"The Rich New York Women Who Love Their Fake Birkins" article in The Cut - thoughts?

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If you read the link @cakeymakeybakey posted, you'd see most of them are constantly in fear of being ripped-off and talking about quality issues.

In my little brain, I just think, if there was a pilgrimage-worthy place/factory where perfect bags were being churned out, time after time, on a par with Hermes, undetectable, readily available and 10% of the price, I think we would at least have a single/group whispered name that we'd heard of. To me the land of the super-fakes remains a place of mythology.

If I had such a factory, so many excellently skilled artisans (or even one) access to superior skins and hw, might I not just design and create my own high-end line and charge at least double rather than risk getting shut down and dealing with all manner of nonsense? :shrugs:

The mark-up on hermes bags is so high that it's apparently quite possible to get a good enough and steady income doing it. What you are describing more or less already happened, except the price was likely not 10% of the original for the regular leather bags. They saved money on marketing and such as Hermes already did that for them ;)

"several of its own employees were intimately involved in the budding criminal enterprise, providing those authentic materials and overseeing the manufacturing of the eye-poppingly expensive handbags. The result came in the form of counterfeit bags of almost unprecedented quality."

There are many former H artisans running their own workshops, but establishing themselves in the market place with their own designs is incredibly difficult, expensive and risky, and requires completely different skills than setting up a production facility that makes high quality bags.
There's a reason why we have seen so many revival brands in recent years, people love the story telling even if the current products being made have no connection to the production of old times (Moynat is a great example, also Patou, Schiapparelli, Mugler etc. etc.). New names are not as popular and are incredibly difficult to establish. Most people would prefer a highly recognizable brand to a well crafted bag with no brand name, if not Chanel would no longer be selling bags and artisan based ateliers would explode in business, and really these forums would probably look more like depiedencap sorted by style of bag with a do-it-yourself area and not by brands.

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I see that The Cut is really plugging this article on Instagram on its feed and in its stories, and it's getting traction with many popular handbag bloggers and influencers. Of the 501 comments on IG, my favorite so far has to be, "Hey The Cut, I'm working on a story about $100 Amazon wedding gowns from illegal importers. No tags. Toxic formaldehyde laced fabrics."

Clearly someone else is calling bulls*t on running this loony toons story.
 
Some gems from the article:

It is, however, tight-knit with a distinct culture marked by a kind of derision for authentic goods and the belief that buying replicas is a way of subverting the system and sticking it to the man; reps “take a **** on the you can’t sit with us mentality of designer brands,” as one RepLady put it in a post.

“I don’t just want a thing; I want to feel like I’ve gotten it for a deal.”She claims to own “hundreds, probably thousands of reps” including nearly a hundred bags and a rep Bulgari necklace set that cost more than $10,000. (The real thing can run you over $75,000.)

Still, most of Lisa’s rich friends ignore her suggestions to buy reps. “It’s just a snobbery thing,” she says. “They’ve literally told me, ‘I’m too good to buy reps.’” Instead, “they’re out here buying authentic Hermès, and they are stressing out every single day. ‘Will I get the bag?’ ‘What if it runs out?’ I’m just like, You literally don’t need this stress in your life; you can just be happy.”

Take Cindy, a stay-at-home mom in Flushing who found her way to reps after spending a couple thousand on a Dior that fell apart at the seams. “Imagine we were just spending all of our money on authentic handbags,” she says. “You would never grow your wealth that way, right?
 
I am from NYC too. My friends don't talk about bags but because of my passion for bags, I've met several other women who love bags as well. When you're talking about very rare hermes bags like for instance mini kellys or exotic bags, at some point if you're active on social media, you will meet like-minded people who also love the same bags. Then you are likely to strike up conversations like "oh! You got the newest shade of the season! Tell me everything about it!"

It's not a way to brag about wealth, more like two like-minded people gushing over a hobby they both enjoy. I kept saltwater fish as a hobby before I got into handbags and if you acquire a rare mushroom coral or a rare angelfish, people will also gush over it and ask where you go it, how you're maintaining it, if you've managed to get it to keep it healthy with the right water conditions.

I went to public school in New York and I went to one which frowns heavily on showing off material items (Stuyvesant High School). When I meet up with my childhood friends, they tolerate my handbag obsession as a weird quirk much like fishkeeping. But on the other hand, I also have my internet friends whom I enjoy talking about bags with. At some point, as an enthusiast, especially if you hang out enough with other handbag lovers, people are going to want to know your bag's story.
Dang IDK if we are the same age but I went to Stuyvesant HS for 2 years before I transfer out to Mamaroneck HS when my family and I moved. But as well I agree I remember showing off your designer items was not very cool in SHS. I didn't meet any bag lovers until I started working in fashion.
 
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Right?!? And the fact that the OP of that thread came back three years later to comment that s/he never got the chance to write the article because of all the negative replies in that thread from the PF community blah blah blah. I loved @Notorious Pink's reply, which was the last one before the thread was locked, and was also kind of a love letter to this forum. :heart:

Thank you so much for the tag! I just reread my post, and tbh I’m pretty happy with it…I must have been ”on my game” that day! I absolutely meant it then, and now.

I am looking forward to reading through this thread tomorrow - I already plan to write a PB article on this topic (took a glance at the Cut article yesterday). Heads up - this is the area of law I had been considering practicing when I was at law school (I co-created the school’s Intellectual Property organization and somehow got SCOTUS Justice Kennedy to visit and speak with the law school through the group I started), so I definitely have opinions on this topic!

more tomorrow!
 
The mark-up on hermes bags is so high that it's apparently quite possible to get a good enough and steady income doing it. What you are describing more or less already happened, except the price was likely not 10% of the original for the regular leather bags. They saved money on marketing and such as Hermes already did that for them ;)

"several of its own employees were intimately involved in the budding criminal enterprise, providing those authentic materials and overseeing the manufacturing of the eye-poppingly expensive handbags. The result came in the form of counterfeit bags of almost unprecedented quality."

There are many former H artisans running their own workshops, but establishing themselves in the market place with their own designs is incredibly difficult, expensive and risky, and requires completely different skills than setting up a production facility that makes high quality bags.
There's a reason why we have seen so many revival brands in recent years, people love the story telling even if the current products being made have no connection to the production of old times (Moynat is a great example, also Patou, Schiapparelli, Mugler etc. etc.). New names are not as popular and are incredibly difficult to establish. Most people would prefer a highly recognizable brand to a well crafted bag with no brand name, if not Chanel would no longer be selling bags and artisan based ateliers would explode in business, and really these forums would probably look more like depiedencap sorted by style of bag with a do-it-yourself area and not by brands.

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I'm not a supporter of the 'pick a number and triple it' mode of pricing that H and other brands employ. It's not the bags that have the highest mark-ups either, it's the so-called entry-level products. But nor am I a fan of 'choose the lowest price one can think of', 'fake it till you make it' and don't pay any workers either. Fake factories don't tend to subscribe to legislation on sustainability, environmental impact and ethical fashion.

Can't comment in general, although I know a lot of Italian artisans have side hustles and sell in markets like the one in San Larenzo, Florence, but according to the article all the factories are "in the middle of nowhere" in China, so I'm guessing unless lots of former H employees relocated to Inner-Mongolia this is not the case here :wondering:
 
Dang IDK if we are the same age but I went to Stuyvesant HS for 2 years before I transfer out to Mamaroneck HS when my family and I moved. But as well I agree I remember showing off your designer items was not very cool in SHS. I didn't meet any bag lovers until I started working in fashion.
very cool! It is awesome you work fashion!!
@Notorious Pink looking forward to your article as always!!
 
The article is a very telling sign of the times. I took my youngest son to the orthodontist yesterday to get his braces removed and then they took him to fit him for his retainers and used a 3d digital scanner to get an exact image of his teeth and gums to make the custom retainer. A simple 3d image of a deconstructed Birkin bag would give a counterfeiter the exact details that they would need to construct a duplicate. I am sure that some of these Chinese factories get incredibly good material and hides to make the “super-fakes”. If Hermes doesn’t start micro-chipping their bags, it’s going to get to a point that boutiques won’t be able to tell real vs. fake and the bags stamps will need to compared to the manufacturing ledgers to confirm one way or the other. Putting a small chip into a bag that a boutique could read would give the company and its customers peace of mind.
 
A simple 3d image of a deconstructed Birkin bag would give a counterfeiter the exact details that they would need to construct a duplicate. I am sure that some of these Chinese factories get incredibly good material and hides to make the “super-fakes”.

This is OT, but I'll say I'm not convinced of this. No need to elaborate why.
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To topic: The article's premise is that the ultra rich have a hobby of pursuing "good" fake bags and do so competitively. To me that's the nonstarter. Sure, people of any tier are buying fakes, but I think the story is sensationalized.
 
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Thank you so much for the tag! I just reread my post, and tbh I’m pretty happy with it…I must have been ”on my game” that day! I absolutely meant it then, and now.

I am looking forward to reading through this thread tomorrow - I already plan to write a PB article on this topic (took a glance at the Cut article yesterday). Heads up - this is the area of law I had been considering practicing when I was at law school (I co-created the school’s Intellectual Property organization and somehow got SCOTUS Justice Kennedy to visit and speak with the law school through the group I started), so I definitely have opinions on this topic!

more tomorrow!
Ooooohh, cannot wait for this. :popcorn:
 
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