Spend threshold for B/K/C

[Tykhe]

A box MK sounds dreamy Which color?

My SA said I was the only client who specifically asked for box so I was first in line to receive it … although he said they don’t get box leather as often, so there was a bit of luck involved.

I wonder why they didn’t just offer the bag to someone who asked for a neutral bag without specifying a leather type, though.

Maybe the TPFers with more experience can chime in

It is black. I think my SA has been looking to offer me a box bag for a while. Years ago, when I brought up my interest in Barenia my SA immediately redirected the conversation to box. I think I am a little scared of box but overall, it is stunning and I don’t regret purchasing it. I think I just need to build up my courage to take it out of the house. I get the impression that my SA was looking to offer that bag to someone who was less likely to complain about care of the leather. I recalled them saying that a lot of people have issues with box and Barenia because it is prone to scratches that they spa it frequently because of it. I was wearing my ostrich bag the day the offer came so maybe they figured if I could deal with ostrich, box won’t be that bad? This is all my speculation so take it with a grain of salt.

 

[horselove]

A box MK sounds dreamy Which color?

My SA said I was the only client who specifically asked for box so I was first in line to receive it … although he said they don’t get box leather as often, so there was a bit of luck involved.

I wonder why they didn’t just offer the bag to someone who asked for a neutral bag without specifying a leather type, though.

Maybe the TPFers with more experience can chime in

I have a feeling they offer special leathers to people who specifically ask for them, rather than just offer it to anyone who is open to anything

 

[papertiger]

Back to the topic of the thread please, TY

 

[Gin&H]

I wanted to check what fellow members are using as the denominator when discussing the prespend ratio? Is it 10k or is it the current price for the QB in a “normal” leather like Togo/epsom?

I'm asking this because while I wasn't actively counting my own prespend before my QB (don't think I wanted to know the damage to my cc), of course the topic of prespend comes up whether it’s on this forum or on other platforms and I want to make sure I’m being accurate/transparent if someone asks about my own experience or is asking for guidance about expected prespend…I know it’s probably semantics but I don’t want to accidentally misconstrue or misguide a fellow member. I’m a newer member and I think I assumed the denominator was the current cost of a “regular” leather. I’m just now realizing I might have been wrong…because you know what happens when you assume hah. Thanks everyone in advance for continuing to take the time to share your knowledge

 

[880]

I use 1X = 10K USD bc it’s easy I’ve been reading various local shopping threads, and it doesn’t seem unusual to see 3X-5X plus for a B25 neutral. . .

5X plus being my own experience (though i explain it more clearly in the Ny thread: post 4388, https://forum.purseblog.com/threads/hermes-new-york-city-stores.666239/page-293

And 3X being on the low side (in PNW and BH threads to give two examples, and with members on those threads telling me that 4X plus is more likely than 3X).

Some have told me that there are reports of newcomers to the brand getting a Qb at 1X, but if so, I’m not aware of them getting a size 25 or mini neutral colorway. My own SAs have told me that it’s possible for size 35 plus if there is one in stock, and a new request comes in at tjr right time. There was a report of this happening at madison earlier this year for a classic B35. I haven’t heard of anyone in the US getting 25BK definitively at 2X on a regular basis. JMO, YMMV.

 

[Gin&H]

I use 1X = 10K USD bc it’s easy I’ve been reading various local shopping threads, and it doesn’t seem unusual to see 3X-5X plus for a B25 neutral. . .

5X plus being my own experience (though i explain it more clearly in the Ny thread: post 4388, https://forum.purseblog.com/threads/hermes-new-york-city-stores.666239/page-293

And 3X being on the low side (in PNW and BH threads to give two examples, and with members on those threads telling me that 4X plus is more likely than 3X).

Some have told me that there are reports of newcomers to the brand getting a Qb at 1X, but if so, I’m not aware of them getting a size 25 or mini neutral colorway. My own SAs have told me that it’s possible for size 35 plus if there is one in stock, and a new request comes in at tjr right time. There was a report of this happening at madison earlier this year for a classic B35. I haven’t heard of anyone in the US getting 25BK definitively at 2X on a regular basis. JMO, YMMV.

Haha yeah might as well keep it easy! It’ll be my justification to buying a few more RTW to round up! Kidding…sort of lol

Agree I’ve read that B25 and K25 have the highest prespend unfortunately and anything less than 3x would be the exception rather than the norm. Thank you @880 for sharing knowledge across the regions to give perspective. H as a whole is just competitive.

I can only speak to my experience of getting my B30 at 2:1 but of course I’ve ready B30s are “easier” to get and it may have been them trying to lure a newer customer and it’ll probably be a long drought til my next offer. I think for my sanity I’m going to try to bury my head in RTW. I’m afraid to count my prespend and would rather be surprised when I get a bag and then realize “oh sh** I guess I’ve spent enough…” haha

 

[benjinito]

I wanted to check what fellow members are using as the denominator when discussing the prespend ratio? Is it 10k or is it the current price for the QB in a “normal” leather like Togo/epsom?

I'm asking this because while I wasn't actively counting my own prespend before my QB (don't think I wanted to know the damage to my cc), of course the topic of prespend comes up whether it’s on this forum or on other platforms and I want to make sure I’m being accurate/transparent if someone asks about my own experience or is asking for guidance about expected prespend…I know it’s probably semantics but I don’t want to accidentally misconstrue or misguide a fellow member. I’m a newer member and I think I assumed the denominator was the current cost of a “regular” leather. I’m just now realizing I might have been wrong…because you know what happens when you assume hah. Thanks everyone in advance for continuing to take the time to share your knowledge

Just a thought … but why don’t we just say the amount? I never fully understood the purpose of the “ratio”.

 

[880]

5X plus being my own experience (though i explain it more clearly in the Ny thread: post 4388, https://forum.purseblog.com/threads/hermes-new-york-city-stores.666239/page-293

And 3X being on the low side (in PNW and BH threads to give two examples, and with members on those threads telling me that 4X plus is more likely than 3X).

Some have told me that there are reports of newcomers to the brand getting a Qb at 1X, but if so, I’m not aware of them getting a size 25 or mini neutral colorway. My own SAs have told me that it’s possible for size 35 plus if there is one in stock, and a new request comes in at tjr right time. There was a report of this happening at madison earlier this year for a classic B35. I haven’t heard of anyone in the US getting 25BK definitively at 2X on a regular basis. JMO, YMMV.

^ 5X being my own experience for B25 sellier, gold, during 2022, when bags seemed somewhat scarce. 5X for each of two offers, neither accepted. Then perhaps 1.5X with a new SA MKII (either with credit for my prior year, or on faith that the ongoing relationship would be fruitful.

I can only speak to my experience of getting my B30 at 2:1 but of course I’ve ready B30s are “easier” to get and it may have been them trying to lure a newer customer and it’ll probably be a long drought til my next offer.

Thanks, @Gin&H . I wish you the best on your next offer. I am including a few screen shots that I’ve read in various local shopping threads to give a spectrum of prespend. Of course, these are simply individual observances, just like you and I are sharing our experiences, lol

This exchange between two knowledgeable TPFers, @acrowcounted and @momoc, PNW, suggests to hold tight and wait after 3X



This post below by @fice16 refers to a lower prespend, but for an existing client [in between her previous offer and the K25 she is waiting for]. @fice16 states that she, as a long time client, had a similar experience with a 1.5X prespend for a K25 sellier.

These descriptions suggest an ongoing relationship with presumably a rolling prespend ( perhaps not unlike my MKII offered by my new SA this year with low prespend (either on future faith and credit or taking into account my prior 5X + with my former SA (see my NY link above for details)



This member @killuakanmuru , in CA, below has been offered several bags, including a K25 special order, and a future imminent B25, but her prespend is over 10X in less than one year. So, for two coveted QBs, 5X rising, each



This post by @Kimchoi12 , states that her friends prespend was to be 3X for a B25, but this was not a hard set rule. Rather it was what the SA could do for her, which seems to imply accommodation.



I’ve tagged the members so they can correct any statements read these screenshots Again, this is just a random smattering of posts that caught my eye re prespend in various locati9ns in the US. Any member here could of course have a vastly different experience, namely 1X, 2X, zero, for all I know.

@benjinito, I assume the ratio is simply shorthand for 1:1; 2:1; 3:1 etc which may roughly correspond to some high end reseller prices

 

[shopinlovet]

Finally finished tallying my prespend. Based on what I’ve been seeing recently, I’m very grateful to be able to get my first quota bag (Kelly 25 Etoupe Sellier) yesterday with a 1.1:1 prespend ratio. For those who want actually number $13,000:$11,800 USD. Let me be very transparent, this is a prespend not including my Mini Lindy and Kelly to go Wallet. So if you want to include those then obviously the number is WAY higher lol. Been shopping with my SA for 1.5 years. Been offered a Constance before this which I said no to. Definitely a good SA relationship is key in my case (I’m a monthly visitor) as well as good timing because my store had a clothing event and I think they were hoarding bags to try and influence clients to buy more. Coincidentally I was picking up a jewelry piece that same day and my SA asked the manager for me.

 

[addiCCted]

I wanted to check what fellow members are using as the denominator when discussing the prespend ratio? Is it 10k or is it the current price for the QB in a “normal” leather like Togo/epsom?

I'm asking this because while I wasn't actively counting my own prespend before my QB (don't think I wanted to know the damage to my cc), of course the topic of prespend comes up whether it’s on this forum or on other platforms and I want to make sure I’m being accurate/transparent if someone asks about my own experience or is asking for guidance about expected prespend…I know it’s probably semantics but I don’t want to accidentally misconstrue or misguide a fellow member. I’m a newer member and I think I assumed the denominator was the current cost of a “regular” leather. I’m just now realizing I might have been wrong…because you know what happens when you assume hah. Thanks everyone in advance for continuing to take the time to share your knowledge

I’ve always used 1x to refer to the cost of that particular bag in question using Togo or Epsom as the reference point usually unless specifically talking about exotics.

Example if it’s a MK, then x would be around $9k. If it’s an exotic b25, x would be 45ish k.

 

[Gin&H]

^ 5X being my own experience for B25 sellier, gold, during 2022, when bags seemed somewhat scarce. 5X for each of two offers, neither accepted. Then perhaps 1.5X with a new SA MKII (either with credit for my prior year, or on faith that the ongoing relationship would be fruitful.

Thanks, @Gin&H . I wish you the best on your next offer. I am including a few screen shots that I’ve read in various local shopping threads to give a spectrum of prespend. Of course, these are simply individual observances, just like you and I are sharing our experiences, lol

This exchange between two knowledgeable TPFers, @acrowcounted and @momoc, PNW, suggests to hold tight and wait after 3X

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This post below by @fice16 refers to a lower prespend, but for an existing client [in between her previous offer and the K25 she is waiting for]. @fice16 states that she, as a long time client, had a similar experience with a 1.5X prespend for a K25 sellier.

These descriptions suggest an ongoing relationship with presumably a rolling prespend ( perhaps not unlike my MKII offered by my new SA this year with low prespend (either on future faith and credit or taking into account my prior 5X + with my former SA (see my NY link above for details)

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This member @killuakanmuru , in CA, below has been offered several bags, including a K25 special order, and a future imminent B25, but her prespend is over 10X in less than one year. So, for two coveted QBs, 5X rising, each

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This post by @Kimchoi12 , states that her friends prespend was to be 3X for a B25, but this was not a hard set rule. Rather it was what the SA could do for her, which seems to imply accommodation.

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I’ve tagged the members so they can correct any statements read these screenshots Again, this is just a random smattering of posts that caught my eye re prespend in various locati9ns in the US. Any member here could of course have a vastly different experience, namely 1X, 2X, zero, for all I know.

@benjinito, I assume the ratio is simply shorthand for 1:1; 2:1; 3:1 etc which may roughly correspond to some high end reseller prices

@880 thank you for doing this. I appreciate it and know it’s important to give perspective and allow folks to have realistic expectations for these highly sought after bags.

I hope I didn’t give the impression that I didn’t believe that B25/K25s command a much higher prespend. I’m sorry if that wasn’t clear in my earlier post! That was my understanding too based on reading posts from those who have kindly shared their experiences. I appreciate and really enjoy this community of members who give their time and knowledge.

I just hope that the overall influencer effect will eventually calm down and one day prespend ratios won’t have to be so high!

 

[880]

@880 thank you for doing this. I appreciate it and know it’s important to give perspective and allow folks to have realistic expectations for these highly sought after bags.

I hope I didn’t give the impression that I didn’t believe that B25/K25s command a much higher prespend. I’m sorry if that wasn’t clear in my earlier post! That was my understanding too based on reading posts from those who have kindly shared their experiences. I appreciate and really enjoy this community of members who give their time and knowledge.

I just hope that the overall influencer effect will eventually calm down and one day prespend ratios won’t have to be so high!

Oh, no worries; Agree 💯

Am equally sure someone else could dredge up totally different posts. There are all kinds of situations, IDK

 

[Bdbunny]

There are all kinds of situations,

I think this is the key. Every relationship, every SA is a little bit different. I think people also shop Hermes differently, and one way isn’t necessarily better than the other. Some people are shopping the prespend as a means to an end- getting the bag offer. Some people are just shopping, and if a bag comes along, fabulous. So with the second way, one may end up with a higher purchase history merely because the client likes to shop, and/or has declined multiple bag offers, not necessarily because they didn’t qualify with a lower prespend.

There’s also the human element…and this has been brought up before. Basically don’t be a PITA. I’m not saying to ingratiate oneself to your SA, but I think being a nice person goes a long ways. Not nitpicking over normal details, not consistently returning stuff. Obviously if there’s an issue, it should be raised, but if there’s ALWAYS an issue, then that might be a you problem and not the product itself.

Back to the original question, I also use 1x = $10k, because it’s easy like @880 said. I don’t track my pre spend so round figures are easier lol. And I guess when it comes to exotics, I don’t really know. I think that’s a gray area with a lot of variability. Also with LE bags as well… sometimes people ask me what was my prespend for such and such bag, and honestly I have no clue… and I almost feel like it’s irrelevant… because it feels like they offer it whenever they feel like it, not when I buy a specific thing or after I’ve spent a certain amount. 🤷🏻‍♀️

 

[killuakanmuru]

Anyone have any idea for prespend for minikelly pochette or 2 in USA? Currently I have a prespend of 45K after I received my latest quota bag.

 

[killuakanmuru]

^ 5X being my own experience for B25 sellier, gold, during 2022, when bags seemed somewhat scarce. 5X for each of two offers, neither accepted. Then perhaps 1.5X with a new SA MKII (either with credit for my prior year, or on faith that the ongoing relationship would be fruitful.

Thanks, @Gin&H . I wish you the best on your next offer. I am including a few screen shots that I’ve read in various local shopping threads to give a spectrum of prespend. Of course, these are simply individual observances, just like you and I are sharing our experiences, lol

This exchange between two knowledgeable TPFers, @acrowcounted and @momoc, PNW, suggests to hold tight and wait after 3X

View attachment 6068858

This post below by @fice16 refers to a lower prespend, but for an existing client [in between her previous offer and the K25 she is waiting for]. @fice16 states that she, as a long time client, had a similar experience with a 1.5X prespend for a K25 sellier.

These descriptions suggest an ongoing relationship with presumably a rolling prespend ( perhaps not unlike my MKII offered by my new SA this year with low prespend (either on future faith and credit or taking into account my prior 5X + with my former SA (see my NY link above for details)

View attachment 6068859

This member @killuakanmuru , in CA, below has been offered several bags, including a K25 special order, and a future imminent B25, but her prespend is over 10X in less than one year. So, for two coveted QBs, 5X rising, each

View attachment 6068860

This post by @Kimchoi12 , states that her friends prespend was to be 3X for a B25, but this was not a hard set rule. Rather it was what the SA could do for her, which seems to imply accommodation.

View attachment 6068861

I’ve tagged the members so they can correct any statements read these screenshots Again, this is just a random smattering of posts that caught my eye re prespend in various locati9ns in the US. Any member here could of course have a vastly different experience, namely 1X, 2X, zero, for all I know.

@benjinito, I assume the ratio is simply shorthand for 1:1; 2:1; 3:1 etc which may roughly correspond to some high end reseller prices

Update after an year, My mini kelly 2 SO has arrived in June and last year Decemeber I got my Birkin 25 in Etoupe. However, my sales has left the store and I just recently started a relationship with a news sales hoping to score another quota bag for this year. The spend for this year is currently 45K.