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Eternals I finally got a chance to try butterfly ring today and I am in love! The mop glows even in the crappy store lighting. Need to decide on size though as it fits different than other rings. And my fingers change size so much with the crazy heat here. Thanks for all the pics!!
It's beautiful isn't it? I hope it finds it's way into your jewelry box soon. I struggle with ring sizing too, but with your ring experience and with the help here, I'm sure you wont have too much of an issue.
 
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Thanks so much! Do you find the ring spins with a looser fit? Most of my rings are loose and I find them much more comfortable. But it was hard to tell how a looser would feel with this style.
Of course! It does spin, actually so much so, that I have been wearing it on the middle finger mostly while indoors. But when outside it fits better on the ring finger. I don’t mind switching like this as I don’t plan to wear other rings on the same hand while wearing this one. I also chose this looser fit as I didn’t want to worry about the ring not fitting with a tighter size. The frivole BTF ring is more closed off and the flowers rest on the fingers more (unlike the butterflies), so I don’t experience as much the same spinning issue with the frivole BTF ring, if that makes sense. I think the two butterfly ring looks so lovely on you, and since you love unique ring designs, suspect you won’t regret this one!
 
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Gosh it looks stunning on you @lynne_ross Isn’t the glow of the polished WMOP on another level? Honestly it’s spoilt all other WMOP for me! I had the opportunity to try the two-motif WMOP earrings in RG a few weeks back and I kept comparing it to the polished WMOP on this beautiful ring and the glow of this ring overpowered the regular WMOP for me. I had no hesitation saying no to those earrings!

BTW I love pairing serpenti pieces with this butterfly ring! I love the contrast of the edgy serpenti design and the whimsical beauty of the butterfly ring!

Can’t wait for you to add this ring! I don’t remember which size I ultimately chose but I went for a loose fit because I prefer loose rings on me.

Look what I am wearing right now! Hands down my fave ring!

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Just stunning, and love the femininity of your styling in the photo! Yay, Congrats on the RG mop 2 motif earrings, I am so happy for you 🤗 And how perfect that it’s in a RG setting instead of YG. I know it’s not polished mop (which I’m a sucker for too!!), but still so pretty in the dangly 2 motif form. I hope you enjoy them and can’t wait to see how you style them! ❤️
 
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Just stunning, and love the femininity of your styling in the photo! Yay, Congrats on the RG mop 2 motif earrings, I am so happy for you 🤗 And how perfect that it’s in a RG setting instead of YG. I know it’s not polished mop (which I’m a sucker for too!!), but still so pretty in the dangly 2 motif form. I hope you enjoy them and can’t wait to see how you style them! ❤️
You are too sweet! I actually passed on the earrings @N321 it honestly lacked the glow that I was looking for. TBH if WMOP is not the polished like our butterfly ring, I feel WMOP in YG is the best way to go. The YG makes the WMOP look warmer and more inviting. Tempted as I was, in the end, I had to stay true to myself and walk away from those earrings. I will admire stone pieces from afar. I am better at that than actually wearing them:yes:
 
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You are too sweet! I actually passed on the earrings @N321 it honestly lacked the glow that I was looking for. TBH if WMOP is not the polished like our butterfly ring, I feel WMOP in YG is the best way to go. The YG makes the WMOP look warmer and more inviting. Tempted as I was, in the end, I had to stay true to myself and walk away from those earrings. I will admire stone pieces from afar. I am better at that than actually wearing them:yes:
Ah I’m so sorry for misreading your post! Shouldn’t post when I’m still waking up 😜 that is great that you said no if it didn’t speak to your heart! ❤️
 
Hi experts, I bought a carnelian 5 motif bracelet recently and all the motifs have air gaps when looking under direct light. I sent it back and got a new one and the same thing happened though I feel like the gaps are smaller this time. I am keeping it since the air gaps are unnoticeable when wearing. I also owned a vintage size MOP necklace for many years now but the motif doesn’t have any gap at all. So I wonder if air gaps are more common for carnelian or this is just VCA quality nowsaday. Thanks
 
Hi experts, I bought a carnelian 5 motif bracelet recently and all the motifs have air gaps when looking under direct light. I sent it back and got a new one and the same thing happened though I feel like the gaps are smaller this time. I am keeping it since the air gaps are unnoticeable when wearing. I also owned a vintage size MOP necklace for many years now but the motif doesn’t have any gap at all. So I wonder if air gaps are more common for carnelian or this is just VCA quality nowsaday. Thanks
Reason is thermal expansion. When materials are heated (by body heat, weather, etc), molecules move faster and occupy more space, causing material to expand. When materials are cooled (for example during winter, etc), molecules move slower and occupy less space, causing material to contract.

If there's no gap between the stone and the metal, the stone will crack because there's no space to expand to.

You can also see these gaps in train platforms, bridges, and other structures, to accommodate for expansion.

We also have to remember that:

1. Different materials/stones have different coefficients of thermal expansion (CTE), which means some materials may expand more than others. In general, mother-of-pearl is a composite (i.e. made of many materials) and therefore has a higher CTE than carnelian, which is a form of quartz (i.e. one material which is a crystal). So it's possible that your MOP doesn't have a big of a gap because it has expanded to the space allocated to it, than the carnelian.

2. These are made by hand so there may be variations in gap size from one creation to another, or between stones, or even between motifs
 
Reason is thermal expansion. When materials are heated (by body heat, weather, etc), molecules move faster and occupy more space, causing material to expand. When materials are cooled (for example during winter, etc), molecules move slower and occupy less space, causing material to contract.

If there's no gap between the stone and the metal, the stone will crack because there's no space to expand to.

You can also see these gaps in train platforms, bridges, and other structures, to accommodate for expansion.

We also have to remember that:

1. Different materials/stones have different coefficients of thermal expansion (CTE), which means some materials may expand more than others. In general, mother-of-pearl is a composite (i.e. made of many materials) and therefore has a higher CTE than carnelian, which is a form of quartz (i.e. one material which is a crystal). So it's possible that your MOP doesn't have a big of a gap because it has expanded to the space allocated to it, than the carnelian.

2. These are made by hand so there may be variations in gap size from one creation to another, or between stones, or even between motifs
My god, this response is perfect!!
 
Reason is thermal expansion. When materials are heated (by body heat, weather, etc), molecules move faster and occupy more space, causing material to expand. When materials are cooled (for example during winter, etc), molecules move slower and occupy less space, causing material to contract.

If there's no gap between the stone and the metal, the stone will crack because there's no space to expand to.

You can also see these gaps in train platforms, bridges, and other structures, to accommodate for expansion.

We also have to remember that:

1. Different materials/stones have different coefficients of thermal expansion (CTE), which means some materials may expand more than others. In general, mother-of-pearl is a composite (i.e. made of many materials) and therefore has a higher CTE than carnelian, which is a form of quartz (i.e. one material which is a crystal). So it's possible that your MOP doesn't have a big of a gap because it has expanded to the space allocated to it, than the carnelian.

2. These are made by hand so there may be variations in gap size from one creation to another, or between stones, or even between motifs
Thanks so much for explaining, I hope my SA could give me this type of answer
 
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Thanks so much for explaining, I hope my SA could give me this type of answer
We shouldn't expect much from SAs apart from making our shopping experience pleasant.

I only know this because one of my subjects in college was called Materials Science. It's already in nerdy territory.

I also forgot to mention that gold expands as well, so the gap accounts for that.
 
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