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I know which massive pile-up incident you are referring to; I'm happy to take this discussion offline, but I have every reason to believe that was not an error and the bag was not authentic. I have otherwise authenticated hundreds of other Chanels on the forum in the past, but unfortunately was put off by the way that the one disagreement was handled and decided it wasn't worth my time contribution, until I saw the gaping need today.

No offense taken. Keep in mind these comments by experts are opinions at best. It is impossible to be certain with photos. I don't care if it was 3 vs. 1 in terms of opinions - it is STILL possible that the three are wrong. Or vice versa. The only way to know for sure is to procure the bag. At the time, if I recall correctly, without a shadow of a doubt there was something very off about that bag.

Also, this goes to my other point - I have been collecting Chanel for decades and I would never dare comment on something without being pretty darned sure. That being said, I was most put off by the fact that none of those who publicly disagreed asked me why I was so convinced the bag was fake. Good authenticators will be curious to know why someone points something out. Always.

To Nikki_'s point, any mod who has concerns about me authenticating on AT Chanel, should let me know, and I am happy to not authenticate and save the time I meant to put in to fill in the temporary hole.







The bag you deemed as a fake was deemed as authentic by CB, Ellechim25, Ltm51 who are known Chanel authenticators and also Mon and Sophie at Etincelerauthentications. The bag was taken to and accepted by Chanel for a loose thread and a spa service.

It wasn't a pile up, it was because the authenticators wanted to give and accurate opinion to the buyer.


















 






The bag you deemed as a fake was deemed as authentic by CB, Ellechim25, Ltm51 who are known Chanel authenticators and also Mon and Sophie at Etincelerauthentications. The bag was taken to and accepted by Chanel for a loose thread and a spa service.

It wasn't a pile up, it was because the authenticators wanted to give and accurate opinion to the buyer.





















Okay, that's enough. One of the reasons for this thread being created was to make sure that authenticators are being treated with respect and consideration.

That there was a disagreement in the past about conflicting authenticity determinations does not give members the right to rake an authenticator over the coals.

The mods and admins have taken a LOT of criticism from you in this thread, Zippie, but unless you can authenticate Chanel, you are absolutely not equipped to truly question or challenge Roku or any other authenticator's viability.

This will not be tolerated and posts of that nature will be removed.
 
I'm going to state this very obvious note every once in awhile because I think it's very obvious but very important.

There are two things you need to be careful of when purchasing a bag online:
1) that the bag in the photos is authentic
2) that the bag in the photos is the bag you will be receiving


While authenticators can help with #1, it's up to you to make sure of #2. Whether it be due diligence, going to a reputable seller, or using a secure form of transaction (e.g., PayPal, Ebay, credit card, etc., if the seller is new to you).

Other things to check for:

  • Professional looking photos, amateur seller - make sure you don't have an amateur (non-professional, meaning, this doesn't look like a business, but an individual selling their own bags) with professional photos - sites like Portero and Malleries have millions of photos of bags up for the taking for anyone to pull a bait and switch and post it on Ebay with their own watermark. Joe Schmoe saying they are getting divorced and selling their wife's bags or grandma's old bags and they have beautiful studio photography is fishy
  • "I only accept wire transfer / bank wire or cashier's check" - I am happy to send a reputable seller bank wire if they accept it as an option (often they will let you save at least 3%), but only if I know the seller, and not to a stranger. More importantly, these trusted vendors offer wire transfer as ONE option, not THE ONLY option. Meaning, they still take paypal, credit card, etc, it's just I'M the one wanting to save 3% and pay with wire
  • "This was a gift from a friend" - it happens, but rarely, that authentic bags for thousands of dollars are given as gifts from a friend. Again, it's possible, but the majority of these gifts are fake
  • Make sure the seller actually has the bag in hand. Many sellers are now doing their own "drop shipping" where they are pre-selling a bag by taking another seller's listing (often from Japan) and posting photos (lots on Tradesy) and then when it sells for their higher price, they will buy from the cheaper seller and then wait for it to arrive to them, then they ship to you. Ask for another photo and make it specific if you suspect this. When I'm buying a croc Hermes bag for example, not only do I want photos, sometimes I'll ask for a phone snap of it next to today's paper. I know, who gets the actual paper nowadays, but you get the point. You want to know not just that it's real but that person with the listing actually has that bag, in their hand.
  • Make sure all photos are of the same bag and not from multiple listings. I see listings all the time where the photos aren't even from the same bag
  • If you see multiple listings from a seller where all multiple backgrounds are different, that can be a red flag too. Usually when you are listing stuff from your closet, they have a similar back drop of your living room, bedroom, or wherever.
  • 100% positive Ebay feedback of an impressive number, but when you look at their SELLER history, it's 0 (all positive buyer feedback), or for selling 500 different small item listings for $0.99. But all of a sudden, the seller has 10 to 30 bags for sale, like they have been doing this forever. The Ebay account was likely purchased on the black market or hacked, and they are "borrowing" the account for a quick set of scams, temporary paypal and bank account, and then they will run with your money.
Do not be fooled by:

  • A sales receipt. Receipts are nothing and they also sell in the underground market for like $50 apiece, I hear. Same thing with boxes, dust bags, etc.
  • If the seller claims there is a certificate from Etinceler, etc., ask to see it, then contact that authentication site and make sure they authenticated that bag. They won't charge you just to confirm that indeed they issued that certificate. Etinceler on their site reports that there are scammers who are faking their own certificates
  • Guaranteed authentic or your money back. Duh. Like they have another choice? This should go without saying because it's the law! Lots of sellers guarantee authenticity, even knowing they are selling fakes, because all they need to do is issue a refund, and they are betting that 2 out of 3 buyers still won't get their superfake checked out, so they still come out ahead
  • Statement of where the bag was purchased. Don't feel relieved just because someone tells you where they bought the bag (Chanel boutique in Chicago). This could also be a lie. I once purchased a fake Chanel where the owner swore up and down that the bag was purchased from Neiman Marcus. It was such a bad fake, too, and the more I told her it was fake the more she got upset that she purchased it herself.
Protect yourself! Breaks my heart reading through the "I was scammed" posts...


This really deserves its own thread in here!
 
^ Agreed! The problem is that most people who know enough to come to the Ebay Forum probably are savvy enough not to do most of those things (or the stories on this forum will probably scare the sense into them!) but most scammed members are probably those who don't even know this Ebay Forum exists (or find their way here by recommendation after something happens). I recommend something like this under the "Shopping" subforum of each major high end brand forum...
 
There are plenty of stickied threads here. Not that anyone ever reads them (or does a search) before starting their own special thread.

Fewer do than should, but some do! It's just the ones that don't that stick out.

For those who do read, I added the post to the first page of the Safety Tips thread.
 
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This is a post that I would really like Megs to respond to, please.
I have been an active tPFer for the past seven years. On the whole, I have enjoyed being a part of the forum and I have made some wonderful friends here - some of whom have gone on to be IRL friends.
Have there been things about tPF that have upset or annoyed me during this time? Of course there have, but I recognise that The Purse Forum is a business - ultimately the aim is to make a profit for the owners. Just as it should. We all know that in business, you will sometimes lose employees (in this case, members) and although it can be upsetting to lose good people, it is the nature of any business. Someone else comes along to fill the gap and life goes on.
Anyway - I think it's fair to say that in my time as a member here, I have not been one to court drama or snarkiness. In those threads where there has been unpleasantness, I've kept my head down - not poking my nose too far above the parapet. I mention this as I would like you to understand this post is not one I am making on a whim - I have given some thought on whether I should post here at all.
Up until recently, I thougt tPF was a safe, happy place where people were treated with respect.
This thread has been a real eye-opener for me - which brings me to the point of this post. I simply do not understand why the member who was so offensive to one of our authenticators (from memory, this was happening as recently as February this year) that the authenticator left, why this member - in a move clearly sanctioned by mods and admin - is now authenticating here herself. I am genuinely puzzled as to how this could be allowed. I would love to hear an explanation because at the moment, this decision is telling me there is no loyalty towards those who have done their best to help at tPF and no support for members who are verbally abused here. A NastyGram and a warning are not enough when members are being insulting and rude to others, let alone rewarding them for such behaviour. In my opinion, this is a decision that does not show tPF in a good light. I would go further and say I believe this has cost the board a significant part of its integrity.
I hope (but doubt) this post will be allowed to stand unedited - if it is allowed to stand at all. I would like to point out I am just stating my own opinion, albeit one that I am given to understand is shared by many other members here.
 
This is a post that I would really like Megs to respond to, please.
I have been an active tPFer for the past seven years. On the whole, I have enjoyed being a part of the forum and I have made some wonderful friends here - some of whom have gone on to be IRL friends.
Have there been things about tPF that have upset or annoyed me during this time? Of course there have, but I recognise that The Purse Forum is a business - ultimately the aim is to make a profit for the owners. Just as it should. We all know that in business, you will sometimes lose employees (in this case, members) and although it can be upsetting to lose good people, it is the nature of any business. Someone else comes along to fill the gap and life goes on.
Anyway - I think it's fair to say that in my time as a member here, I have not been one to court drama or snarkiness. In those threads where there has been unpleasantness, I've kept my head down - not poking my nose too far above the parapet. I mention this as I would like you to understand this post is not one I am making on a whim - I have given some thought on whether I should post here at all.
Up until recently, I thougt tPF was a safe, happy place where people were treated with respect.
This thread has been a real eye-opener for me - which brings me to the point of this post. I simply do not understand why the member who was so offensive to one of our authenticators (from memory, this was happening as recently as February this year) that the authenticator left, why this member - in a move clearly sanctioned by mods and admin - is now authenticating here herself. I am genuinely puzzled as to how this could be allowed. I would love to hear an explanation because at the moment, this decision is telling me there is no loyalty towards those who have done their best to help at tPF and no support for members who are verbally abused here. A NastyGram and a warning are not enough when members are being insulting and rude to others, let alone rewarding them for such behaviour. In my opinion, this is a decision that does not show tPF in a good light. I would go further and say I believe this has cost the board a significant part of its integrity.
I hope (but doubt) this post will be allowed to stand unedited - if it is allowed to stand at all. I would like to point out I am just stating my own opinion, albeit one that I am given to understand is shared by many other members here.

Excellent Post!
Whilst I have no problem with the words "moving on" and get over it...
With such singing praise to one, the moral story of this thread feels like an insult to some :nogood: JMHO
 
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