The artsy is huge and I don’t think I can fill it anymore but still cannot sell it for some reason. Every once in awhile I see it carried and love it.. I remember throwing stuff in there to fill it and then it was so heavy.I finally decided after not using it in so long, the vibe, and my sincere desire to downsize what I carry! Carmel Mahina in cream Is the hobo I got rid of, another one I should have returned right away.