Were the Le Dix bags faked or not?? Various and speculative opinions

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#61
LouiseyPeasey said:
I totally agree with RDC - that scenario is the exact one I'm imagining too!

Jade, nobody is saying you have to pay top dollar for a bag with PC lining in it! I've said before, in any case of authentication, it's ultimately down to what makes you comfortable. You're not comfortable with this one, and you've returned it and been refunded, as far as I understand.

So the fact that I've spoken up means that the opinions posted here are skewed? I hope that's not the case.
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Actually, the seller will refund me when she receives the bag and is satisfied that it is in the same condition it was sold. I'll post an update when that happens :smile1:

I am not saying that, what I'm saying is that people might think twice about posting a differing opinion to an acknowledged Bal expert, especially if they are not really familiar with FBFs in general. Heck, prior to buying a few of them, I don't know ANYTHING abt them either, other than what I've read here, and from checking out FBFs that belongs to friends.

In fact, I have Corey to thank for this very informative thread which laid out the differences between the 3 seasons of FBF! Thanks Corey, again, for your valuable input.
 
#62
^ Thank you, D, JadeLeaves! :flowers: I owe gratitude to LouiseyPeasey and her old blog that compiled and listed historical color and season information which filled in my memory gaps. Along with exposing the "devil's in the details" and great comparison shots from many collectors' bags. I loved the Aviator post in particular ;o)
 
#63
JadeLeaves said:
:idea: That is a great idea! We have all been obsessed with the authenticity of the bags and did not think to verify the actual PC lining's authenticity.

Darcie, do you have pics of the lining you came across in your search?
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Why don't you contact PC. Tell them the whole story and send them pics of the logo fabric of the pocket and ask it is authentic and did they use that exact logo in 2001-2002? Can't hurt to try. Also try contacting Balenciaga Corp. and ask them why your Balenciaga has a PC lining. I doubt they will respond but you never know. Have you called BNY and Paris and asked for someone that was there in 2001-2002 and asked if they have ever heard of this or seen this before? If it happened more than once you would surely think someone must have returned a bag or asked WTF is this.:supacool:
 
#64
RealDealCollection said:
^ Thank you, D, JadeLeaves! :flowers: I owe gratitude to LouiseyPeasey and her old blog that compiled and listed historical color and season information which filled in my memory gaps. Along with exposing the "devil's in the details" and great comparison shots from many collectors' bags. I loved the Aviator post in particular ;o)
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LP's site was a great resource wasn't it? I'm sure a lot of us were sad when it shut down. Thank you LP too!

powderpuff100 said:
Why don't you contact PC. Tell them the whole story and send them pics of the logo fabric of the pocket and ask it is authentic and did they use that exact logo in 2001-2002? Can't hurt to try. Also try contacting Balenciaga Corp. and ask them why your Balenciaga has a PC lining. I doubt they will respond but you never know. Have you called BNY and Paris and asked for someone that was there in 2001-2002 and asked if they have ever heard of this or seen this before? If it happened more than once you would surely think someone must have returned a bag or asked WTF is this.:supacool:
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Hi PP! I'm in touch with someone who works at PPR and if I hear from them I will definitely update this thread.

Haven't thought of contacting Pierre Cardin though! I'ld love to, but I'm actually going overseas from tmr through to 5th July. If this mystery is not solved by then, I might contact PC too.
 
#67
^^^ Makes for an interesting theory....I was wondering the same thing. The only thing that just does not makes sense is ALL of the "flaws" taken into account. The different lengths of shoulder straps, the very poorly done stitching around the PC lining, the upside down buckle, the rings (handle attachments) being off, etc.....Wasn't someone originally questioning the authenticity way back when on this same bag prior to Jade purchasing it??

I could be totally wrong especially after looking at hundreds of threads over the last year or whatnot....I may just be thinking of a different FBF.
 
#68
I don't think anybody, including jade, was questioning the authenticity of this one before the PC lining came up? If so, I missed it. The upside-down buckles have been seen on various older bags, not just this one, and not just flat brass. And all of the other "flaws" are the kinds of inconsistencies that are in most of these bags. That's part of the point I've been trying to make - look at the pics RDC has posted, for example - there simply were inconsistencies in these bags.

It's like there's almost a religious divide between collectors who find the quirks part of the aesthetic and find the Cardin lining simply intriguing, and those who consider the flaws to be quality control issues or possible signs of inauthenticity. I don't know if there's really any bridging that divide.
 
#69
No doubt :yes: Perhaps we will never know either....it will be some "Urban Legend" in Bbags :roflmfao:

Some people will adamantly say it is fake while others "romanticize" it a bit more with the Pierre Cardin past historical drama behind it. All in all it IS very intriguing to say the least.

The only part that is lousy is that IMO resale of PC lined bags will be much lower just because there will be the hesitation with the authenticity factor from a potential buyers perspective KWIM??
 
#70
^^^I will be so happy when my bag is back home with me!!! This much talked about bag is much loved by me. Right after I bought this bag (on Ebay - probably over a year ago), I had it authenticated by two long time members (they didn't know about the Pierre Cardin lining), and every little niggle, wiggle, squiggle, checked out.
 
#71
kristie said:
^^^ Makes for an interesting theory....I was wondering the same thing. The only thing that just does not makes sense is ALL of the "flaws" taken into account. The different lengths of shoulder straps, the very poorly done stitching around the PC lining, the upside down buckle, the rings (handle attachments) being off, etc.....Wasn't someone originally questioning the authenticity way back when on this same bag prior to Jade purchasing it??

I could be totally wrong especially after looking at hundreds of threads over the last year or whatnot....I may just be thinking of a different FBF.
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Kristie, I think you are confusing my bag with another bag. The "flaws" that you refer to - the shoulder strap on my 02 FBF is the correct length. Upside down buckles have been found on other FBF bags. The rings are not off. And I'm not sure what you mean by "etc." xxx.
 
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#72
Ok, we are at the brink of this thread going very badly and since there are lots of great reference points made herein I really don't want to close this.

I opened another thread on the Pierre Cardin lining itself, I see several of you found that. Sadly, no PC experts have joined in yet.

If anyone has any NEW information, please share. Otherwise I know that the other issues are being worked off-line.

Thank you :flowers:
 
#73
Hey Jade Leaves! I came across this thread while looking in the Ref. Library and I am absolutely fascinated/stunned about all of this! I am definitely not an expert regarding ANY authentication with old Bal bags but one of my professors might be able to authenticate the PC lining. He knows quite a bit about both Cardin and Balenciaga accessories. If you want I can forward the photos on and keep you posted. How odd....

Glad you are getting a refund either way though!
 
#74
kristie said:
Did you know that back in the day Pierre Cardin was actually DENIED work at Balenciaga and then went to Dior instead???? Also in around 2000, he rejected selling his name to the Gucci Group.

http://www.answers.com/topic/pierre-cardin?cat=biz-fin and more

http://igeramos.multiply.com/journal/item/67

Thought it was interesting.........
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It is interesting, but honestly it proves nothing except to possibly support an opinion. I find it a huge stretch to think PC arranged or finagled it so that his PC logo would appear on some Balenciaga inside pockets. Why not the entire inside? Why didn't Balenciaga catch that since supposedly there were not a great number of these bags that were made?
 
#75
josieann said:
Hey Jade Leaves! I came across this thread while looking in the Ref. Library and I am absolutely fascinated/stunned about all of this! I am definitely not an expert regarding ANY authentication with old Bal bags but one of my professors might be able to authenticate the PC lining. He knows quite a bit about both Cardin and Balenciaga accessories. If you want I can forward the photos on and keep you posted. How odd....

Glad you are getting a refund either way though!
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:woohoo::woohoo:YEA! I hope we can get a definitive answer, although I'm not sure we ever will.:confused1: Perhaps send the bag itself to Balenciaga Corporate and ask for an explanation or send the pics to PC and ask why his fabric is in Balenciaga's bag.:p
Very interesting thread. I would love to know the real answer to this mystery. I find it odd that 2 showed up in such a short period of time. That's the main thing that makes me think recent fakes.
 
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