I am sooooo sorry this happened to you!! please dont think that this person will get away with it for long, what comes around goes around...your day will come and what a glorous day that will be!!
WARNING, Paypal just made me lose $20 THOUSAND dollars from a scamming buyer
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^If a customs form was filled out, the people in customs may or may not have seen the
bag if they opened it for inspection. If they saw it do you think they would remember?
If they did not see it, it was sent to the buyer.This buyer, lives in Canada
and probably knew it would be difficult for the seller to go after him, we know it is a him, so he took a chance and said the item was a fake. PP believed him as he got an affadavit and the bag was destroyed.. or so we think... personally, this buyer knew what he was doing and got away with it as paypal did not look to verify the info that the OP had. So PP basically took the word of the buyer without checking anything with the seller for $11K and told the buyer it was ok to destroy this bag. There is something very wrong with this and the person at pp who gave the go ahead to destroy this bag made an error.. a big error... besides being a horrific emotional experience to go through it is compounded by being out a huge amount of money .. in addition now trying to figure the best way to file something against PP...and that too can cost money... and being frustrated that when OP contacts PP, the information that she is getting is getting back to square one... which is nowhere.. it's done.. don't call..don't write are decision is final..too bad for you... so you are out $11K.. what is going on here with PP???
bag if they opened it for inspection. If they saw it do you think they would remember?
If they did not see it, it was sent to the buyer.This buyer, lives in Canada
and probably knew it would be difficult for the seller to go after him, we know it is a him, so he took a chance and said the item was a fake. PP believed him as he got an affadavit and the bag was destroyed.. or so we think... personally, this buyer knew what he was doing and got away with it as paypal did not look to verify the info that the OP had. So PP basically took the word of the buyer without checking anything with the seller for $11K and told the buyer it was ok to destroy this bag. There is something very wrong with this and the person at pp who gave the go ahead to destroy this bag made an error.. a big error... besides being a horrific emotional experience to go through it is compounded by being out a huge amount of money .. in addition now trying to figure the best way to file something against PP...and that too can cost money... and being frustrated that when OP contacts PP, the information that she is getting is getting back to square one... which is nowhere.. it's done.. don't call..don't write are decision is final..too bad for you... so you are out $11K.. what is going on here with PP???
Hi guys, 3-5K is the max for small claims. It doesn't hurt to hire a paralegal or attorney to write a demand letter and letting them know you plan to go to court.
I had some idiot - whom I gave a GREAT price to - file a claim w/ Paypal after I sent dozens of pictures of a Chloe Tracy bag and disclosing all the defects I could see. Ebay without second guessing, returned her money and then tried to get the $ back from me and I went back and fought it. I got an email from someone at Ebay saying I was not responsible for paying it because I she failed to use signature required when returning the bag. BUT... Ebay was not acknowledging the email I received saying I DID NOT HAVE TO PAY IT BACK! So I didn't and cancelled my account.
I'm so hesitant to list anything valuable on Ebay, for one the fees are hardly worth it and they're such a pain. I have my LV Hudson that I was thinking about listing but it may not be worth it after all.
I'm sorry you're going through this, please don't let it go.
I had some idiot - whom I gave a GREAT price to - file a claim w/ Paypal after I sent dozens of pictures of a Chloe Tracy bag and disclosing all the defects I could see. Ebay without second guessing, returned her money and then tried to get the $ back from me and I went back and fought it. I got an email from someone at Ebay saying I was not responsible for paying it because I she failed to use signature required when returning the bag. BUT... Ebay was not acknowledging the email I received saying I DID NOT HAVE TO PAY IT BACK! So I didn't and cancelled my account.
I'm so hesitant to list anything valuable on Ebay, for one the fees are hardly worth it and they're such a pain. I have my LV Hudson that I was thinking about listing but it may not be worth it after all.
I'm sorry you're going through this, please don't let it go.
Hmmm...OK...so as this was off of Ebay it takes them off the hook completely right? Ugh... just went from little to no seller protection to NONE at all!
So...basically Paypal was just the banker in the middle of this transaction. Kinda like a real bank. Which is what they are exactly, howeverthey are an online bank.
What does the customs form have to do with it at this point? Buyer (umm...I meant scammer) is claiming a Fake Birkin period.
Personally done with Ebay too. My last bag just went a reseller in CA!
Hat's off to you Kristie...If this had happended to me...I'd be laid up on my couch for weeks with an IV drip full of Valium into my arm. Afterwards I'd do what somebody posted earlier...I'd be an over the border stalker!
If he gave the bag to his mother as a mother's day gift..
what does she know besides having a beautiful bag... personally,
don't think he is going to ship the bag to anyone here in the
US where that bag might be seen on ebay... he will either hold on to
it or do a private transaction... and there are plenty of people
around, who don't care where a bag came from.. they just know that
they have a beautiful Birkin bag and aren't asking any ?'s..
I guess for this transaction, they are off the hook, in that this story does not illustrate a problem with Ebay. There are plenty of others that do, no doubt about that. I was just making the point for those who thought this was an ebay transaction gone bad, that it is solely a Paypal matter....
Also, I asked about the customs form because yesterday there was some question of whether the buyer would have had to pay duty or just VAT.
not sure if you have an issue with that?
Also, I asked about the customs form because yesterday there was some question of whether the buyer would have had to pay duty or just VAT.
not sure if you have an issue with that?
You're missing my point. There is organized crime out there, and fencing of stolen material, so this person may not be the one to unload this bag eventually.
And what a scammer provides as a cover story should be taken with all the salt in the Morton's box.
if he has the bag... he has to unload it to someone, right?
organized crime whomever it goes to.. it starts with the person
who received it...he received it...
Right. Again, he may not put it into the reselling stream personally in a way that identifies him as the source of this bag. Big-ticket theft has big crime behind it a lot of the time.
I guess for this transaction, they are off the hook, in that this story does not illustrate a problem with Ebay. There are plenty of others that do, no doubt about that. I was just making the point for those who thought this was an ebay transaction gone bad, that it is solely a Paypal matter....
Also, I asked about the customs form because yesterday there was some question of whether the buyer would have had to pay duty or just VAT.
not sure if you have an issue with that?
Totally agree CobaltBlu...Ebay is completely in the clear on this one. Ref the customs form question...I too would think that the scammer must've paid a hefty customs fee!
Agree, this scammer person is a real PRO. I too was scammed by a PRO a few years ago...It took uncountable hours of my time, personally walking my file into the FBI offices in my region. Pleading my case over and over again, until they agreed to take it on and then it took two years to get a judgement on my case. I lost just 1K, never got it back, but I did get justice! That was priceless!
.. he may pass the bag on to someone else who
will sell the bag for him...however, PP has his name on record
and OP has his name & address as well.. so the trail will start
with him... he would be risking an awful lot to be a front for someone?
the bag was bought by him & shipped to him... there is a record
of him paying.. so it would be reasonable to think that if he has
sold this bag that a portion of the money or all of the money would
reflect in his bank account.. which could be checked easily enough..
just think, he is going to hold on to this bag until things quiet down
or its been taken care of already and moved on with perhaps no trail
he is a scammer.. they know how to do these things.. fast...
Yes....it was not clear if you have to pay customs in CA on used items, but what I was thinking is if they paid a huge fee, and then claimed the bag was fake, wouldnt they go back and try to get their $$ back???....Of course!! Any honest person receiving a counterfeit would try to recover their customs fees.
Thats why I think it would be good to know if a) they paid significant custom or VAT and if they did, did they try to recover their $$ after supposedly discovering the bag was fake and "destroying it"...
If they did pay a lot and did not try to get their money back, it tells me they had this scam pretty well sussed out...
^yes, most likely... I can't imagine that the OP would have shipped this bag to an unverified address...
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