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...I am terribly sorry to misleading you all thinking it was a TPF hater reported me, my action just added more damage to already troubled situation, I must admit that I made a mistake and hope you all can forgive me, I am very sorry...

Nothing to be sorry about.

I have my own opinions based on the experiences of others about that denial. But I'll keep my opinions to myself. Suffice to say that the person who sent that denial has been known to deny facts and throw out some serious untruths in the past. I'll refer to him as "D-D" from now on since he seems to have 2 first names, both starting with D. Two second names too. He also sells on at least one site that he was previously banned from by using his daughter's name and/or account. Banned twice from tPF, temporarily suspended or told not to make any comments in anyone's Poshmark listings, and permanently banned from Ebay's Fashion forum after at least 4 suspensions with warnings for being constantly argumentative and insulting to other posters, AND many of his posts there have been removed. He has several Private pages on Facebook and he's even been kind enough on rare occasions to make them Public for a day or three when he has something especially insulting or vulgar to say to any of us. I can post screencaps if anyone's wondering just how disgusting some of his comments can be. And although he's been fighting with Ebay for reasons unknown to me, and even has a charming "F*** Ebay" private FB page, he claims to his Followers that he's removed all his Coaches from Ebay, but there are still a few listed by him using his daughter's "barne-acadi" ID and account at Ebay and at least one other selling site.

For many reasons I finally had enough and took advantage of my right to refuse to authenticate any of his listings and posted this on June 1 of 2020, the resulting discussion lasted over several days:
"Due to that seller's prices, business practices, and personal attacks on tPF members I will NOT be authenticating any items sold by VINTAGECOACH4LESS listed on Ebay or any other website he sells on under any and all IDs he uses including but not limited to:
VINTAGECOACH4LESS
VTGCOACH4LESS
VINTAGE EXCELLENCE
and
DAVE EDWARDS "


There's a LOT more, but we're talking about authentication services. So as for the "authenticating service" he's apparently now offering, unless someone is using his name, there's another great BIG BAD LIE that he's already throwing out there, or convincing his site members to throw out there for him.

Let's start with rumors I've heard that he's now calling himself an authenticator, when so many times his posts at other sites start out with "I'm not an authenticator BUT..." Out and out mistakes, refusal to accept advice or even photographic proof that information being given him was correct and he was wrong, and topping that off by insulting and denigrating the people giving that advice such as the handbag experts at Ebay's Fashion forum. And not just the ones who he believes are also tPF members.

Several posters here have PMd me over the last week asking about some new authentication service they'd seen mentioned or listed at several selling sites and if I had any information about them and whether or not they could be depended on. Here are pics of one of them from Poshmark for a NWT Wendie (just to clarify, both bags are genuine. Which isn't surprising since if they weren't, they never would have been listed on those sites if they included any mention of " ITSREALBABY! ".)

Check out the photos of the Wendie and the COA, certificate number 8 dated 4-25-2021. Click on the thumbnail to enlarge. Also note that it names the authenticator and is signed by him, Dale R Barnes:

POSH -Sunday 4-24-2021- Wendie_janetschneid198-h.jpgPOSH -Sunday 4-24-2021- Wendie_janetschneid198-f.jpg

Information posted by the seller states

"Dale is currently working on a website for his authentications. Since this is a service he just began it's a private service, but will be offering authentications for everyone soon. I love a great deal like most people. Thanks for commenting on my recent purchase and pointing out another one. I enjoy friendly helpful people. Have a wonderful day. :smile:"

So since this brand-new service is initially private and only being offered to members of his Facebook pages (I've confirmed that through another source) it's safe to assume that the seller is a member or a friend of a member of at least one of them.


Then I got a PM asking me about the same service mentioned in a Mercari listing.

The first words in the description sound like they've been "suggested" by someone else, but that's just a hunch. However I remember at least one "authenticator" on Ebay back about 10 or 15 years ago who always insisted as part of the authentication agreement that the service's name be prominently mentioned in the item's description so it wouldn't surprise me if other service owners try doing the same thing. In this case, it puts the onus of False Advertising into the item seller's lap instead of the service owner's, since the seller's description says:

"Description

Authenticated by It's Real, Baby!, the premier Coach authentication service. The buyer of this bag will receive the certificate of authentication in hard copy."


The PREMIER Coach authentication service? One that's been operating less than a month, has no track record, no website, is only open to members of less than a half-dozen Private Facebook pages, and has been mentioned in TWO listings? I can't wait to see the looks on the faces of the people running sites, good or bad, from Authenticate4U to Entrupy, that someone has crowned themselves the "Premier Coach authentication service". (Actually I would have put "Authenticate This Coach" here at tPF in that position judging by the number of Coach items we've authenticated but maybe since we don't charge 12 dollars or thereabouts, we don't qualify. The fact that we get it right more than 99 percent of the time doesn't apparently matter either.)

Keep in mind, this is the same self-crowned authenticator who posted in these Ebay Fashion Forum threads just a few months ago:
and
and
and

and a lesson in how NOT to authenticate a "Bridle Bag"
and

and who posted this tPF-focused definition of "SNIPING" on one of his Private Facebook sites:
Dave Edwards
Admin
Oct 1 at 5:11 PM

"OK, a litttle rant. This is about what's called "sniping". We have talked about this on this site
and have recommendedthat when you authenticate HERE, you should only provide a picture
and dimensions and a description of the bag that you are potentially going to buy because
if it's advertised for sale IT IS FAIR GAME. You can always PM me with the bag and site
and trust me I would never buy a bag out from under you. So with that said, a very (in)famous
but devious and nasty authentication site called THE PURSE FORUM - REQUIRES the
person seeking authentication to divulge the site, source and seller of the bags they are
requesting authentication for. The sad part for them is when I see a good deal on their site
I WILL SHARE IT. That's called "Sniping". It's not illegal but it's not nice. Do I care? NO.
The Purse Forum has **** on me and my business and name and I will forever do what I want
to repay them for being such snobby *******s. KARMA IS A *****. PILO. Dave"

and as final proof of his skills and experience as an authenticator, I offer this Etsy listing from less than 8 months ago for a lovely and very rare "VTG" Coach t-shirt with his special favorite enhancement, stripper glitter. And only $74.99!

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FAKE t-shirt_JERZEES_ETSY-11-2-2020-c.jpg

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(From a search of the Wayback made by a highly respected tPFer, the first Coach t-shirts appeared on the website some time around 2009-2010. None of them qualify as "vintage" or even "VTG" and none had, has, or ever WILL have, "Jerzees" tags inside. When Coach charges as much as $100 or more for a T, it bloody well better have a Coach tag under that neckband!
Nice try anyway, D-D.

So to conclude - any listing you find that mentions " ITSREALBABY " with or without the exclamation point will almost certainly be from a member or friend of a member of one of his Groups. Any sale or offer or questions for the seller if he or she turns out to be one of his "faithful" could lead to you being Searched for as a suspected tPF member and leave you open to the same tactics of having your listings followed and your customers hounded with accusations that you sold them fakes, which other people have already experienced. (I suggest that anyone who's seeing visual evidence of that sort of manipulation and attempted cancellation of a sale to take and save screencaps of those derogatory posts IMMEDIATELY).
 
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I got an email from Etsy's Marketplace Integrity yesterday, to inform me they closed my shop at Etsy's for listing faks. I got an warning last week for listing a "fake" blue 9136 small pocket zip, my only other listing (beside the hand made tea rose charms) was a 1999 limited edition made in Italy Python Clutch, it was deemed " fake" again, thus they closed my account.
I feel Etsy's Marketplace Integrity team is such a joke, as both bags are absolutely authentic, they were both authenticated at time of purchase, last week I requested the blue 9136 to be looked at again at AT thread (page 4007), and forward the link to that page to Etsy's, to appeal my case. Instead of fixing their err, they decided to close my account.
Honestly I don't mind at all, as I was overwhelmed with has to maintain a leather work shop, I am a very lazy person, will only do things when I feel like it. It is kind of a relief they closed my shop.
Still it doesn't make sense why they do such thing, as I see plenty of fakes listed at Etsy's and they did nothing, the only time they did something turned out they were completely wrong. I have no interest to give any of my future business to Etsy's, will just stick to good old eBay instead.
For record, here are my two " fakes" that Etsy's ruled as against their policy

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Too bad for etsy. They can keep all their bad sellers and eventually, they will close down, too, if they continue with this model. :mad:
 
Nothing to be sorry about.

For many reasons I finally had enough and took advantage of my right to refuse to authenticate any of his listings and posted this on June 1 of 2020, the resulting discussion lasted over several days:
"Due to that seller's prices, business practices, and personal attacks on tPF members I will NOT be authenticating any items sold by VINTAGECOACH4LESS listed on Ebay or any other website he sells on under any and all IDs he uses including but not limited to:
VINTAGECOACH4LESS
VTGCOACH4LESS
VINTAGE EXCELLENCE
and
DAVE EDWARDS "

Amen. Thanks for sharing all this info with us, @Hyacinth. I have seen the "It's Real Baby" certificate and thought it was a complete joke. :lol: I mean, why would anyone pay $12 of whatever he's charging for a $30 bag, let's say? That's almost half the price of the bag itself!
 
I would like to thank everyone for the overwhelming love and support you all offered to me, this forum is truly a great place where strangers become friends, and care about one another. Still with very heavy heart I must announce that I probably was deadly wrong, to jump into the conclusion a TPF hater was behind it. As the person we all think about contacted me via my eBay account this morning, to inform me he and his group did not report any of my listings, and I believe it’s true, otherwise no need for him to contact me to clear the air.
It is quite possible that my shop was on Ets’s radar because it was very new with no proven credit. Also I was partial responsible for listing the 2005 made blue 9136 bag,I did not know non vintage can not be listed on Etsy until today. Had Etsy gave me the correct reason (non vintage)when they removed my 9136 listing, I would not be upset at all because it was my fault not read all the fine print. Instead they removed it as counterfeit mentioned nothing about non vintage.
As to the 1999 Python Clutch, Etsy was totally wrong on that one.
I am terribly sorry to misleading you all thinking it was a TPF hater reported me, my action just added more damage to already troubled situation, I must admit that I made a mistake and hope you all can forgive me, I am very sorry...

Luna, you are adored, respected and admired here on tpf. Anyone who knows you is well aware of your integrity and honesty. We all make mistakes and it is truly Etsy's loss to lose such a gifted and honest seller.

Aren't we fortunate to have our happy place to celebrate, encourage and enable :lol: each other! :hugs:
 
Amen. Thanks for sharing all this info with us, @Hyacinth. I have seen the "It's Real Baby" certificate and thought it was a complete joke. :lol: I mean, why would anyone pay $12 of whatever he's charging for a $30 bag, let's say? That's almost half the price of the bag itself!

Ok guys, I’ve decided to start a business: For the competitive price of $11.50, you’ll get a COA from “Novice Authentications”- the premier authentication service offered by me, a novice. Guaranteed authentic about 70% of the time! Our slogan is “Hey, at least we’re not as bad as Entrupy”… Taking requests now, don’t wait! :roflmfao:
 
Nothing to be sorry about.

I have my own opinions based on the experiences of others about that denial. But I'll keep my opinions to myself. Suffice to say that the person who sent that denial has been known to deny facts and throw out some serious untruths in the past. I'll refer to him as "D-D" from now on since he seems to have 2 first names, both starting with D. Two second names too. He also sells on at least one site that he was previously banned from by using his daughter's name and/or account. Banned twice from tPF, temporarily suspended or told not to make any comments in anyone's Poshmark listings, and permanently banned from Ebay's Fashion forum after at least 4 suspensions with warnings for being constantly argumentative and insulting to other posters, AND many of his posts there have been removed. He has several Private pages on Facebook and he's even been kind enough on rare occasions to make them Public for a day or three when he has something especially insulting or vulgar to say to any of us. I can post screencaps if anyone's wondering just how disgusting some of his comments can be. And although he's been fighting with Ebay for reasons unknown to me, and even has a charming "F*** Ebay" private FB page, he claims to his Followers that he's removed all his Coaches from Ebay, but there are still a few listed by him using his daughter's "barne-acadi" ID and account at Ebay and at least one other selling site.

For many reasons I finally had enough and took advantage of my right to refuse to authenticate any of his listings and posted this on June 1 of 2020, the resulting discussion lasted over several days:
"Due to that seller's prices, business practices, and personal attacks on tPF members I will NOT be authenticating any items sold by VINTAGECOACH4LESS listed on Ebay or any other website he sells on under any and all IDs he uses including but not limited to:
VINTAGECOACH4LESS
VTGCOACH4LESS
VINTAGE EXCELLENCE
and
DAVE EDWARDS "


There's a LOT more, but we're talking about authentication services. So as for the "authenticating service" he's apparently now offering, unless someone is using his name, there's another great BIG BAD LIE that he's already throwing out there, or convincing his site members to throw out there for him.

Let's start with rumors I've heard that he's now calling himself an authenticator, when so many times his posts at other sites start out with "I'm not an authenticator BUT..." Out and out mistakes, refusal to accept advice or even photographic proof that information being given him was correct and he was wrong, and topping that off by insulting and denigrating the people giving that advice such as the handbag experts at Ebay's Fashion forum. And not just the ones who he believes are also tPF members.

Several posters here have PMd me over the last week asking about some new authentication service they'd seen mentioned or listed at several selling sites and if I had any information about them and whether or not they could be depended on. Here are pics of one of them from Poshmark for a NWT Wendie (just to clarify, both bags are genuine. Which isn't surprising since if they weren't, they never would have been listed on those sites if they included any mention of " ITSREALBABY! ".)

Check out the photos of the Wendie and the COA, certificate number 8 dated 4-25-2021. Click on the thumbnail to enlarge. Also note that it names the authenticator and is signed by him, Dale R Barnes:

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Information posted by the seller states

"Dale is currently working on a website for his authentications. Since this is a service he just began it's a private service, but will be offering authentications for everyone soon. I love a great deal like most people. Thanks for commenting on my recent purchase and pointing out another one. I enjoy friendly helpful people. Have a wonderful day. :smile:"

So since this brand-new service is initially private and only being offered to members of his Facebook pages (I've confirmed that through another source) it's safe to assume that the seller is a member or a friend of a member of at least one of them.


Then I got a PM asking me about the same service mentioned in a Mercari listing.

The first words in the description sound like they've been "suggested" by someone else, but that's just a hunch. However I remember at least one "authenticator" on Ebay back about 10 or 15 years ago who always insisted as part of the authentication agreement that the service's name be prominently mentioned in the item's description so it wouldn't surprise me if other service owners try doing the same thing. In this case, it puts the onus of False Advertising into the item seller's lap instead of the service owner's, since the seller's description says:

"Description

Authenticated by It's Real, Baby!, the premier Coach authentication service. The buyer of this bag will receive the certificate of authentication in hard copy."


The PREMIER Coach authentication service? One that's been operating less than a month, has no track record, no website, is only open to members of less than a half-dozen Private Facebook pages, and has been mentioned in TWO listings? I can't wait to see the looks on the faces of the people running sites, good or bad, from Authenticate4U to Entrupy, that someone has crowned themselves the "Premier Coach authentication service". (Actually I would have put "Authenticate This Coach" here at tPF in that position judging by the number of Coach items we've authenticated but maybe since we don't charge 12 dollars or thereabouts, we don't qualify. The fact that we get it right more than 99 percent of the time doesn't apparently matter either.)

Keep in mind, this is the same self-crowned authenticator who posted in these Ebay Fashion Forum threads just a few months ago:
and
and
and

and a lesson in how NOT to authenticate a "Bridle Bag"
and

and who posted this tPF-focused definition of "SNIPING" on one of his Private Facebook sites:
Dave Edwards
Admin
Oct 1 at 5:11 PM

"OK, a litttle rant. This is about what's called "sniping". We have talked about this on this site
and have recommendedthat when you authenticate HERE, you should only provide a picture
and dimensions and a description of the bag that you are potentially going to buy because
if it's advertised for sale IT IS FAIR GAME. You can always PM me with the bag and site
and trust me I would never buy a bag out from under you. So with that said, a very (in)famous
but devious and nasty authentication site called THE PURSE FORUM - REQUIRES the
person seeking authentication to divulge the site, source and seller of the bags they are
requesting authentication for. The sad part for them is when I see a good deal on their site
I WILL SHARE IT. That's called "Sniping". It's not illegal but it's not nice. Do I care? NO.
The Purse Forum has **** on me and my business and name and I will forever do what I want
to repay them for being such snobby *******s. KARMA IS A *****. PILO. Dave"

and as final proof of his skills and experience as an authenticator, I offer this Etsy listing from less than 8 months ago for a lovely and very rare "VTG" Coach t-shirt with his special favorite enhancement, stripper glitter. And only $74.99!

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(From a search of the Wayback made by a highly respected tPFer, the first Coach t-shirts appeared on the website some time around 2009-2010. None of them qualify as "vintage" or even "VTG" and none had, has, or ever WILL have, "Jerzees" tags inside. When Coach charges as much as $100 or more for a T, it bloody well better have a Coach tag under that neckband!
Nice try anyway, D-D.

So to conclude - any listing you find that mentions " ITSREALBABY " with or without the exclamation point will almost certainly be from a member or friend of a member of one of his Groups. Any sale or offer or questions for the seller if he or she turns out to be one of his "faithful" could lead to you being Searched for as a suspected tPF member and leave you open to the same tactics of having your listings followed and your customers hounded with accusations that you sold them fakes, which other people have already experienced. (I suggest that anyone who's seeing visual evidence of that sort of manipulation and attempted cancellation of a sale to take and save screencaps of those derogatory posts IMMEDIATELY).
Fabulous post! He has been dissing me accusing me of sh*tting all over his FB followers on my seller blocking post when I did no such thing and threatening some kind of legal action for my comment of supposed trademark violation. The nicest thing I can say is what a piece of work with a foul mouth.

My initial impression of the authentication services and guarantee are whose opinion would this self-prescribed “expert” accept as contradicting his opinion and therefore refund the charged fees? And, who in their right mind would actually pay hm for this service? It’s ludicrous! I laughed when I heard about this new venture.

Oh, and by the way, he’s threatening to kick out my friends on his FB pages. Oh no! I don’t even look at them. But hey, we haven’t had any dtama for awhile. Not even any rants as he likes to call them. You go, Hyacinth!
 
Ok guys, I’ve decided to start a business: For the competitive price of $11.50, you’ll get a COA from “Novice Authentications”- the premier authentication service offered by me, a novice. Guaranteed authentic about 70% of the time! Our slogan is “Hey, at least we’re not as bad as Entrupy”… Taking requests now, don’t wait! :roflmfao:
Ooh, ooh! Can I be on the team?!
 
Amazon restocked CPR for the Canadians! Crisis averted!!:panic::lol:

Eta: removed the first part of my comment because I didn’t wanna offend anyone incase it came off insensitive!
Congrats! Good news. I was ready to plan a Rehab without Borders rally. Buy as much as I could. Possibly recruit House and anyone else and figure out the best part of the US / Canadian border to drive up to and just start lobbing containers of CPR over the border, fence, falls etc. Kinda relieved I can call that off.
I've never bought the big refill. I have several of the medium size bottles unopened.

Comments like these make me smile because I'm pretty sure that I was the first TPF Coach Rehabber to try Leather CPR and I've been using it ever since, for at least 10 years.

Apple Leather Conditioner used to be the favorite but it was expensive and hard to get. I first came across bottles of Leather CPR at a Tuesday Morning store and it was a lot cheaper so I decided to try it - and I liked it much better than Apple!

But I still use Apple Garde Rain & Stain Repellent to protect bags and I like it but it is pricey - over $16 for a can on Amazon! Can anyone suggest another good option for a rain repellent? Thanks!
 
and as final proof of his skills and experience as an authenticator, I offer this Etsy listing from less than 8 months ago for a lovely and very rare "VTG" Coach t-shirt with his special favorite enhancement, stripper glitter. And only $74.99!

View attachment 5070761
View attachment 5070764

View attachment 5070766


(From a search of the Wayback made by a highly respected tPFer, the first Coach t-shirts appeared on the website some time around 2009-2010. None of them qualify as "vintage" or even "VTG" and none had, has, or ever WILL have, "Jerzees" tags inside. When Coach charges as much as $100 or more for a T, it bloody well better have a Coach tag under that neckband!
:roflmfao:
 
Comments like these make me smile because I'm pretty sure that I was the first TPF Coach Rehabber to try Leather CPR and I've been using it ever since, for at least 10 years.

Apple Leather Conditioner used to be the favorite but it was expensive and hard to get. I first came across bottles of Leather CPR at a Tuesday Morning store and it was a lot cheaper so I decided to try it - and I liked it much better than Apple!

But I still use Apple Garde Rain & Stain Repellent to protect bags and I like it but it is pricey - over $16 for a can on Amazon! Can anyone suggest another good option for a rain repellent? Thanks!

Ah, so you’re the OG we have to thank! Well, THANK YOU!! :hugs:
 
Ah, so you’re the OG we have to thank! Well, THANK YOU!! :hugs:

Just a lucky find, but thanks!

I came across this old post of mine below from 2011 that discusses various rehabbing products. I had picked up a lot of advice from other rehabbers and I was just starting to use BlackRocks back then - and I wasn't too sure that I liked it - but now I love it!

 
Just a lucky find, but thanks!

I came across this old post of mine below from 2011 that discusses various rehabbing products. I had picked up a lot of advice from other rehabbers and I was just starting to use BlackRocks back then - and I wasn't too sure that I liked it - but now I love it!


I recently got Blackrocks & Im not really a fan. It’s very tacky & makes the bag look too shiny. I thought I was applying it sparingly but maybe even what I consider “sparingly” is too much?
 
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