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I agreed, at least in ATLV, which is where I am the most. I have been to Bal's AT a couple of times. I still think we need to hold people posting request accountable. You don't follow the rules, your post get deleted. They will either eventually learn the rules or they will disappear and not post at the AT thread anymore. We shouldn't have to spoon feed adults how to do a fairly simple and straightforward task.
I am even willing to do some howto screenshots if Mods want me to (for ATLV). But in the end people still have to bother reading.
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I agree!!! I have been on AT Chanel, LV, prada, Hermes thread & have not seen authenticators being rude or combative, to a point when I see members who are passive aggressive to them, I wanted to jump in to defend them!
For once I have never seen colorful belle being snarky & rude but I have seen members who are challenging why their items do not get authenticated. But I do agree that it is better now in ATC thread.
Allow me to correct myself - I misread the original question.
Of course some of the authenticators have their own paid service, but they are not paid by PurseForum for their help in the AT thread on TPF.
Apologies!
Yes, it's easy to stand at the sidelines & tell people what to do when they are not the ones doing this day in day out facing people who don't follow rules, demanding services & taking it personal when u ignore them. And yes, you can suggest but don't force it down in people's throat!
Vlad popped in to clarify, and as I caught up I knew there was a misunderstanding with what he said. We do know of authenticators that have their own companies to authenticate on the side, we do not however pay anyone on tPF to authenticate.
I've said this many times in this thread and want to reiterate - we are very lucky to have so many great authenticators. I can do my best and will continue to do my best when it comes to making sure the AT threads run smoothly for both sides, the authenticators and the members.
I understand why people are upset that an authenticator skips over them or doesn't give them more info, but I must reiterate, it is up to every individual authenticator to help as much or as little as they want for whatever reason. Each authenticator is different, and that is totally fine, but it means that in one sub you may get someone helping you when it's your first post and in another you won't get help unless you've been a member for a little while and contributed elsewhere.
I have us working on some ways to help authentication threads going forward in the works, but as that won't happen right away, I will keep the lines of communication open and make sure I do my part to make it as easy as possible for everyone involved.
I've said this many times in this thread and want to reiterate - we are very lucky to have so many great authenticators. I can do my best and will continue to do my best when it comes to making sure the AT threads run smoothly for both sides, the authenticators and the members.
I understand why people are upset that an authenticator skips over them or doesn't give them more info, but I must reiterate, it is up to every individual authenticator to help as much or as little as they want for whatever reason. Each authenticator is different, and that is totally fine, but it means that in one sub you may get someone helping you when it's your first post and in another you won't get help unless you've been a member for a little while and contributed elsewhere.
I have us working on some ways to help authentication threads going forward in the works, but as that won't happen right away, I will keep the lines of communication open and make sure I do my part to make it as easy as possible for everyone involved.
No matter what you do there will always be people who are not happy or want to state their opinion. If you are not an authenticator, you have no idea! That being said, I still don't want anyone to pay $$$$ for a fake. Maybe we need a thread for authenticators only so others who have an opinion but don't really know the drill can stop commenting and we can figure out a solution without all the drama.
I suggested that waaaaay back in this thread but it was shot down. Makes sense to me! This thread should be private for AT only.......hash it out, figure it out, then make a forum that works for you all.
True, because someone who is not an authenticator would have no good ideas when it comes to setting up rules and protocols. Someone who simply reads the threads or has experience on other sites would not have any valuable input. smdh
OK, I apologize for being snarky, but that struck me the wrong way.
Thanks for the apology but that's not what I said at all. Twisting someone's words or making 'inferences' is seldom helpful.
I thought this thread was started to help out the AT's run their sub-forums more smoothly. I don't remember saying anywhere that those who aren't AT's have nothing substantial to add.
Apples and oranges......
I tend to be rather wordy when I am really tired..
and I have not slept yet, so, sorry, this is a bit long.
actually, there were 2 of these threads on the topic of who should be able to authenticate. One of these Authentication Threads was started by a
person who is not a Authenticator, a newer member, who was rightfully concerned about a newer member who was authenticating LV or Chanel.
Ok, so now I have to ask, since you did bring it up twice...
I'm just curious, why should this be hidden from the view of the
general members?
at least that is what I am getting from your comments, that you feel that
this is NOT a good topic for OPEN discussion? That this should
just be between the authenticators and the Mods?
IN my opinion, when ANYBODY new and old, can post and share their ideas and concerns, they feel MORE like a community, and more like they are being heard. Like they belong. This helps to grow a better community for EVERYBODY.
Also, the fact that this thread gave MANY authenticators and members
who frequent the AT threads a place to post their concerns, has been a HUGE
help. Some members can now see WHY some of the Authenticators took
"Vacations".... and also see some of the frustrations that authenticators
face on a day to day basis.
In my humble, yet VERY important opinion...
There is NOTHING on this thread that should offend any of the members, except for of course, the fact that Authenticators were being treated in a disrespectful manner, that is offensive. The Mistreatment of LONG TIME Members, Experts in authenticating bags and shoes, etc.. who spend their FREE time giving out FREE advice, to help buyers from being ripped off is always offensive.
Now that you have said that you didn't mean that NON At's wouldn't have helpful input, I am trying to figure out why you felt that this should be a thread for Authenticators only?
You did say:
This thread should be private for AT only.......hash it out, figure it out, then make a forum that works for you all.
Is it that you feel that if the authenticators are going to complain,
that they should keep it among themselves, as to not offend other members?
On a side note, over half of the comments on this thread are from Members who are not authenticators.
also, MANY great ideas came from Newer Members and Non-Authenticators.
When this thread was started, MANY of the Authenticators were on Vacation,
out of frustration. IN fact, I wrote to a few of them myself, and directed them to this thread. I can bet, that I am not alone in that, I bet other General Members also
brought this thread to some of the authenticators attention. Had it not be so public, that may not have happened.
also, it was many of the NON-Authenticators who came forward and
brought up how the authenticators were being treated.
Sometimes it helps to
have the General Public, also chine in, if they have seen people act in an ugly manner.
It is one thing to have many authenticators come forward with these types of complaints, BUT, when you have NEWER members who have also witnessed this behavior, come forward with the same complaints, it tend to add some weight to the issue, and reinforces what the Authenticators were saying.
anyway, these are my reasons as to why I am glad that this was an open topic.
BUT, again, I'm very curious, as to why you or anybody else would feel that this
would have been better to have it a Private Thread amongst the Authenticators only?
I find the whole set-up for authentications very 'clunky' here which I why I pay for professional authentications elsewhere.
Please, please, please no offense meant but since other's are being honest here I thought I'd give my own 2 cents.
When you pay for an authentication you simply mail your photos to the service and it seems very seamless......that's not the case many times on here so for under $10 (usually but not always), for ME anyways it's totally worth the small fee to go another route. I've had issues using photo bucket or similar sites which I find frustrating.
In reading through this thread it's also obvious that the AT's pick and choose who they will help which is a bit off-putting IMO. Disagree with someone's post, no AT for you!
Another reason I go elsewhere.
In fact, the more I think about it the more I think that perhaps this should have been a hidden discussion between the authenticators and the forum admins.
None of the rest of us need (or should) know how unhappy and disgruntled many of the AT's are......or at least seem to be based on many of these comments.
Now I know many are just venting and trying to make things better, but until the format for AT's here is changed I can't see it getting better, can you?
Many AT complain about those who can't seem to "follow the rules" posted. You do know that there are at least 10 steps required? And on top of that if one is new to Tpf they have to have participated in X amount of discussions first.........it's downright daunting to a newbie.
Because many have been on here for so long I can see how all of that can be taken for granted...second nature kind of thing.
Not making excuses, just stating facts.
Anyhow, doesn't matter to me since I won't be requesting AT's on this forum but just a heads up from one person's perspective.
Hope everyone has a great weekend!!!!
Hmmm. Weren't you just trying to get an LV authenticated about a week before this post? A little disingenuous one week later to say you "always" go elsewhere for authentications when that clearly isn't the case. If the methods here are so clunky, why do you use them and then disavow them and say you never use them? A little strange.
I for one am extremely grateful to our authenticators. I think they do a wonderful job. Especially when they have to cope with the same people who ask for their help a week later being publicly critical of their methods.
I tend to be rather wordy when I am really tired..
and I have not slept yet, so, sorry, this is a bit long.
actually, there were 2 of these threads on the topic of who should be able to authenticate. One of these Authentication Threads was started by a
person who is not a Authenticator, a newer member, who was rightfully concerned about a newer member who was authenticating LV or Chanel.
Ok, so now I have to ask, since you did bring it up twice...
I'm just curious, why should this be hidden from the view of the
general members?
at least that is what I am getting from your comments, that you feel that
this is NOT a good topic for OPEN discussion? That this should
just be between the authenticators and the Mods?
IN my opinion, when ANYBODY new and old, can post and share their ideas and concerns, they feel MORE like a community, and more like they are being heard. Like they belong. This helps to grow a better community for EVERYBODY.
Also, the fact that this thread gave MANY authenticators and members
who frequent the AT threads a place to post their concerns, has been a HUGE
help. Some members can now see WHY some of the Authenticators took
"Vacations".... and also see some of the frustrations that authenticators
face on a day to day basis.
In my humble, yet VERY important opinion...
The Mistreatment of LONG TIME Members, Experts in authenticating bags and shoes, etc.. who spend their FREE time giving out FREE advice, to help buyers from being ripped off is always offensive.
Now that you have said that you didn't mean that NON At's wouldn't have helpful input, I am trying to figure out why you felt that this should be a thread for Authenticators only?
You did say:
This thread should be private for AT only.......hash it out, figure it out, then make a forum that works for you all.
Is it that you feel that if the authenticators are going to complain,
that they should keep it among themselves, as to not offend other members?
On a side note, over half of the comments on this thread are from Members who are not authenticators.
also, MANY great ideas came from Newer Members and Non-Authenticators.
When this thread was started, MANY of the Authenticators were on Vacation,
out of frustration. IN fact, I wrote to a few of them myself, and directed them to this thread. I can bet, that I am not alone in that, I bet other General Members also
brought this thread to some of the authenticators attention. Had it not be so public, that may not have happened.
also, it was many of the NON-Authenticators who came forward and
brought up how the authenticators were being treated.
Sometimes it helps to
have the General Public, also chine in, if they have seen people act in an ugly manner.
It is one thing to have many authenticators come forward with these types of complaints, BUT, when you have NEWER members who have also witnessed this behavior, come forward with the same complaints, it tend to add some weight to the issue, and reinforces what the Authenticators were saying.
anyway, these are my reasons as to why I am glad that this was an open topic.
BUT, again, I'm very curious, as to why you or anybody else would feel that this
would have been better to have it a Private Thread amongst the Authenticators only?
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