 years ago is a perfect match. But it’s on me make these connections, the SAs do not. Of course my SA is not going to remember a scarf from 20 years ago, but they never work with me to complete an outfit; I never get a text saying you bought that skirt we just received a top that would be a perfect match; i’m never suggested a pair of shoes and so on
 
It's been likened to gambling and addiction many times so may be not an unpopular opinion :biggrin:
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Maybe Paris is different? When I started with my new SA back in March he didn’t know the difference between a Kelly Pochette and a Kelly pocket belt 🫣
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I am a dog person but am not nearly canine enough to understand the appeal of the CDC bracelets.
How about the Rock/Punk asthetic?
That is what attracted me to it....
Unpopular opinion coming up..
I am a HUGE dog lover and am looking forward to the time I can invite a Canine or two into my life once more however...
much as I want them to have practical well made and stylish 'doggy stuff'I cannot get my head around the idea of buying Hermes Collar, lead and Doggy acoutrements for £100's
:no:
:no:
 
How about the Rock/Punk asthetic?
That is what attracted me to it....
Unpopular opinion coming up..
I am a HUGE dog lover and am looking forward to the time I can invite a Canine or two into my life once more however...
much as I want them to have practical well made and stylish 'doggy stuff'I cannot get my head around the idea of buying Hermes Collar, lead and Doggy acoutrements for £100's
:no:
:no:
It doesn't help that the collars are not quick release collars and therefore, inconvenient to put on and take off
 
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