Actually u would be surprised. Newbies read these threads and think that 5:1 is the “market rate”. So, some might go into the store and start pre spending around that kind of amounts. Additionally, at the stores, some SMs “award” bags according to highest pre spend. Say if both customers want the same specs, they give to the one who spent the most. If they keep seeing people who spend 3:1, 4:1, 5:1….that probably becomes the norm as time goes by….wouldn’t it?
Spend threshold for B/K/C
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If it were established that there is a rule that equates spend ratio with the certainty of being able to buy a quota bag, the concern that some of us have expressed about would have less point;
but there isn't.
I would hope that everyone is aware of how they spend their money.
Without individual awareness and control of our finances great problems and sadness arise.
When the spend ratio is the primary focus, something has got out of kilter and is distorting what should be a pleasurable activity.
The concern that some of us have expressed is that a defined goal of spend ratio and quota bag acquisition is almost undefinable; there is so often a reason that you have not achieved your goal: just a little bit more; perhaps next month; some have not received their first . . .
but there isn't.
I would hope that everyone is aware of how they spend their money.
Without individual awareness and control of our finances great problems and sadness arise.
When the spend ratio is the primary focus, something has got out of kilter and is distorting what should be a pleasurable activity.
The concern that some of us have expressed is that a defined goal of spend ratio and quota bag acquisition is almost undefinable; there is so often a reason that you have not achieved your goal: just a little bit more; perhaps next month; some have not received their first . . .
I see you're really concerned about people spending money because you believe it will really affect your chances in "scoring" a bag? In which case I'm assuming you don't believe that the mantra that every journey is different.
The belief that you can change prespend ratios of all hermes shoppers through this thread is comical. People are going to spend thier discretionary incomes and some just have way more of it.
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I don't think that's where smoothsailer is coming from, nor has she said that she's concerned this will affect her chances.
She's just stating that if newcomers read these threads and assume that 5:1 is the ratio that they might set that as their expectation and focus on spending that amount in order to score a bag, it might set a new precedent, which isn't really a good one.
She's just stating that if newcomers read these threads and assume that 5:1 is the ratio that they might set that as their expectation and focus on spending that amount in order to score a bag, it might set a new precedent, which isn't really a good one.
I'm saying people have free will and discretionary incomes, they are going to spend it as they see fit. What is the new precedent? That everyone is now going to have to spend 5:1? There are no predetermined ratios, all experiences are different. If someone's is inclined to spend that much, then so be it! I think what makes people upset about the ratios is the effect they believe it will have on thier own outcomes.
To each his own I guess? We can't control what others think or how the stores will react.
Like another poster mentioned, this thread is about spend thresholds so while there's the reality that one's relationship with their SA plays an important part (and also the SM's decision), for someone who might not have developed that relationship, they will just come to the thread and draw their own conclusions. If by doing so they get upset about it then that's just too bad?
I believe everybody’s journey is different. I’m not worried that while others get a bag, it would affect my chances because now I know better how the game is being played.
But as you may be aware, Hermes has really shrouded itself in mystery. We all know if you go up to and SA in a shop who doesn’t know you and start asking about spend thresholds, it will be denied. So many are taking information they see online on platforms such as this as a reference. Some just spend for the sake of getting a quota bag and doesn’t stop until they hit the ratios that is widely rumoured. Some didn’t even express their wish to their SA when they do want to get a quota bag as they read it’s a taboo to speak of it in their first few visits. I am one of those when I began my journey.
Of course, to those who doesn’t care about spending as they really enjoy the items, then it’s good for them. But I’m sure most of us would want to spend reasonably and still get offered. I mean we can’t replicate relationships of others with their SAs, but we can hope that by spending the “market rate” we will get equal chances to score our dream bag.
If someone wants to believe that there's a magic calculator/Rube Goldberg machine/Minority Report Precrime unit at Hermès HQ and that if they hit a certain spend number, a ball with their name on it slides out of the machine and is delivered to their home store, thus enabling then to "score" a "qb"...we are all free to have our own belief systems.
I do wonder how many of the people crying about no bag after a 10:1 spend or whatever are the same folks I see every time I walk into one of the Paris stores - the ones berating the SAs, throwing fits, tossing attitude, and occasionally having full-blown tantrums on the floor of FSH.
I still think being warm and respectful to SAs, who do not currently have a stress-free job, and having good taste in H overall is worth a very large multiple in itself, and I am fine that most don't seem to believe this
I do wonder how many of the people crying about no bag after a 10:1 spend or whatever are the same folks I see every time I walk into one of the Paris stores - the ones berating the SAs, throwing fits, tossing attitude, and occasionally having full-blown tantrums on the floor of FSH.
I still think being warm and respectful to SAs, who do not currently have a stress-free job, and having good taste in H overall is worth a very large multiple in itself, and I am fine that most don't seem to believe this
All this disagreement on this thread is unnecessary.
Is @smoothsailor correct that posting about pre-spend influences newcomers -- yes, it does -- I was a newcomer a year ago and wanted to know how to get a B/K and used this forum to gather information. I would be lying if the pre-spend amounts did not influence me in anyway. I did grow to love Hermes and all of its categories and did receive my first quota bag recently at 1:1.5 for the bag I was offered (k28 sellier touch noir).
Is @lilmermaid264 correct that pre-spend matters and its ok to post it -- yes, it does and yes it is ok, I have a great relationship with my SA and although she has not given me any details that would break their rules, it is clear it does. It is totally ok to keep track of how much you have spent.
All of that being said I do not think @smoothsailor was trying to be mean or judgmental about anything and hopefully we can get to the topic of this thread!
Is @smoothsailor correct that posting about pre-spend influences newcomers -- yes, it does -- I was a newcomer a year ago and wanted to know how to get a B/K and used this forum to gather information. I would be lying if the pre-spend amounts did not influence me in anyway. I did grow to love Hermes and all of its categories and did receive my first quota bag recently at 1:1.5 for the bag I was offered (k28 sellier touch noir).
Is @lilmermaid264 correct that pre-spend matters and its ok to post it -- yes, it does and yes it is ok, I have a great relationship with my SA and although she has not given me any details that would break their rules, it is clear it does. It is totally ok to keep track of how much you have spent.
All of that being said I do not think @smoothsailor was trying to be mean or judgmental about anything and hopefully we can get to the topic of this thread!
I have witnessed this too many times these last few days. One lady was really yelling at the front desk receptionist trying to get her point across about her not being able to get an appointment. Niceness definitely goes much further than anything.
If someone wants to believe that there's a magic calculator/Rube Goldberg machine/Minority Report Precrime unit at Hermès HQ and that if they hit a certain spend number, a ball with their name on it slides out of the machine and is delivered to their home store, thus enabling then to "score" a "qb"...we are all free to have our own belief systems.
I do wonder how many of the people crying about no bag after a 10:1 spend or whatever are the same folks I see every time I walk into one of the Paris stores - the ones berating the SAs, throwing fits, tossing attitude, and occasionally having full-blown tantrums on the floor of FSH.
I still think being warm and respectful to SAs, who do not currently have a stress-free job, and having good taste in H overall is worth a very large multiple in itself, and I am fine that most don't seem to believe this
This.
I think the thought that there is a magic spend ratio/algorithm is absolute bollocks. The thought of mathematically calculating the amount of money one needs to spend in order to be guaranteed a quota bag is absurd.
What I think is forgotten many times is that SAs are real human beings. A lot of what goes into quota bag offers is the relationship. Your attitude. How you carry yourself at your boutique. How you treat your SA. How the SM views you. It is not simply spending X - there are many variables.
I know women who spend yet NEVER receive an offer. I also know for a fact that these are very difficult, demanding women; I cannot imagine how poorly they treat their SAs. One has shown me text messages to her SA that are just downright entitled, demanding, and nasty. Think she will ever get a QB? No, she won't. And she cannot understand it.
These ARE human beings. To reiterate QF's point, being kind and respectful to your SA goes a long way. And honestly, we should all be this way just because it's the right thing to do - not because it will allow us to purchase a desired bag at the end of the day.
From reading this forum I thought in Asia (or at least in Singapore) the prespend actually exists and is acknowledged; once you’ve hit your ratio your SA will submit your name and wishlist to the SM for approval and your prespend ‘resets’ and starts counting for the next QB? Obviously there will still be a waiting period after submission but at least you are somewhat guaranteed a QB this way?
If someone wants to believe that there's a magic calculator/Rube Goldberg machine/Minority Report Precrime unit at Hermès HQ and that if they hit a certain spend number, a ball with their name on it slides out of the machine and is delivered to their home store, thus enabling then to "score" a "qb"...we are all free to have our own belief systems.
I do wonder how many of the people crying about no bag after a 10:1 spend or whatever are the same folks I see every time I walk into one of the Paris stores - the ones berating the SAs, throwing fits, tossing attitude, and occasionally having full-blown tantrums on the floor of FSH.
I still think being warm and respectful to SAs, who do not currently have a stress-free job, and having good taste in H overall is worth a very large multiple in itself, and I am fine that most don't seem to believe this
I agree 1000% we should treat people with kindness and dignity - some customers just act foolish. I'll admit there is an inherent danger in spend ratios generally because it does cause a sense of entitlement, not saying for all but for some. It breeds resentment.
It hasn't changed my opinion of the brand, and i was frustrated because I couldnt buy more. My overall spend is down y-o-y. There was no inventory for anything.
I'm curious what others' are seeing, anyone seeing above and beyond 5:1 this year? Or is 5 generally where everyone has stopped counting lol.
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