Spend threshold for B/K/C
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I spend over 5X (primarily RTW) between accepted bag offers, and I’m not unusual even among my friends who shop my store. I have not asked for a second bag from my local store this year, nor do I have a wishlist. I’m assuming that a second one will be offered next year. My SA said that second bag depends on what comes in (no rule that they have to be six months apart etc etc). I think it depends on one’s SA; her roster of clients; and her relationship with the SM. Perhaps as much or even more than prespend. (I do get twice annual offers from my FSH SA and all my SAs know of what I end up taking).
It ends up being 5X USD on average. I don’t know what I want next. I expect my SA to find stuff I love that works with stuff I already own. My spend is not super deliberate. I do have a budget, but I love other designers too. And, I’m not a fan of SS2025, (I cannot see myself wearing a lot of mesh as I am 57 lol) so I’ll buy less, but DH likes MtM. My SAs (Madison and FSH) are more likely to offer user friendly everyday bags, not limited edition. And, I definitely do not spend on H exotic. Everyone is different
ETA: in a way, I’m cheap. I don’t want to spend 17K USD for a box leather Kelly or Birkin when I bought 28/30 box and barenia BK during Covid for 7K. I don’t want to spend 17-24K for a blue box offer if I don’t think I’ll get sufficient cost per wear. But, a coat that I’ll wear for the rest of my life, maybe I’ll spend more than someone else would… My FSH spend is low, maybe 0.25 or 0.5 per bag, and I do not accept all offers (usually BK25)
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Hi 880...It ends up being 5X USD on average. I don’t know what I want next. I expect my SA to find stuff I love that works with stuff I already own. My spend is not super deliberate. I do have a budget, but I love other designers too. And, I’m not a fan of SS2025, (I cannot see myself wearing a lot of mesh as I am 57 lol) so I’ll buy less, but DH likes MtM. My SAs (Madison and FSH) are more likely to offer user friendly everyday bags, not limited edition. And, I definitely do not spend on H exotic. Everyone is different
ETA: in a way, I’m cheap. I don’t want to spend 17K USD for a box leather Kelly or Birkin when I bought 28/30 box and barenia BK during Covid for 7K. I don’t want to spend 17-24K for a blue box offer if I don’t think I’ll get sufficient cost per wear. But, a coat that I’ll wear for the rest of my life, maybe I’ll spend more than someone else would… My FSH spend is low, maybe 0.25 or 0.5 per bag, and I do not accept all offers (usually BK25)
That makes sense ..
In fsh when was your last offer ?
What value are you using as your ratio please ?
I'm trying to work out my prespend based on ratio to bag but the bags be costing all different so I'm trying to figure out what value of 1 bag is?
I have pre spend 21 k euro only so is that 2:1?
Hi, Gold Star, I know I am not @880, but I may be able to help with your question. First, @880 and her friends and I shop at US competitive flagship stores. Our prespend experiences are specifically with these US flagship stores, primarily. Because we are NOT bag centric and do not count pre-spend for the purposes of trying to get a bag, we only provide our observation of our pre-spend values when our SA’s tend to surprise us with a QB offer. We do not have wish lists. However, we do love the RTW and tend to shop every season.
My experience with Paris is that there is no pre-spend. However, other people do believe pre-spend has helped them secure a QB offer in Paris. My experience with Paris is they are somewhat aware of your spend potential, ie, high net worth, et al, maybe from your home store profile. I am completely speculating how Hermes knows, but they know. The people who have healthy profiles at their homes stores tend to be treated well in Paris and their pre-spend is minimal to none before walking into the store. They do, however, have an established relationship with a SA, typically buy RTW and are surprised with a bag offer during the appointment.
Pre-spend is never a part of the conversation or issue because it just happens organically.
We only talk numbers re: spend here on TPF to be informative about our experiences.
The values of 2:1 is 2 x €QB prespend : € Cost of QB.
So, based on the information from this forum, 2:1 is more than adequate for Paris for a desired QB, but may not be enough for Madison or Beverly Hills if you want a B/k 25 and you don’t have an established relationship with that store.
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Haute okole ..so kind to respond and give insight . I really appreciate it and will bare in mind thankyou
Thanks to the comprehensive reply of dear friend @haute okole , (I agree 💯 with her) I’ll just add:
My last accepted offer at FSH aaa a few weeks ago. My spend at that time was a silk skirt (3K EU). My offer (the only one she had available to me that she really liked for me) was the sac Kelly elan, etoupe Epsom, ghw. (She said she could also offer a Kelly move? Moo? But she only had bright colors, and she knows im not a fan of brights).
I did get the hint of an imprsssion that if I bought more (and I would have done so if I hadn’t already shopped this seasons collection), that her SM may have unlocked other offers for her to offer me, but it doesn’t really matter. I do shop at FSH by appt twice a year since 2022, and she was on maternity leave for most of that time (so she set me up with a CdC, a kind of SA? Who does appt only).
She’s told me that prespend doesn’t matter bc she’s not on commission, but she knows if she has RTW that works for me (budget/fit/assthetics, that I will certainly purchase). That’s irrespective of bag offers. However, as it turns out, by the time I get to FSH, I normally only buy a few pieces.
My local SA doesn’t mind bc that’s where the bulk of my purchases lie). Between the two, I have had opportunities to buy more than 2 QB annually, but I rarely do that.
I calculate prespend roughly in my homeCurrency 1X=10K USD. The bag I bought (Kelly elan was 6800 EU). I typically get FSH offers of one BK (25 or smaller as per my preference, and one or two non BK). My last offer in February with a substitute SA to my CDC was a B25 dark green touch lizard, ghw and a 32 BB plume, phw (both refused). (On that trip I bought nothing else, mainly bc it seemed that the sub was not inclined to shop RTW with me). But, everyone is different and I would always advise to go by whatever your SA tells you . HTH
Note: both my SA and CdC can shop the entire store with me, but they get help (add a SA, usually the same one) with men’s RTW. My H spend is under DHs name worldwide, and he got me my initial appt and immediately connected to my SA. (While I don’t think this would happen easily today, he really likes talking to SAs and vice versa)
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I have been shopping at BH store for the past 6 years. My first QB was in 2020 and the second QB this month, so yes it is very competitive location. Over the past 3 years I have requested for several other items, and my SA has been telling me there is no inventory, clients want stuff but they don't have inventory. I am saying this from my personal experience, I don't think it's just pre-spend amount, the store needs to have that item in stock to be able to offer you.
Best Luck with your QB
To summarise, I think it varies a lot worldwide.
It seems that obtaining a QB offer (second QB at large flagships/ competitive stores) in the US is reported to be around 3-5X currently, if I am not wrong. I think this is similar in most of Asia.
In Europe it could be not much at all but with the waitlist system, mainly for those considered locals. In Paris especially at FSH with a SA relationship, it could be nothing at all but for newer clients sometimes helped with some purchase across metiers other than leather/ SLGs, mainly to obtain a leather appointment.
Putting aside extremely competitive stores and rare/coveted specs, I wonder if having a larger time gap between QB offers decreases the amount of pre-spend for an offer.
Say you got your 1 QB in 2023, then continued to purchase whatever you liked in 2024 and only put aq WL in 2025 for 2 QB? Would it still be 3-5X or can you get away with a lower ratio because "you are not asking too much too soon"?
At this point I can't say much from my own personal experience regarding the current situation. It was much easier when I started my journey years ago. 🤭
To be honest, I've never encountered such a situation in Paris. That's why I don't know much about the spending issue. In Paris, it’s more about timing. As I mentioned, I bought a C Élan in the summer and also got a Picotin 18, but SM didn’t approve my Kelly request and said it would be after December.
But i quite wonder as tourist how much i need to spend to have Kelly Elan offer in NY
Eventually not getting a bag for so long increases your priority. Its why its so hard to get a second bag in the calendar year; you have to outspend everyone else that wants a second bag AND make it worth while to give you a second while many still haven't even gotten one. This bump in priority probably isn't enough to make one competitive for a super coveted bag (B/K25, mini Kellys) but isn't a bad thing over all. ie all other things equal, someone who has been shopping for a while at a low/med level without a bag offer will be favored over someone who is new and has spent the same in a short period, and over someone who has spent the same and already gotten a qb this year. Its probably still going to be 3-5x but over two years instead of 6 months.
Coming from a competitive store, from what I have seen personally, the spend for a B25/K25 is roughly 3x-5x and a MK is like 4x-5x. I know a few people who got two mini quotas (25cm or less) in one calendar year but then had to wait for nearly a year for their 3rd quota, a MK. I honestly think getting a K28 or B30 is much easier than the 25s or smaller. I got my first boutique offer/bag, a B25, after a 3x spend and shopping on and off for 2.5 years (I had a hiatus with the H game lol, giving up at one point and deciding to buy reseller market, and then switching SAs) but then coming in more regularly the 6 months prior to the offer. I got my 2nd bag, a non-mini bigger bag, as my 2nd for the year at about 2x. Also, I believe the relationship is key, and you need to come in regularly so you are on their mind especially when they get the allocations.
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