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#646
JustAgUrL said:
I tend to be rather wordy when I am really tired.. :D
and I have not slept yet, so, sorry, this is a bit long.


actually, there were 2 of these threads on the topic of who should be able to authenticate. One of these Authentication Threads was started by a
person who is not a Authenticator, a newer member, who was rightfully concerned about a newer member who was authenticating LV or Chanel.

Ok, so now I have to ask, since you did bring it up twice... :smile1:
I'm just curious, why should this be hidden from the view of the
general members?
at least that is what I am getting from your comments, that you feel that
this is NOT a good topic for OPEN discussion? That this should
just be between the authenticators and the Mods?

IN my opinion, when ANYBODY new and old, can post and share their ideas and concerns, they feel MORE like a community, and more like they are being heard. Like they belong. This helps to grow a better community for EVERYBODY.

Also, the fact that this thread gave MANY authenticators and members
who frequent the AT threads a place to post their concerns, has been a HUGE
help. Some members can now see WHY some of the Authenticators took
"Vacations".... and also see some of the frustrations that authenticators
face on a day to day basis.

In my humble, yet VERY important opinion... ;) There is NOTHING on this thread that should offend any of the members, except for of course, the fact that Authenticators were being treated in a disrespectful manner, that is offensive.

The Mistreatment of LONG TIME Members, Experts in authenticating bags and shoes, etc.. who spend their FREE time giving out FREE advice, to help buyers from being ripped off is always offensive.

Now that you have said that you didn't mean that NON At's wouldn't have helpful input, I am trying to figure out why you felt that this should be a thread for Authenticators only?

You did say:
This thread should be private for AT only.......hash it out, figure it out, then make a forum that works for you all.

Is it that you feel that if the authenticators are going to complain,
that they should keep it among themselves, as to not offend other members?


On a side note, over half of the comments on this thread are from Members who are not authenticators.
also, MANY great ideas came from Newer Members and Non-Authenticators.
When this thread was started, MANY of the Authenticators were on Vacation,
out of frustration. IN fact, I wrote to a few of them myself, and directed them to this thread. I can bet, that I am not alone in that, I bet other General Members also
brought this thread to some of the authenticators attention. Had it not be so public, that may not have happened.

also, it was many of the NON-Authenticators who came forward and
brought up how the authenticators were being treated.
Sometimes it helps to
have the General Public, also chine in, if they have seen people act in an ugly manner.
It is one thing to have many authenticators come forward with these types of complaints, BUT, when you have NEWER members who have also witnessed this behavior, come forward with the same complaints, it tend to add some weight to the issue, and reinforces what the Authenticators were saying.

anyway, these are my reasons as to why I am glad that this was an open topic. :smile1:

BUT, again, I'm very curious, as to why you or anybody else would feel that this
would have been better to have it a Private Thread amongst the Authenticators only? :smile1:
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To tell you the truth, that's what I thought this thread was for as that is the name..."tpf authenticator discussion". A place for the authenticators to discuss issues and figure out better ways of handling problems they are having.
 
#647
jmcadon said:
To tell you the truth, that's what I thought this thread was for as that is the name..."tpf authenticator discussion". A place for the authenticators to discuss issues and figure out better ways of handling problems they are having.
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OK, this is how I understand it... :smile1:

actually, if I recall correctly, it started from another thread that was
started by a newer member who was concerned that on the LV AT thread
there was a member who was authenticating when they had only just signed up
and had a post count of 48..

http://forum.purseblog.com/louis-vu...-the-authenticators-on-this-forum-899131.html

Around this same time, NUMEROUS authenticators had left,
LV was short, if I recall.... Chanel had nobody, and Prada also Nobody
or at the very least was very short.
Of course many of the authenticators had VERY good reason to be upset,
so I totally understand why they had taken a break.

Being that so many were on break when the thread was started, it was many Non-Authenticators who came forward and informed the thread of how the authenticators were being treated in a disrespectful manner, and that this is why so many of them left all around the same time.

Being that the question was, "How does one become an authenticator here on tPF?"
At the time, there was no set guidelines as to how or why somebody should be trusted with stepping into a thread to start authenticating. So, at the time,
it was thought that it was acceptable that anybody was free to give their opinions even if they only had just signed up, and had a post count of 50.

Also, being that the more Trusted Authenticators here are not always Moderators, there was no easy way to make this a Private Thread, since the Trusted Authenticators have the exact same memberships as the rest of the members.
They are not always Mods, so they don't have a Hidden Back room to discuss this
in a more private manner.

So, it became a thread where MANY Non-Authenticators shared their concerns as well, as authenticators. Many Non-A's were very concerned that there were Newbe's authenticating on threads, this shed a lot of light on how many were
starting to question the rules of allowing newer members to authenticate when nobody knew of their background. This also shed some light on how it was frustrating for the long time members who have been authenticators, and the
pushback that they were facing.


I hope that made sense, I'm blind, and can't find my glasses, so I hope that
I wrote this correctly, and it made sense... :D
 
#648
jmcadon said:
To tell you the truth, that's what I thought this thread was for as that is the name..."tpf authenticator discussion". A place for the authenticators to discuss issues and figure out better ways of handling problems they are having.
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It was actually a "random" title that was given to this portion of the other thread at the point it was split into a separate thread, if that makes sense.

Since the splitting of the original thread, this new thread has been all over the map with regard to authenticating, who should, who shouldn't, what can be done to change/improve the AT threads, and most importantly (to me, anyway) giving each and every authenticator on tPF the support of the mods/admins of this forum. Many of us have been sick to death of being told to "make nice" by mods/admins when some snarky person jumps on us when said snarky persons don't like our AT comments. I resent being told to be nice when someone is attacking me, plus the added insult of the "nastygrams" and the "point system" that comes along with the "make nice" business.

I speak for myself here, but I know most of the authenticators here feel pretty much the same way: we'll put up with a lot of crap from people, but when that crap comes from the mods/admins, we walk. Several of us only came back when we were given assurance that we would see support from the powers that be here. I'm still testing the water, but it's early yet.
 
#649
Prada Psycho said:
It was actually a "random" title that was given to this portion of the other thread at the point it was split into a separate thread, if that makes sense.

Since the splitting of the original thread, this new thread has been all over the map with regard to authenticating, who should, who shouldn't, what can be done to change/improve the AT threads, and most importantly (to me, anyway) giving each and every authenticator on tPF the support of the mods/admins of this forum. Many of us have been sick to death of being told to "make nice" by mods/admins when some snarky person jumps on us when said snarky persons don't like our AT comments. I resent being told to be nice when someone is attacking me, plus the added insult of the "nastygrams" and the "point system" that comes along with the "make nice" business.

I speak for myself here, but I know most of the authenticators here feel pretty much the same way: we'll put up with a lot of crap from people, but when that crap comes from the mods/admins, we walk. Several of us only came back when we were given assurance that we would see support from the powers that be here. I'm still testing the water, but it's early yet.
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I'll probably get in troublle (again) for this, but I'm honestly at the point where I don't really care anymore.

I was slapped (again), TWICE this week for telling off another member who repeatedly posts against me. Like literally almost every post, she has something to say about it.

My crime? Telling her I don't need her business and reminding her I have perfect stats as an eBay seller in a very hard catagory. How positively *****y of me. Such drama!

I had two posts removed, plus I got a not-so-nice note with with slap(s).

Granted, it was not in the AT thread, it was here in this forum, but to PP's post above, no it has not changed.

It's ridiculous that some members are allowed to needle other members and when we push back, we get the slap/nasty gram combo.

Tranpsarency? How about letting us see who slapped us, instead of the generic moniker.

ETA: actually, I'm pretty sure I know who slapped me, just based on the love note I got with it. SMH
 
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#650
It really is upsetting that I am still seeing unhappy authenticators and so far no changes that I can see. If the long time experienced authenticators decide to leave for good it will definitely effect the traffic on this forum and everyone will lose. I have been a member for a long time and have seen many members get away with insults and then some people are scolded for doing much less. Actually it happened in another thread this week. There are a lot of members and there will always be drama but I think the "bread and butter" authenticators should be supported more than they are.
 
#651
Prada Psycho said:
It was actually a "random" title that was given to this portion of the other thread at the point it was split into a separate thread, if that makes sense.

Since the splitting of the original thread, this new thread has been all over the map with regard to authenticating, who should, who shouldn't, what can be done to change/improve the AT threads, and most importantly (to me, anyway) giving each and every authenticator on tPF the support of the mods/admins of this forum. Many of us have been sick to death of being told to "make nice" by mods/admins when some snarky person jumps on us when said snarky persons don't like our AT comments. I resent being told to be nice when someone is attacking me, plus the added insult of the "nastygrams" and the "point system" that comes along with the "make nice" business.

I speak for myself here, but I know most of the authenticators here feel pretty much the same way: we'll put up with a lot of crap from people, but when that crap comes from the mods/admins, we walk. Several of us only came back when we were given assurance that we would see support from the powers that be here. I'm still testing the water, but it's early yet.
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missbanff said:
I'll probably get in troublle (again) for this, but I'm honestly at the point where I don't really care anymore.

I was slapped (again), TWICE this week for telling off another member who repeatedly posts against me. Like literally almost every post, she has something to say about it.

My crime? Telling her I don't need her business and reminding her I have perfect stats as an eBay seller in a very hard catagory. How positively *****y of me. Such drama!

I had two posts removed, plus I got a not-so-nice note with with slap(s).

Granted, it was not in the AT thread, it was here in this forum, but to PP's post above, no it has not changed.

It's ridiculous that some members are allowed to needle other members and when we push back, we get the slap/nasty gram combo.

Tranpsarency? How about letting us see who slapped us, instead of the generic moniker.

ETA: actually, I'm pretty sure I know who slapped me, just based on the love note I got with it. SMH
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Yup.

There is definitely a double standard. It is sad to see long time posters with years of actually providing help to others get treated so shabbily while the newcomers with minimal contributions get a pass. I guess the point system mentioned only applies to demerits-----nothing to do with acknowledging/factoring in years of above and beyond service. Sort of like how Ebay treats its sellers.

zippie said:
It really is upsetting that I am still seeing unhappy authenticators and so far no changes that I can see. If the long time experienced authenticators decide to leave for good it will definitely effect the traffic on this forum and everyone will lose. I have been a member for a long time and have seen many members get away with insults and then some people are scolded for doing much less. Actually it happened in another thread this week. There are a lot of members and there will always be drama but I think the "bread and butter" authenticators should be supported more than they are.
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IKR----it seems so obvious
 
#653
You don't need to be a brain surgeon to see what some posts are - IMO, passive aggressive, hypocritical and argumentative while not answering direct questions - that should be addressed and stopped by the mods.

I, too, thank those that provide a substantial contribution to this site while putting up with this. Missbanff you're not the only one I see having a follower that rebuts and double posts what you do - BB has a follower too and it's been more than annoying and troublesome. I wish it would stop, it contributes nothing to making everyone feel welcome and getting the assistance they need. And after all, that IS the purpose of the AT and Ebay threads - people seeking free assistance so they can either not lose money, help recover money or deal with problems that they need to stay focused on.

And could you imagine this site without the free authentications? Notice the views on those threads? The lurkers are in the thousands, at a minimum. That's real money on an advertising supported site.
 
#654
Prada Psycho said:
It was actually a "random" title that was given to this portion of the other thread at the point it was split into a separate thread, if that makes sense.

Since the splitting of the original thread, this new thread has been all over the map with regard to authenticating, who should, who shouldn't, what can be done to change/improve the AT threads, and most importantly (to me, anyway) giving each and every authenticator on tPF the support of the mods/admins of this forum. Many of us have been sick to death of being told to "make nice" by mods/admins when some snarky person jumps on us when said snarky persons don't like our AT comments. I resent being told to be nice when someone is attacking me, plus the added insult of the "nastygrams" and the "point system" that comes along with the "make nice" business.

I speak for myself here, but I know most of the authenticators here feel pretty much the same way: we'll put up with a lot of crap from people, but when that crap comes from the mods/admins, we walk. Several of us only came back when we were given assurance that we would see support from the powers that be here. I'm still testing the water, but it's early yet.
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Whoa...I admit, the Choo forum has a great mod! She does nothing but support me. But it is a pretty slow forum so I don't get many snarky remarks. Thanks for explaining the background as I had no idea this was going on!
 
#655
JustAgUrL said:
OK, this is how I understand it... :smile1:

actually, if I recall correctly, it started from another thread that was
started by a newer member who was concerned that on the LV AT thread
there was a member who was authenticating when they had only just signed up
and had a post count of 48..

http://forum.purseblog.com/louis-vu...-the-authenticators-on-this-forum-899131.html

Around this same time, NUMEROUS authenticators had left,
LV was short, if I recall.... Chanel had nobody, and Prada also Nobody
or at the very least was very short.
Of course many of the authenticators had VERY good reason to be upset,
so I totally understand why they had taken a break.

Being that so many were on break when the thread was started, it was many Non-Authenticators who came forward and informed the thread of how the authenticators were being treated in a disrespectful manner, and that this is why so many of them left all around the same time.

Being that the question was, "How does one become an authenticator here on tPF?"
At the time, there was no set guidelines as to how or why somebody should be trusted with stepping into a thread to start authenticating. So, at the time,
it was thought that it was acceptable that anybody was free to give their opinions even if they only had just signed up, and had a post count of 50.

Also, being that the more Trusted Authenticators here are not always Moderators, there was no easy way to make this a Private Thread, since the Trusted Authenticators have the exact same memberships as the rest of the members.
They are not always Mods, so they don't have a Hidden Back room to discuss this
in a more private manner.

So, it became a thread where MANY Non-Authenticators shared their concerns as well, as authenticators. Many Non-A's were very concerned that there were Newbe's authenticating on threads, this shed a lot of light on how many were
starting to question the rules of allowing newer members to authenticate when nobody knew of their background. This also shed some light on how it was frustrating for the long time members who have been authenticators, and the
pushback that they were facing.


I hope that made sense, I'm blind, and can't find my glasses, so I hope that
I wrote this correctly, and it made sense... :D
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Thanks for the info. I do agree with what all the authenticators here have said. We should be supported and the mods should not allow upset, vindictive members to hassle us. The Jimmy Choo forum is so slow that doesn't happen much. The mod for the Choo forum is fantastic as well.
 
#656
poopsie said:
Yup.

There is definitely a double standard. It is sad to see long time posters with years of actually providing help to others get treated so shabbily while the newcomers with minimal contributions get a pass. I guess the point system mentioned only applies to demerits-----nothing to do with acknowledging/factoring in years of above and beyond service. Sort of like how Ebay treats its sellers.





IKR----it seems so obvious
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+1 definitely agree. The excuse is the newcomers need to be acquainted with the system and therefore are allowed passes when they make their snarky remarks (because they don't know better). The seniority members, on the other hand, should already know better, thus, will be held more accountable when they speak up to defend themselves because that equates to being combative.

There is really so much one can take. I'll try to be courteous the first few times, but if I was attacked all the time in a heavily trafficked forum/thread, I'd be fuming too.
 
#657
No one should be rude/mean/name-calling to another member, not a newbie or a long time member. We really don't want that here and when we see it, we typically delete the back and forth. Sometimes those members receive a reminder about it as well. I know it seems like a childish request when I say things like "be kind to one another, no drama", but with a big forum I do want us to have a set of rules we all follow and being nice and respectful is one of these.

That being said I know that people are not all going to get along, people will argue, people will disagree, and some people will really really just rub you the wrong way. That's totally to be expected!

I think because of how we've handled certain situations, it seems like what I am telling you all is that if someone is mean to you just let them be mean to you. I didn't intend to say it that way. If someone is mean to you, you can tell them "hey', you're being mean and that's not necessary, I don't appreciate that, etc" (obviously with your own spin). But if you respond more aggressively it may wind up being taken wrong by a mod/myself. Remember, when I get a reported post and come into the thread, I may have never seen this thread - so I'm taking it with fresh eyes and may not be getting the entire scenario.

I want everyone to have fun here! And I am always figuring out a better way to do things, and I learn so much from those who point out faults in this set up. I believe I've been very receptive to what's being said about the AT threads, I've been as responsive as I can with these threads, and I continue to work on how to make it better for everyone involved. I do think changes have been made, and I can assure each of you as authenticators you are welcome to contact me at any time and I will help best I can.
 
#660
Prada Psycho said:
Definitely. In a lot of ways, THAT annoys me as much or more than the nastygram/points!! It's not like they don't know who WE are! :rolleyes:
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Were you quoting me? I did not make that remark... I agree if someone complains about you, you should be able to know who it is! At least then you can tell the story from your point of view. I am hoping this can all be fixed because it would be a shame to lose some our best authenticators.
 
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