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Hi musicguy, welcome to the Hermès subforum of the Purse Forum.

I suspect that you'll find most luxury brands, e.g., Hermès, Louis Vuitton, Rubinacci, John Lobb, Puiforcat, Breitling, etc. try to perpetuate the image of exclusivity in order to maintain the mystique and caché of their respective houses.

Why is brand exclusivity important? Because it's human nature to want what is difficult to attain, expensive, or in limited supply, and a luxury brand's financial success is dependent on that. Why do people want to drive a Mercedes or Range Rover instead of a Toyota Camry or Jeep Grand Cherokee? Partly because of the intrinsic value of the item -- its engineering, safety, reliability, resale value -- and partly because of the perceived value -- the exclusivity, the luxurious quality of the item, the personal wealth one must have in order to possess the item.

The same holds true for Hermès products. Not only are they ridiculously expensive, they are also extremely well-made, and have the kind of hand-crafted luxury that makes them coveted items for the aficionado. There is also a certain amount of insider information that goes with the territory of each brand's mystique -- the code, the terminology, the inside scoop. Knowing the secret handshake generates a certain amount of clout for the possessor.

Poor Mr. mafoofan was trying to gain entry to the Hermès club without knowing the secret handshake. He admitted himself in the first bit of dialog that he was not particularly familiar with the brand nor the various designs. Can you imagine how quick your buying trip to the Aston Martin showroom would be if you admitted the same level of ignorance about that brand? "Hi, I'm interested in a metallic blue Aston Martin car." "Are you interested in the DB9 Volante, or the Vantage Roadster, or perhaps the One-77?" "Well, I don't really know much about the cars, I just know this is a good brand, and I want it in metallic blue." :roflmfao:

It simply isn't done that way. Nor is it possible to be completely uninformed about any luxury brand and expect a sales associate to take one seriously.

Now it does seem that perhaps Hermès needs to send some of their staff to etiquette refresher school so as not to waste an inordinate amount of time in sending the not-so-subtle message to Mr. mafoofan et al that there's a certain way to approach a purchase in the flagship store of an extremely coveted brand.

It probably would have allowed him to trim about seven paragraphs from his tale of failure.

Hope this helps.

Cakey.....you're my hero!
 
Thank you for the comment and the welcome. I feel like a bit of a fraud on here (as I know NOTHING about purses and can barely contribute anything outside of this thread).

The "most" exclusive leather items that I've had are from Mulberry and I once wasted money on a Prada wallet which fell apart after a few months. So that would probably place me just slightly below the lowest level of member of this site (said without reading any other thread).

Having said that, I have purchased some nice bags for a couple of my ex girlfriends (Don't ask me what though).

So, could anyone point me to some interesting places to look at on Purse Forum? I'm unlikely to be purchasing a bag or purse (my gf would kick my head in if I bought her a bag for £50). So, just something with pictures would be nice:D

Thanks

Clint


Hi Clint,
I too agree with your post. As for pictures, hmm..how about the jewelry thread, or the wardrobe thread? ;)

Cheers.
 
Hi Clint,
I too agree with your post. As for pictures, hmm..how about the jewelry thread, or the wardrobe thread? ;)

Cheers.

Thanks for your direction. [FONT=&quot]Jewellery is probably not something that I can identify with (the ONLY jewellery I own are watches). However, clothing....

Way past my bedtime. Goodnight all of you H loving people!! May you all be blessed with gifted Special Orders in the near future.

Clint
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Hi, ladies. Another SFer here (my wife is a regular at this forum).

As someone who's experienced poor customer service at Hermes before, I think the logic is pretty straightforward when Foo asked for a particular styled wallet in a specific color:

1. It is available
2. It is not available, but could be available elsewhere (let me check and let you know)
3. It is not available here or elsewhere, but can be custom ordered
4. It cannot be custom ordered unless you're a regular customer (or know our secret handshake)
5. It cannot be custom ordered, period.

However you slice it, she is a sales associate who failed miserably at her job. It is not rocket science -- she is selling handbags and scarves, for cryin' out loud.

Just how difficult is it? Some of the responses here seem to talk about Hermes as if it is an elitist, exclusive club, but fail to account for basic human courtesy and respect.
 
I see both sides here. The SA asked for his contact information, but he wouldn't let it go. The SA spent 20 minutes searching for it, no?

Hi, ladies. Another SFer here (my wife is a regular at this forum).

As someone who's experienced poor customer service at Hermes before, I think the logic is pretty straightforward when Foo asked for a particular styled wallet in a specific color:

1. It is available
2. It is not available, but could be available elsewhere (let me check and let you know)
3. It is not available here or elsewhere, but can be custom ordered
4. It cannot be custom ordered unless you're a regular customer (or know our secret handshake)
5. It cannot be custom ordered, period.

However you slice it, she is a sales associate who failed miserably at her job. It is not rocket science -- she is selling handbags and scarves, for cryin' out loud.

Just how difficult is it? Some of the responses here seem to talk about Hermes as if it is an elitist, exclusive club, but fail to account for basic human courtesy and respect.
 
I see both sides here. The SA asked for his contact information, but he wouldn't let it go. The SA spent 20 minutes searching for it, no?

One can spend hours studying for an exam, but if one fails the exam, none of it matters.

She could not even give him a definitive answer, which could simply have been --

1. A definitive answer (yes or no)
2. A time-line for a definitive answer
3. An escalation point to ensure he got a definitive answer

All he got were vague statements.

Since the Purse Forum consists of some intelligent, well educated women with busy professional lives, I ask you this: How would you react if someone who worked for you acted the way the SA did? This is worse than incompetence -- it is indifference to the outcome.
 
Bristol is on here too? What a riot!


My rant, if you will, is not sexist. If you know the textbook definition of sexism, and also know the modus operandi of the big "luxury" companies, it is they who are sexist. Relaying this information to you does not make so. It's important to note that I have a mother, sisters, and perhaps one day will have a daughter; would I think of them in that way? I work with some extremely intelligent and innovative individuals who are women, so I have no negative opinion of the potential and realized intellect of women. I do not think of women who do not work badly either, as a women's biological calling in life is very different (and more consuming) than a man's.

The fact of the matter is, if you yourself are an accomplished woman, you dislike the type of women I mention (celebrities, and those born with money but no taste) more-so than I do.

However, the luxury companies know exactly who their customer is, and I have seen demographic reports and marketing strategies. Their "bread-and-butter" customers are the wives, girlfriends, and daughters of successful men.

When you keep in mind why the aspiring professional women want to buy Hermes, we are back to step one (of the Luxury Brand marketing juggernaut). Those professional women aspire to be like celebrities and wives of wealthy men.

This isn't some giant conspiracy here. Hermes became popular in the states (and therefore, the world) after actresses started to buy their products. These actresses were usually farm girls from the midwest who came to Hollywood in search of fame and fortune; the ultimate aspirational story.

Now, regarding the whole "He should have done his research first!!" attitude:

Guess who is Hermes' #2 customer group after Wives and daughters of the wealthy? The men who shop for them.

Is Hermes really not going to take their business because they do not posses the arbitrary and useless information that is Hermes' product line? Of course not. So, this is not a valid argument whatsoever.

You many call my previous post sexist and drivel, but I challenge anyone of you to refute any of the information I wrote about the "luxury brands". I'm sure people in the various industries mentioned read this site, and they are nodding their heads. It's just not "sexy" marketing to show an Arabic north African immigrant doing sewing work that anyone with a free arm industrial leather sewing machine can do.

edit: Also, my username on styleforum is Icarus, hence my name here. And S'mom, you need better heroes.
 
Well, this all goes back to customer service doesn't it and you can get bad customer service anywhere you go.

The truth is, after reading the OP's detailed exchange it sounded to me like he embellished it a bit for comedy sake....so, I can't take it too seriously.

IF it DID go as he said (and I highly doubt it) the SA should have put a lid on it early on....I always tell my staff not to spend too much time with a customer if it doesn't look like they can make a sale and move on as nicely as possible. THIS is what she should have done.
 
Thank you for the comment and the welcome. I feel like a bit of a fraud on here (as I know NOTHING about purses and can barely contribute anything outside of this thread).

The "most" exclusive leather items that I've had are from Mulberry and I once wasted money on a Prada wallet which fell apart after a few months. So that would probably place me just slightly below the lowest level of member of this site (said without reading any other thread).

Having said that, I have purchased some nice bags for a couple of my ex girlfriends (Don't ask me what though).

So, could anyone point me to some interesting places to look at on Purse Forum? I'm unlikely to be purchasing a bag or purse (my gf would kick my head in if I bought her a bag for £50). So, just something with pictures would be nice:D

Thanks

Clint

We have a small thread for our fabulously chic men and their H:
http://forum.purseblog.com/hermes/space-for-guys-modeling-their-hermes-377429.html

I'm sure there are other threads on the forum - but it's a good place to start
 
Well, this all goes back to customer service doesn't it and you can get bad customer service anywhere you go.

The truth is, after reading the OP's detailed exchange it sounded to me like he embellished it a bit for comedy sake....so, I can't take it too seriously.

IF it DID go as he said (and I highly doubt it) the SA should have put a lid on it early on....I always tell my staff not to spend too much time with a customer if it doesn't look like they can make a sale and move on as nicely as possible. THIS is what she should have done.

This thread too good to leave. I should be sleeping!!!

I agree that Customer Service can be bad anywhere. However, that is usually as a result of training and motivational issues. If you are going into a store which is supposed to pride itself on providing a unique customer experience, I suggest that bad customer service is something that should not be expected.

I wasn't at the store, so I cannot comment upon what actually happened. However, I do believe that he went there to make a purchase. May I enquire as to what you tell your staff to do in this situation?

Regards

Clint
 
Icarus, I would call the luxury brands capitalists before I would call them sexist. I also believe they understand very well that the best way to make people desire their products is by limiting access to them and creating a sense that only the privileged few can have them. I witnessed people lining up outside LV and Chanel in Paris recently, where potential buyers were limited to a single bag apiece. And saw Hermes telling prospective customers that they would be limited to a single Birkin and Kelly per year. It seems almost counterintuitive - at those prices, turning people away, in this economy?

And yet, I think in the case of Hermes in particular, if the bags really were seen on the arm of every actress and celeb and wannabe, their desirability would plummet. People always want what they can't have, and want what they think only they can obtain over others.

At the end of the day, it's extremely expensive leather (some might say overpriced, with justification) and yes, there is no excuse for rude service anywhere.
 
Geez, I WISH my significant other would buy me a high-end thing or two or my father (when he was alive) for that matter.....but, alas, I buy them for myself. The upside of this is that I get exactly what I want!

I guess I'm in some other demographic or marketing report....
 
We have a small thread for our fabulously chic men and their H:
http://forum.purseblog.com/hermes/space-for-guys-modeling-their-hermes-377429.html

I'm sure there are other threads on the forum - but it's a good place to start

Thank you very much for the link.

I initially thought that you were joking when I read the thread link. How wrong was I? I doubt that I'll be owning a H bag anytime soon. However, if I need some pointers, the thread above is a good place to start.

If truth be known, I've found quite a few interesting places here. I'm just not brave enough to contribute.

Thanks again

Clint
 
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I hear ya, s'mom! Same here. We have our own business, and I certainly buy my own H. (bags, anyway)

Geez, I WISH my significant other would buy me a high-end thing or two or my father (when he was alive) for that matter.....but, alas, I buy them for myself. The upside of this is that I get exactly what I want!

I guess I'm in some other demographic or marketing report....
 
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