WARNING, Paypal just made me lose $20 THOUSAND dollars from a scamming buyer

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I just read through this entire thread right now and this is just UNREAL. The link on paypalsucks site made by that former PP employee scared me into removing some of my cc's listed on my account.
I truly wish there was a safer method of online payment but as others have said there are, and will always be, scammers out there.

I wish you so much luck in your quest to fight PP and recoup what is owed to you!!! It can't be easy but anything worth fighting for usually isn't.
 
#527
The whole thing makes my stomach sick. IMO the most effective way to have PP respond and recover their mistake is to deliver a court paper to them, and have their higher-ups to stand in the courtroom with you.
 
#528
chloehandbags said:
I've heard a few horror stories about consignment stores too, lately, though.

One went bust, taking a client's Hermes bags with them and two others ignored the pricing requests of their clients and then refused to return their goods (despite being offered expenses to do so, I believe?), after several months of them not selling.

One of the above then, finally, returned a few items (not all!), but they were badly packaged and damaged, if I remember correctly?

No one way of selling things is anywhere near 100% safe, unfortunately.
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Oohh dear, what is the world coming to. I think l just need to be 100% certain of my purchases in the future. Hearing OP's terrible story l think l wont be putting my LV bag up for sale now.
 
#529
hotshot said:
^unfortunately, there are always going to be corrupt and corrosive people in this world..

in this world, you have to go after these kind of people in the best way you can or

know how...in this circumstance, the seller shipped an authentic bag with

back up to prove it, the buyer says it was a fake.. pp made a determination

based on one opinion.. the buyer's.. PP wasn't interested in what the seller

could provide.. there is a big mistake here.. someone has to take responsibility for

telling the buyer that this bag should be destroyed.. what proof is there that the

bag has been destroyed?
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None at all, I know.

I think, at one point, PP did insist on seeing photographic evidence of the destruction of the item?

However, now they seem to have stopped requiring that, for some reason?

Perhaps because they realised there was really nothing to stop someone, intentionally, buying a fake, as well as an auth, and then claiming the fake had been sent in lieu of the auth, destroying it and sending them the pics; I don't know?

After all, if you have a fake in your possession, to photograph and then send the pics to the authentication company; you'll also have it to photograph the destruction of, if necessary, won't you? :shrugs:

The problem is, that there is so much money involved, in the case of Hermes Birkins, that I suppose it makes all this faffing about worthwhile for the scammer?

Whereas, in the case of most other brands, it probably wouldn't really be worthwhile going to this trouble (especially if you did have to destroy the fake)?

Also (and again, NOT suggesting it's happening here, of course), but what's to stop a seller and a buyer colluding in something like this?

The supposed 'buyer' could get the authentication statement (or, maybe even forge one?) and therefore, the refund and the seller could then kick-up an almighty fuss, send threatening letters and try to get their money back from PayPal?

Then, if they succeeded, they could share the $11,000 (or whatever it was) and all both of them would be out is the cost of the fake and the statement.

The fact that they realise this would be possible, may be partly why PP are so very reluctant to entertain the idea of refunding the seller?

Of course, it's very unfair on honest sellers. :sad:
 
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taste4design said:
Oohh dear, what is the world coming to. I think l just need to be 100% certain of my purchases in the future. Hearing OP's terrible story l think l wont be putting my LV bag up for sale now.
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All these threads about scams certainly make selling seem very scary, ATM.

Of course, the OP of this thread didn't actually sell the bag on eBay, so that may have made it even more risky for her, sadly.
 
#531
Floating trickery scenarios here may be an effort to unpack Paypal's motives, but it brings into this thread an idea about this thread's story, despite the careful "NOT saying it's the case here." Well, if you aren't saying that, why the heck get involved in an array of "If a is true, then b, then c, then d..." when a is a nonfactual, self-generated guess and d casts aspersions, theoretically, on the OP?
 
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jellyv said:
Floating trickery scenarios here may be an effort to unpack Paypal's motives...
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That's exactly what it was - I was thinking aloud, as much as anything.


...but it brings into this thread an idea about this thread's story, despite the careful "NOT saying it's the case here." Well, if you aren't saying that, why the heck get involved in an array of "If a is true, then b, then c, then d..." when a is a nonfactual, self-generated guess and d casts aspersions, theoretically, on the OP?
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Not at all. :nogood:

Not casting aspersions on anyone.

To think I was doing that, you'd have to think I was accusing the OP of colluding with the buyer; which I specifically said I wasn't.

Sorry if it came across that way to you, though.
 
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chloehandbags said:
None at all, I know.

I think, at one point, PP did insist on seeing photographic evidence of the destruction of the item?

However, now they seem to have stopped requiring that, for some reason?

Perhaps because they realised there was really nothing to stop someone, intentionally, buying a fake, as well as an auth, and then claiming the fake had been sent in lieu of the auth, destroying it and sending them the pics; I don't know?

After all, if you have a fake in your possession, to photograph and then send the pics to the authentication company; you'll also have it to photograph the destruction of, if necessary, won't you? :shrugs:

The problem is, that there is so much money involved, in the case of Hermes Birkins, that I suppose it makes all this faffing about worthwhile for the scammer?

:sad:
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EXACTLY!!! I want to see pics of MY AUTHENTIC BAG with MY craftsman stamp on it as the one that is destroyed into shreds KWIM?? I mean seriously, it is SO COMMON SENSE that it should be that way before stealing my $11K and siding with this scandalous buyer!! The reason it did not happen is because Paypal is a corrupt organization and they are too STUPID to think of something so logical!
 
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blah956 said:
craftsman stamp? you got your initials on it? what are the chances the buyer would have the same lol
still watching this thread for better turn out :(
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A craftsman stamp is on the strap of every Birkin bag. Each one is very unique to each bag for the most part. My initials are not on the bag.

There is no way someone could have a bag just like mine with the same stamp.

That is why I am saying if PP orders destruction of my authentic Birkin for being "fake," I want to see pics of THAT bag with THAT stamp on it destroyed KWIM if they are going to accuse me of:
1. Selling a fake
2. Giving the seller her money back AND letting her "keep" the bag.
 
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