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I would hope that someone taking information from here and using it against a valued member, even elsewhere, especially pretending to be the valued member, would be enough to be banned, especially if the abuse started here. But, I am not a mod or authenticator.


But, we can't just ban a member because someone says they are doing something on another forum. There is no proof who is behind other screen names on other sites. Someone could come to Megs tomorrow and say you are running a muck under the screen name "happy friday" and you should be banned. Is that fair?

Getting in a spat here, has never been a bannable offense, unless the member is warned and continues to cause trouble. Most likely everyone in this thread (including myself) would have been banned if getting into a disagreement was grounds for a ban. The member was warned and the drama had stopped. Aside from a he said/ she said situation off TPF that is not provable in any way.
 
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But, we can't just ban a member because someone says they are doing something on another forum. There is no proof who is behind other screen names on other sites. Someone could come to Megs tomorrow and say you are running a muck under the screen name "happy friday" and you should be banned. Is that fair?

Getting in a spat here, has never been a bannable offense, unless the member is warned and continues to cause trouble. Most likely everyone in this thread (including myself) would have been banned if getting into a disagreement was grounds for a ban. The member was warned and the drama had stopped. Aside from a he said/ she said situation off TPF that is not provable in any way.



MY gawd, this happened in the AT Chanel thread. It started here and ended here.
 
But, we can't just ban a member because someone says they are doing something on another forum. There is no proof who is behind other screen names on other sites. Someone could come to Megs tomorrow and say you are running a muck under the screen name "happy friday" and you should be banned. Is that fair?

Getting in a spat here, has never been a bannable offense, unless the member is warned and continues to cause trouble. Most likely everyone in this thread (including myself) would have been banned if getting into a disagreement was grounds for a ban. The member was warned and the drama had stopped. Aside from a he said/ she said situation off TPF that is not provable in any way.

From what I understood, this member represented themselves as the tpf member using their tpf ID. I understand the inability to take action on an off forum activity. However, if it is an obvious harassment, I would hope it would be addressed. If I went on another forum and announced myself as little rock from TPF and caused issues that reflected on you, I would hope someone from here would have a "talk" with me.

That all said, it is the past and it looks like the future will have more communication and that should help!
 
from what i understood, this member represented themselves as the tpf member using their tpf id. I understand the inability to take action on an off forum activity. However, if it is an obvious harassment, i would hope it would be addressed. If i went on another forum and announced myself as little rock from tpf and caused issues that reflected on you, i would hope someone from here would have a "talk" with me.

That all said, it is the past and it looks like the future will have more communication and that should help!



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Megs, I say in all seriousness (and you know how hard it is for me to be serious) that I am at least one of the authenticators here that has seen changes for the better in the past few months as a result of this discussion. That tells me that you guys are indeed making an effort. I've been here for 9 years this month and we've been through a LOT together. Maybe that makes it easier to try to work things out. When there's so much time invested in something, it's not easy to just walk away.

So basically, you and Vlad will have me *****ing at you for every new change and color scheme for years to come.*



*Told you it's hard for me to be serious. :smartass:


I wouldn't have it any other way!!!

Thank you for your continued support and helping show us the issues many faced so we could make changes!
 
I'd love to provide a couple of facts to help... it didn't happen in the Chanel thread, it occurred OFF tPF and the members ID here was not used there. None of that drama was ever on tPF. It was only shared via PM with one of us.
 
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And that brings me to the current issue regarding Dooney and Bourke where I'm the only authenticator. This evening, we were scolded for "chatting" when it wasn't really chat but rather, expanding on an authentication I'd done in which I mentioned the type of leather used on the bag.

You've said the individual ATs can run in a way that works both for the membership and for the authenticators, why doesn't this one work? I honestly don't believe that any of the posts were reported because the Dooney members have such a small attendance and most there seem to soak up anything they can learn!!
#5673 - http://forum.purseblog.com/dooney-a...e-please-use-the-118342-127.html#post28827151

And here's the authentication followed by the "chat" being referred to:
#5666 - http://forum.purseblog.com/dooney-a...e-please-use-the-118342-126.html#post28822922

I seriously don't see a problem with this and part of this "to the letter" adherence to the rules is what frustrates authenticators!

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Sorry me asking the thread to stop chatting is automatically called "scolding" :sad:
People reported it and some of the posts removed were pretty off topic, specifically I remember a post that was pointing out fakes that no one asked about {would be suited for the fakes thread}. I also remember shopping discussion - asking about prices paid, etc. . .
None of your posts were removed but others were, perhaps you didn't see the off topic comments?

It's really, really hard to make everyone happy all the time, I wish everyone knew how badly we wish we could make every member and authenticator here completely happy.
It's hard to know, with as many forums as we have, who doesn't mind some chat, who wants a completely chat-free AT thread, etc. . .
I didn't post a friendly reminder in malice and I certainly never meant it as a scolding and your posts were never the one{s} I was posting a reminder for.
I apologize for the delay in my response.

Between finally having nice weather and spending time outside, we got a new puppy and training and walking him 6+ times/day have cut into my computer time. (Actually, that's a really good thing!) Plus, I wanted to make sure I prepared a post that accurately reflected what I wanted to say.

I want to clarify that my intention wasn't to accuse Swanky of lying but in rereading my post, I can see how it was interpreted that way. In hindsight, I certainly could have worded my post in a less accusatory way because it was simply my frustration talking and it came out in a way that wasn't as tactful as it might have been.

Seeing what I considered to be seemingly innocuous posts removed for chatting was frustrating, partly because those types of posts are made on a fairly regular basis and partly because there are so few active participants on the Dooney subforum that removing their posts might cause them to walk away from TPF, thereby leaving even fewer people there.

But honestly, it so surprised me that someone (especially a regular contributor) on a subforum with so few participants would report. (Now I wonder why they reported! But that's another topic for another day.) There have been other similar somewhat OT posts on the thread and they were never removed in the past so this time, it stood out.

I do agree with others who have agreed that the AT threads are running more smoothly than in the past. In fact, there were some posts that I'd HAD reported on Dooney where semi-authentications were being done by someone whose determinations of authenticity (or not) were flawed, incomplete or based on inaccurate information. And in those cases, the posts were removed very promptly.

Since each AT runs differently and authenticators have different views on what they want to authenticate, whether items have to have viewable links or if they can be
personal purchases, whether they want to help sellers either accused of selling a fake or those wanting to verify items before listing, I wonder whether it might be practical to allow the authenticators to write post #1 stating their "rules."

That way, those who don't mind minimal chat, seller discussions, previous history, etc. can
let it be known from the getgo how they feel about it.

While I understand the need for rules and consistency across the board, a little flexibility is nice too if it works for those members who post there.

Again, I apologize for the implication of a lie. It's not the first time I've expressed something that didn't come out as I'd hoped.

I'll also state (at this time) that I (personally) certainly don't mind chat when it relates to the subject at hand.

If at some point another authenticator comes along who doesn't like it, the subject can certainly be reevaluated.

And in cases where mods aren't "into" the brand, I need to keep in mind that they aren't mind readers. :smile1:
 
I apologize for the delay in my response.

Between finally having nice weather and spending time outside, we got a new puppy and training and walking him 6+ times/day have cut into my computer time. (Actually, that's a really good thing!) Plus, I wanted to make sure I prepared a post that accurately reflected what I wanted to say.

I want to clarify that my intention wasn't to accuse Swanky of lying but in rereading my post, I can see how it was interpreted that way. In hindsight, I certainly could have worded my post in a less accusatory way because it was simply my frustration talking and it came out in a way that wasn't as tactful as it might have been.

Seeing what I considered to be seemingly innocuous posts removed for chatting was frustrating, partly because those types of posts are made on a fairly regular basis and partly because there are so few active participants on the Dooney subforum that removing their posts might cause them to walk away from TPF, thereby leaving even fewer people there.

But honestly, it so surprised me that someone (especially a regular contributor) on a subforum with so few participants would report. (Now I wonder why they reported! But that's another topic for another day.) There have been other similar somewhat OT posts on the thread and they were never removed in the past so this time, it stood out.

I do agree with others who have agreed that the AT threads are running more smoothly than in the past. In fact, there were some posts that I'd HAD reported on Dooney where semi-authentications were being done by someone whose determinations of authenticity (or not) were flawed, incomplete or based on inaccurate information. And in those cases, the posts were removed very promptly.

Since each AT runs differently and authenticators have different views on what they want to authenticate, whether items have to have viewable links or if they can be
personal purchases, whether they want to help sellers either accused of selling a fake or those wanting to verify items before listing, I wonder whether it might be practical to allow the authenticators to write post #1 stating their "rules."

That way, those who don't mind minimal chat, seller discussions, previous history, etc. can
let it be known from the getgo how they feel about it.

While I understand the need for rules and consistency across the board, a little flexibility is nice too if it works for those members who post there.

Again, I apologize for the implication of a lie. It's not the first time I've expressed something that didn't come out as I'd hoped.

I'll also state (at this time) that I (personally) certainly don't mind chat when it relates to the subject at hand.

If at some point another authenticator comes along who doesn't like it, the subject can certainly be reevaluated.

And in cases where mods aren't "into" the brand, I need to keep in mind that they aren't mind readers. :smile1:


Thanks for posting BB. Everyone knows how hard you work here to help people in so many ways.

Sometimes what's on-topic and not can be subjective. We are not trying to come down with the iron fist when we "clean things up" but instead just try to make the threads easy to wade through. Previous similar discussions were likely never reported and therefore not removed. That's not to say your point isn't completely valid. It totally is.

I do think in slower forums, more leeway can be given for chat as long as it pertains to the subject at hand. Seller history, specifics about the item, etc seem right in line. We may do a little of this in CL and Mansur Gavriel also.

I appreciate you letting us know that this was an issue, and now we can approach certain forums that operate similarly better as we are better informed.
 
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The power of nice weather and a puppy.
Thanks!
Thanks for posting BB. Everyone knows how hard you work here to help people in so many ways.

Sometimes what's on-topic and not can be subjective. We are not trying to come down with the iron fist when we "clean things up" but instead just try to make the threads easy to wade through. Previous similar discussions were likely never reported and therefore not removed. That's not to say your point isn't completely valid. It totally is.

I do think in slower forums, more leeway can be given for chat as long as it pertains to the subject at hand. Seller history, specifics about the item, etc seem right in line. We may do a little of this in CL and Mansur Gavriel also.

I appreciate you letting us know that this was an issue, and now we can approach certain forums that operate similarly better as we are better informed.
Thank you for understanding. I try to post straightforward and to-the-point posts and sometimes the choice of words imply something that wasn't intended.

Again, while I was very much disturbed in the post, I think I tend to forget that mods don't follow the specific threads like those who post there.
On a happier note...congrats BB on the new puppy and our fabulous weather! [emoji190]
Thank you. He's a real sweetie though sometimes I wonder what I got myself into. Then he curls up on my lap, licks my face and I answer my own question about why we chose a puppy.
 
I'd love to provide a couple of facts to help... it didn't happen in the Chanel thread, it occurred OFF tPF and the members ID here was not used there. None of that drama was ever on tPF. It was only shared via PM with one of us.

Swanky, I'm confused - I saw the posts when it happened. The "drama" absolutely started here. CB was attacked and posts deleted, then continued in another forum and back to this forum. That is the reason CB took a break the first time. I will drop it now because this is going nowhere and I'm sure it will not end good for me if I keep bringing it up.
 
I respectfully disagree on what happened, I was unfortunately dragged into it without knowing. And since I was involved via PM and it happened to me I'd rather not play it out now, it was 9 months ago...
 
Swanky, I'm confused - I saw the posts when it happened. The "drama" absolutely started here. CB was attacked and posts deleted, then continued in another forum and back to this forum. That is the reason CB took a break the first time. I will drop it now because this is going nowhere and I'm sure it will not end good for me if I keep bringing it up.

It helps to know what has happened to cause hurt to one of our most generous members, generous of time and expertise and spirit, to spend countless hours over the years helping other members of this forum. It matters, and it's important to know so hopefully it doesn't happen again.

All of our authenticators and the members that try to help them do what they do are invaluable. Seeing some of them leave is disheartening.
 
It helps to know what has happened to cause hurt to one of our most generous members, generous of time and expertise and spirit, to spend countless hours over the years helping other members of this forum. It matters, and it's important to know so hopefully it doesn't happen again.

All of our authenticators and the members that try to help them do what they do are invaluable. Seeing some of them leave is disheartening.

I wholeheartedly agree.
 
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