What bag do you wish would go away?

[alansgail]

+1. Abandon thread! Lol, but seriously, MK quality is not bad. Don't hate but the leather on my croc embossed Hamilton smells like my LV vernis summit drive. Just because the price points are hugely different, doesn't mean the quality of leather isn't there. I appreciate MK for making nicely crafted goods (many of his bags don't look cheap such as the all leather new hamiltons) but I also appreciate the monogram of LV because it is classic and represents an era of new luxury. So really, no need to bash, since every designer gives something different to the world of fashion.

Brilliant post and thank you!

 

[bonjourErin]

Givenchy Antigona and Pandora , LV neverfull (don't hate me), LV speedy, anything Michael kors & Kate spade

 

[jp23]

I think there is a difference between disliking things and bashing them the comparison that MK are are equal to fakes would be an example.

Whether somebody thinks a brand, style or what have you is worthwhile is totally up to them, but if it's a legitimate brand, it's in no way, size shape or form equal to fake, counterfeit goods.

Your right what's considered worthwhile is up to them, and I would never tell anyone not to buy what they want but this is just a place for me to speak my opinion, which may not be very positive. I quoted a different post with examples of why I think what I think. You can disagree but it's clear through out the forum that this is a major subject of debate. If you don't like my opinion you can just ignore it, like I did to those who said they didn't like what I had.

 

[jp23]

A counterfeit to me is when an item is illegally produced under the name of another manufacturer. No one buys an MK thinking they're buying LV, Celine, or Chloe and they aren't going to tell people their MK is one. Are they unoriginal at times? Absolutely. But there's a huge difference between mimicking designs and the criminal manufacturing process that goes into counterfeits.

I think when people purchase these bags they are purchasing them very well knowing they are not the original, knowing that they are a copy of another bag, just as a fake is a copy of another bag, I hope that makes my point clear.

 

[leechiyong]

I think when people purchase these bags they are purchasing them very well knowing they are not the original, knowing that they are a copy of another bag, just as a fake is a copy of another bag, I hope that makes my point clear.

Still, the point is that the intent is to deceive and often tied to violent crimes. There's a difference between making a splatter painting and making one, then signing it Pollock.

 

[jp23]

Still, the point is that the intent is to deceive and often tied to violent crimes. There's a difference between making a splatter painting and making one, then signing it Pollock.

TBH I think that copying others designs is very very deceiving! What makes a designer a good designer? Being original and innovative, and hopefully creating designs that will withstand the test of time. Ive had someone literally copy a photo of mine, just because he didn't put my name on it makes it not a copy? I don't think that makes it ok. Fortunately I was able to protect myself and my art, but not so lucky for the designers of these products, purses aren't protect by copyright if they were im sure most of these bags wouldn't be in circulation.

 

[alansgail]

I think when people purchase these bags they are purchasing them very well knowing they are not the original, knowing that they are a copy of another bag, just as a fake is a copy of another bag, I hope that makes my point clear.

Actually this is not the case at all. Just because you (or many others here on TPF) who are so invested in the brand and know who they are.........does not mean at all that the general public is also as well versed.

Many women simply go into their local store and see a bag that appeals to them....so they buy it. They have no idea at all that the bag is a "copy" of another designers bag. All they know is that it appeals to them so they buy it.

I guess that means that they have good taste?

 

[leechiyong]

TBH I think that copying others designs is very very deceiving! What makes a designer a good designer? Being original and innovative, and hopefully creating designs that will withstand the test of time. Ive had someone literally copy a photo of mine, just because he didn't put my name on it makes it not a copy? I don't think that makes it ok. Fortunately I was able to protect myself and my art, but not so lucky for the designers of these products, purses aren't protect by copyright if they were im sure most of these bags wouldn't be in circulation.

It is a slippery slope for using someone's technique to inspiration to mimickry to actual counterfeits but the person you mentioned stole your work. That is not ok and is more akin to physically stealing a bag from a store and selling it. But what about photographers other than Anne Geddes who take photos of babies dressed as flowers? Should that be banned? Should people not be allowed to do that?

I'm not saying the copying styles is ok. That's something for their lawyers and courts to decide. But I'm not going to say people ought not carry afaik legally manufactured bags that are in their budgets either. What I will say is there is a huge difference between copying a design and an actual counterfeit.

 

[jp23]

Actually this is not the case at all. Just because you (or many others here on TPF) who are so invested in the brand and know who they are.........does not mean at all that the general public is also as well versed.

Many women simply go into their local store and see a bag that appeals to them....so they buy it. They have no idea at all that the bag is a "copy" of another designers bag. All they know is that it appeals to them so they buy it.

I guess that means that they have good taste?

Hahahaha I guess that does! Lol! A good design is a good design no matter what is done to it (for the most part some people manage to do some terrible things to some amazing bags lol).

But I still find that quite dishonest of him, HE is knowledgable of these designs therefore HE should know better not to copy them, and some have said that he is not directly responsible for these designs but they do have his name on them and I'm sure he has to check them off in some way shape or form. Though I do understand that there are plenty of people not as deep into fashion and design, I think I would be very upset and deceived if I found out a bag that I invested in was a look a like of another.


Also I get that no or very few designs are TRUELY original, and I think that taking inspiration from other designers, decades, people is ok. But I also believe there is a line, and maybe everyone's opinions of when that line is crossed is very different, but to me he for sure crossed it.

 

[iheartlv27]

I don't have a particular bag or designer in mind right now, but I really can't stand snake print! (Snakes gross me out!)
I wish designers would forget that it ever existed! & I'm also not fond of fur bags.
I don't really like the micro bags trend or tote bags without zippers.

 

[rockstarmish]

As a few other posters have said, I am not a huge fan of bags with wings - a little is ok, but the huge wings just make the bag look heavy and an odd shape e.g. Celine Phantom.






+1. Real fur bag charms are horrible and cruel.

Agreed on the fur! Those Fendi fur bag charms are just horrible!

 

[dangerouscurves]

That may be one word for it. When they want a stronger emphasis on lines on a bag, it can work well in adding contrast, but it needs to be deliberate beyond, "X" brand is edge painting their bags black, so we ought to do it too. I think it works better on bags with straight lines and sharper angles.

Yes. I have this Hugo Boss bag in black with pinkish purple color edges. It's pretty. There are also some Celine Phantom bags with neon blue or neon pink edges. They look gorgeous. LV is just lazy and too stingy do the newer Vernis Alma all have black edges.

 

[papertiger]

prada, mostly because of the quality issues
those bizarre fake bags that do not resemble the original but are a collage of different brands like a frankenstein bag, made of bits and pieces with a huge logo like "prada", "givenchy", "ferragamo", etc

I see them too, CG9H%^$MK is not a name :sunnies and the cross-bred hardware Go away!

He literally takes others designs, copies them, and replaces their logo with his. Here are some examples:
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It is just my opinion whether you agree with it or not is up to you. People said they don't like some of the things I own on this thread too, it doesn't bother me that's just their opinion. But when a design is so unmistakably copied, like in the examples above, it seems just like any other "inspired by" piece and if on top of that the quality isn't even there then what is the difference between carrying an MK bag and a fake?

There is a difference in carrying an inspired piece (which is usually what the highstreet does) but WOW, I had no idea some of the MMK bags were soooo close.
Having had just looked at the prices, I can understand why people buy the bags, they really are a fraction on the cost of (even his mainline and) other designers and they don't have a separate 'diffusion' branding.


On the fur bugs: I applaud Fendi for making use of and a profit with what are truly leftover scraps of fur from their bigger fur items. It's the cheaper copies that worry me because the fur's not ethically sourced. There are plenty of alternatives out there too make of sheepskin and faux. People are tired of changing their very expansive bags so they buy charms to change the look. I think it's a great thing.

 

[HesitantShopper]

He literally takes others designs, copies them, and replaces their logo with his. Here are some examples:
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It is just my opinion whether you agree with it or not is up to you. People said they don't like some of the things I own on this thread too, it doesn't bother me that's just their opinion. But when a design is so unmistakably copied, like in the examples above, it seems just like any other "inspired by" piece and if on top of that the quality isn't even there then what is the difference between carrying an MK bag and a fake?

Your right what's considered worthwhile is up to them, and I would never tell anyone not to buy what they want but this is just a place for me to speak my opinion, which may not be very positive. I quoted a different post with examples of why I think what I think. You can disagree but it's clear through out the forum that this is a major subject of debate. If you don't like my opinion you can just ignore it, like I did to those who said they didn't like what I had.

I never once said you were not entitled to your opinion but fake, counterfeit goods are not the same as a bag made by a legitimate company, They are not the only brand one could go through and find bags that look like others, actually you can do this with so many things.. JEANS anyone?! not just in the fashion world either.

A counterfeit to me is when an item is illegally produced under the name of another manufacturer. No one buys an MK thinking they're buying LV, Celine, or Chloe and they aren't going to tell people their MK is one. Are they unoriginal at times? Absolutely. But there's a huge difference between mimicking designs and the criminal manufacturing process that goes into counterfeits.

Still, the point is that the intent is to deceive and often tied to violent crimes. There's a difference between making a splatter painting and making one, then signing it Pollock.

It is a slippery slope for using someone's technique to inspiration to mimickry to actual counterfeits but the person you mentioned stole your work. That is not ok and is more akin to physically stealing a bag from a store and selling it. But what about photographers other than Anne Geddes who take photos of babies dressed as flowers? Should that be banned? Should people not be allowed to do that?

I'm not saying the copying styles is ok. That's something for their lawyers and courts to decide. But I'm not going to say people ought not carry afaik legally manufactured bags that are in their budgets either. What I will say is there is a huge difference between copying a design and an actual counterfeit.

I quoted leechiyong, since i feel the same way, so no sense in repeating it. If patents are violated, actual laws broken companies will sue and handle the matter but it is impossible to patent certain things and i honestly feel it is very hard to be actually sure who started what... saddle bags? yeah they went on horses originally.. and yet now how many bag companies make those? cowboy boots? equestrian tall boots... it's an endless circle. The fashion world as a whole gleams off each other... and how wonderful that it does so everyone at different budgets can enjoy it.

 

[HesitantShopper]

Actually this is not the case at all. Just because you (or many others here on TPF) who are so invested in the brand and know who they are.........does not mean at all that the general public is also as well versed.

Many women simply go into their local store and see a bag that appeals to them....so they buy it. They have no idea at all that the bag is a "copy" of another designers bag. All they know is that it appeals to them so they buy it.

I guess that means that they have good taste?

So very true, it is not across the board known, and even then.. some likely don't care.. we can be talking worlds apart in costs too.

But what you like and can afford and enjoy it. Jeans are probably the best example of this, how many of those exist? but yet are they all by the original brand? hmm don't think so.. doesn't make another brand awful or someone trying to put on an act that they own something more elite.

I think folks read way more into stuff sometimes, it's a bag... at least we have options beyond paper or plastic lol.