What do y'all think about the Balenciaga SS23 & Adidas collab "teddy" controversy?

What's your take in the Balenciaga teddy bear controversay?

  • It's harmless

    Votes: 23 3.2%
  • It's disgusting

    Votes: 554 76.7%
  • It's just to garner attention - Balenciaga being Balenciaga

    Votes: 94 13.0%
  • I don't know what to think

    Votes: 46 6.4%
  • What controversay? (links in post)

    Votes: 5 0.7%

  • Total voters
    722

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We'd like to leave this thread open, but political conspiracy theories, among other comments need to stop. Discuss the topic only please, let's keep the discussion open and all responses to others need to remain respectful.


Also, let’s stick closely to topic, it really helps preventing tangents and drama.
 
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I worked for multimillion dollar ad agencies for the first 20 years of my career. Just some facts, do with them what you will.

1. The client (in this case, Balenciaga) ALWAYS has to sign off on final images/artwork/ads. Their contract will state that explicitly. This is to legally protect both the agency and the client. The client does not have legal liability if they do not sign off. The contract will also state at what level signoffs are required. This will keep an intern from signing a contract.

2. Minors are required to have a parent or guardian at all photo shoots/recordings. They must sign a release stating that their images/likeliness will be used in the ads or elsewhere. (Many years ago I did a photo shoot for Intel and one of the featured employees refused to sign the release. He was not allowed to be featured in the ad because of it.)

3. All vendors sign off on the finished product as proof that they have finished the job so they can get paid.

4. Management/legal/ADA/compliance on the client side reviews as necessary/requested.


IMO all this finger pointing is BS. Follow the signatures for confirmation.
Exactly!!!! Typical narcissist strategy. Read the description of anti-social personality disorder on the DSM5. These people are "functional" sociopaths. Clinically speaking, an antisocial person is NOT a shy person. It is a person with a personality disorder that displays the following: deceitfulness, as indicated by repeated lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure; reckless disregard for safety of self or others; lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another; Disregard for right and wrong; Being callous, cynical and disrespectful of others; Lack of empathy for others and lack of remorse about harming others
 
Exactly!!!! Typical narcissist strategy. Read the description of anti-social personality disorder on the DSM5. These people are "functional" sociopaths. Clinically speaking, an antisocial person is NOT a shy person. It is a person with a personality disorder that displays the following: deceitfulness, as indicated by repeated lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure; reckless disregard for safety of self or others; lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another; Disregard for right and wrong; Being callous, cynical and disrespectful of others; Lack of empathy for others and lack of remorse about harming others
I think what you're describing are psychopaths not sociopaths. Psychopaths are more cold and calculating, while sociopaths acts without thinking and are hot-headed. And I get that anti-social personality is a disorder but I wish it had a different name, since to me anti-social also means somebody who avoids socializing with other people, either due to ptsd or trauma.
 
I am passionate about the subject because I see, firsthand, how people have been hurt by these behaviors toward children. I have heard, people saying that their parents, their fathers, took them to other men to be raped and molested. Again, if all you do is go to the mall and enjoy the wonderful life that was given to you, bless you! Many others don't have that privilege. And as a society, we need to protect the vulnerable. We have the obligation, as human beings, to speak up about any ... I mean ANY sign of abuse. When someone is a mandated reporter, that person doesn't wait to see tapes and abuse in action. They CAN READ what is going on. They see the signs, and they report. I believe we are all mandated-reporters. These children cannot protect themselves. We must do it for them. We are coming from an assumption that a caregiver is a safe figure; that a parent has their children's best interests in mind. WRONG!!!!!!!!!! Why do we think that these celebrities and these large corporations have ethics? Where did we get this conclusion from? We create narratives in our own heads that people wouldn't do certain things because we can't fathom such atrocities. But, believe me ... they can and they will
 
I think what you're describing are psychopaths not sociopaths. Psychopaths are more cold and calculating, while sociopaths acts without thinking and are hot-headed. And I get that anti-social personality is a disorder but I wish it had a different name, since to me anti-social also means somebody who avoids socializing with other people, either due to ptsd or trauma.
There are two different types of manifestation when it comes to antisocial personality disorder. Psychopaths and sociopaths. The criteria is similar but the neurological footprint is different. I am referring to sociopaths.
 
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I think what you're describing are psychopaths not sociopaths. Psychopaths are more cold and calculating, while sociopaths acts without thinking and are hot-headed. And I get that anti-social personality is a disorder but I wish it had a different name, since to me anti-social also means somebody who avoids socializing with other people, either due to ptsd or trauma.
It is called anti-social because it goes against society; it acts against people. Both types go against people but one has more "nature" than nurture. The sociopath has more of the family dynamics involved, while psychopaths have a heavy gene component to it. Anyway ... don't mean to get too scientific about it.
 
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Read the description of anti-social personality disorder on the DSM5. These people are "functional" sociopaths.
It's truly worrying that people are armchair diagnosing personality disorders in someone they haven't clinically assessed. I'm not trying to start an argument but, even if this was your day job and you were excellent at it, you wouldn't and shouldn't diagnose someone off of their PR response to a failed ad campaign.

It is equally worrying that people are doubling down on judging owners of Bal products if their response is deemed an inappropriate level of outrage against the brand. Everyone is upset and this topic is difficult, so why complicate things further by making people feel bad about their existing collections? I just don't see why the anger is directed at the customers (that have already condemned these images) who don't fall in line with various conspiracy theories. :hrmm:
 
Exactly!!!! Typical narcissist strategy. Read the description of anti-social personality disorder on the DSM5. These people are "functional" sociopaths. Clinically speaking, an antisocial person is NOT a shy person. It is a person with a personality disorder that displays the following: deceitfulness, as indicated by repeated lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure; reckless disregard for safety of self or others; lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another; Disregard for right and wrong; Being callous, cynical and disrespectful of others; Lack of empathy for others and lack of remorse about harming others
While it's accurate that certain positions/industries attract people with certain personality traits, this is about money. We are nearing the end of the year and bonuses/incentives will be based on the performance of the Balenciaga brand. If their sales/reputation/image tanks, then these people will see the difference in their paychecks. Balenciaga has had a very good year thus far and you can bet these employees don't want to take a hit for anything.
 
Exactly!!!! Typical narcissist strategy. Read the description of anti-social personality disorder on the DSM5. These people are "functional" sociopaths. Clinically speaking, an antisocial person is NOT a shy person. It is a person with a personality disorder that displays the following: deceitfulness, as indicated by repeated lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure; reckless disregard for safety of self or others; lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another; Disregard for right and wrong; Being callous, cynical and disrespectful of others; Lack of empathy for others and lack of remorse about harming others
And it’s usually those who do really well in group functions, how else do you explain the rise in ranks? Not that all in same position as D-bal would be, but it doesn’t surprise me.

If you’re in it purely for profit, short term you might see gain. Long term you shoot yourself in the foot.
 
And it’s usually those who do really well in group functions, how else do you explain the rise in ranks? Not that all in same position as D-bal would be, but it doesn’t surprise me.

If you’re in it purely for profit, short term you might see gain. Long term you shoot yourself in the foot.
Narcissists are known to be chameleons. They adapt very easily in order to manage their image and adjust to what is expected from them so they can gain power and status. Look at these celebrities and the Kardashians. They know very well how to manage their image. But it's all a false self. There is no substance behind it. They live from people's praise and admiration. There is nothing inside. They know how to rise in the ranks because they are usually intuitive and they associate themselves with people who have power. Personality disorders usually have co-morbidity with other disorders as well. They don't stand alone
 
Narcissists are known to be chameleons. They adapt very easily in order to manage their image and adjust to what is expected from them so they can gain power and status. Look at these celebrities and the Kardashians. They know very well how to manage their image. But it's all a false self. There is no substance behind it. They live from people's praise and admiration. There is nothing inside. They know how to rise in the ranks because they are usually intuitive and they associate themselves with people who have power. Personality disorders usually have co-morbidity with other disorders as well. They don't stand alone
I think a lot of those who have risen definitely has to be chameleons in order to. It’s something I’ve never cared for, the politics.

But there are also good people (I have to believe this, I could be wrong) who are also on top/successful, but generally it takes longer.

But that’s also because there’s no such thing as instant success. Everything takes time. I’m always cautious of those who promise quick.
 
I think a lot of those who have risen definitely has to be chameleons in order to. It’s something I’ve never cared for, the politics.

But there are also good people (I have to believe this, I could be wrong) who are also on top/successful, but generally it takes longer.

But that’s also because there’s no such thing as instant success. Everything takes time. I’m always cautious of those who promise quick.
Right! We can't overgeneralize. There are amazing leaders out there. There are inspirational leaders who are making a difference and evoking the best in people. Over time, we can differentiate their fruits from the ones who are in positions of power for their own agendas. I am glad we are all different and there are so many gifted people out there doing good to society. They are a breath of fresh air. =)
 
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