Prince Harry and Meghan Markle thread

[Vlad]

I kindly request that all members participating in the MM and Harry thread dial back the vile rhetoric.

I am not opposed to discussing public personas on TPF, including the constant torrent of news surrounding the couple from this thread. But I find it troubling when their looks are being nitpicked apart to a degree that is just not appropriate.

This thread has drawn criticism over the years, and I discussed it at great length with Megs and the mods. I am not looking to close it down, but the vitriol needs to be dialed back.

My personal feelings about hate threads aside, this ultra-negative vibe is something better suited for other forums, Reddit, or elsewhere. I am holding our community to higher standards.

Thanks for reading.

 

[papertiger]

Her funeral curtsy gave me the chills too, except for different reasons. I saw it as a hypocritical thing to do to a woman who tried to include her into the family, and give her patronages and a platform that she could do something with. I found her curtsy to more of an insult than an expression of respect. Her little exaggerated curtsy performance in the Netflix doc cemented this idea for me.

We know the real reason why she bent her legs so deeply, we know she promises Paul Andrew a clear shot of their soles. She even had to make up for her affected posing in her (saving) H&M series for Nutfix that she thinks she's supposed kiss the floor when she curtseyed to the Queen in case someone clocked her MERCHING spectacle!


Here is her merched her Paul Andrew heels




Those shoes (Pump it Ups) were NEW (as you can see from the soles), had only just come out and only available in the US at the time. FACT

Funeral 11 days after QEII's passing. 8 Sept was Thursday so you can knock off two weekends and no next day shipping Internationally. They are 1/3 more in price even without duties. Sent from Sax or Neman's etc they wouldn't have got to the UK even in 7-11 days (trust me on this) unless they brought over door to door physically, no duties applied.

All that cross-your-finger-fuss for plain black heels from a minor label, it doesn't add-up.

Why would anyone send for shoes from the other side of the world when London has thousands of shoe shops?

She was going to be parading around on one of the most televised days of anyone's life.

Could you be sure of your size in a shoe? Wouldn't you rather wear a favourite pair (as the Queen used to do) to be sure, to be comfortable, or have Monolo or Gina come round for a fitting if you had no black shoes. She always wears heels. Are you telling me she didn't have a single pair of black pumps at Frog Cot?

MegZ and HaZ sell their own family, even on their deathbeds, even from their fresh graves.

 

[papertiger]

Depositions are not cheap but effective. There’s an angle there lawyers are trying to get.

MM can’t change the law on how siblings are defined.

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Either way I think she will not come across truthfully and I can’t wait for the question that will open her up to the bullying claims to establish a pattern of lies she has spouted.
One more thing, TW has really insulted millions of half siblings.

I was reading today about the Solange and JayZ mess in the elevator. That family kept it classy and no one wrote a book about it.

And the good thing with a deposition too (I've watched The Good Wife recently ) no one can err from their original statements if it goes to court.

 

[pomeline]

Can’t wait to see the result. Even a nonstick baking pan should be greased.

Was this now? Any background info on this video?

Also, am I just being mean or does it look like she's a terrible cook...? I mean, that stuff looks lumpy and she's not doing a good job mixing it. The grainy, jumpy video must have distorted her features because for a second there I thought she had done something to her nose again. It looked like she could hang towels from that thing.

 

[pomeline]

Just some inspiration for Archewell.

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Jeez, don't give them ideas with Rihanna in mind... I'm already hearing M's whiny voice telling H she wants to perform at the SuperBowl too to announce a new pregnancy...

 

[EverSoElusive]

More entertaining than the actual book!

 

[papertiger]

Jeez, don't give them ideas with Rihanna in mind... I'm already hearing M's whiny voice telling H she wants to perform at the SuperBowl too to announce a new pregnancy...

and develop a makeup line (NutmegZZ Inc? FlowerZZ Org.) and/or a lingerie line (Lemon-DriZZLil? DINO Int. (Duchess In Name Only International) ArchUrBak Ent.?

At least we know why M and RiRi wear 'dollar-green' - at least RiRi owns it!

 

[EverSoElusive]

Does anyone actually believe this?

 

[Chanbal]

Sigh. Another book by the spawn of someone famous. How original.

Don't get me started. She graduated from the same school at the same time as my daughter and promptly got a contract to write a book about the struggles of being a new college grad. Seriously? In interviews she seems like a nice person, but she has rich and famous parents and then married a movie star. It's easy to be nice when doors open magically for you that don't for others.

TW can join the theme of these well connected people and write 'the sister who sues me'…

 

[Bag peace]

So to be clear I think bias and prejudice exist and are majorly destructive but that I think this idea there are ‘experts’ who all (despite having no medical background and diverse training that is not reviewed or credited by any organisation I’ve seen) can come in and diagnose strangers based on their appearance and somehow root out these problems people apparently don’t even know they have through a mixture of extremely basic and well-known history, cold reading and rudimentary therapy techniques sounds more akin to a psychic night than a science.
Also the whole intimate breakdown to build up aspect sounds cultish like Erhard Seminars training.
Not to mention this is going on in the workplace usually so people are very aware that how they behave could jeopardise their livelihoods based on how they react to someone and something they know very little about. I think if anything iit drives a divide between people and encourages the idea others are secretly judging and resenting you especially those you are different from be it race/orientation/gender which just increases factions and internal divide.

I also just don’t buy the subconscious original sin aspect of it all- I think people either consciously justify their prejudices or consciously challenge them not that they are unaware they exist. Everyone becomes guilty by association and in some cases actual harassment and discrimination becomes more justified because the perpetrators are like Leopold and Loeb style victims of their circumstance. It’s a massive step backwards for race relations and personal responsibility in my book.

I mean we saw this with Harry. He’s claimed he’s claimed ignorance on Nazi costumes and Asian slurs and been given a pass as some victim of his environment and it’s just total crap- he obviously knew those things were offensive and did it to get a reaction - there is nothing unintentional or naive about it.

This was such a nuanced response and I'm really grateful you took the time to break it down like this.
I agree with so much of what you're saying and you've addressed a lot of things I was questioning but struggling to put to words. Though my own experience of unconscious bias training was nothing like you describe, and the outcome was nothing like Harry presents it, I am aware that whatever little exposure I've had is just a drop in the ocean.

The way Harry conveniently uses this to absolve himself of all sin- in combination with how he conveniently ignores Meg's bias against British culture (just one example of many hypocrisies)- is what had me questioning the entire premise of this argument. Now I am pushed to consider how the concept can be utilized to push a specific agenda and just how we can acknowledge prejudice without playing into said agenda (I am referring to the real world, not specifically to H&M's shapeshifting portrayal of the world).

There's much more for me to learn but you've given me a great starting point. Thank you.

(Hopefully this isn't off-topic for the thread since it is something H&M have weaved into their narrative.)

 

[marietouchet]

We know the real reason why she bent her legs so deeply, we know she promises Paul Andrew a clear shot of their soles. She even had to make up for her affected posing in her (saving) H&M series for Nutfix that she thinks she's supposed kiss the floor when she curtseyed to the Queen in case someone clocked her MERCHING spectacle!


Here is her merched her Paul Andrew heels

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Those shoes (Pump it Ups) were NEW (as you can see from the soles), had only just come out and only available in the US at the time. FACT

Funeral 11 days after QEII's passing. 8 Sept was Thursday so you can knock off two weekends and no next day shipping Internationally. They are 1/3 more in price even without duties. Sent from Sax or Neman's etc they wouldn't have got to the UK even in 7-11 days (trust me on this) unless they brought over door to door physically, no duties applied.

All that cross-your-finger-fuss for plain black heels from a minor label, it doesn't add-up.

Why would anyone send for shoes from the other side of the world when London has thousands of shoe shops?

She was going to be parading around on one of the most televised days of anyone's life.

Could you be sure of your size in a shoe? Wouldn't you rather wear a favourite pair (as the Queen used to do) to be sure, to be comfortable, or have Monolo or Gina come round for a fitting if you had no black shoes. She always wears heels. Are you telling me she didn't have a single pair of black pumps at Frog Cot?

MegZ and HaZ sell their own family, even on their deathbeds, even from their fresh graves.

I have noticed ALL the Euro royals - Catherine, Maxima, Mathilde etc - wear the same Gianvito Rossi pumps, the same model, 105, I think, MM has a closet of those
Surely, a reason for their popularity ifs that the soles are not branded a la Louboutins

 

[marietouchet]

Does anyone actually believe this?

Will it stop ??? Not unless the Harkles have the last word, which is glowingly favorable. having the last word is in MM’s DNA
I do wonder about H though - has he maybe learned a bit of a lesson ??? he would do stupid stuff and the press (controlled By BP) was minimally negative, has the current torrent of blowback caused him to notice that good behavior goes a long way to getting good press ? He can turn off the Sh*t storm but I fear he has not learned ….

 

[papertiger]

This was such a nuanced response and I'm really grateful you took the time to break it down like this.
I agree with so much of what you're saying and you've addressed a lot of things I was questioning but struggling to put to words. Though my own experience of unconscious bias training was nothing like you describe, and the outcome was nothing like Harry presents it, I am aware that whatever little exposure I've had is just a drop in the ocean.

The way Harry conveniently uses this to absolve himself of all sin- in combination with how he conveniently ignores Meg's bias against British culture (just one example of many hypocrisies)- is what had me questioning the entire premise of this argument. Now I am pushed to consider how the concept can be utilized to push a specific agenda and just how we can acknowledge prejudice without playing into said agenda (I am referring to the real world, not specifically to H&M's shapeshifting portrayal of the world).

There's much more for me to learn but you've given me a great starting point. Thank you.

(Hopefully this isn't off-topic for the thread since it is something H&M have weaved into their narrative.)

IME, unconscious-bias awareness training when delivered at work is to tick the company/institution's box for HR/P&C's Policy on Diversity and Inclusivity (or similar) 'Steps Taken' check-list. It absolves the company/institution and then can squarely put the weight of any legal (or otherwise) action on the employee (Cert of Training delivered). They will have (at least in the UK) outsourced the training so the company/institution is not liable for the quality of that either.

The unconscious mind doesn't work by "and now you know". Unconscious bias if there is bias that is unconscious. Most people who have guilt in that area will over-compensate when watched and default when not 'on duty'.

Both overcompensating (virtue signalling) and defaulting to bias (Harry's treatment of 'Pat' and Madame X (unnamed 'older woman' at 19 Sasha) in this case highlights Harry's deep rooted misogynist and ableism belief system - not just tendencies. As is the )strongly-held) belief that if you are part of a 'protected class' and oft discriminated against your self you can't hold conscious or unconscious bias yourself. Referring to himself as a 'ginger' is not self-depreciating comment, it's to also excuse himself of all the other vile discriminatory feelings he has against many others.

I have no doubt, that apart from H buying into the shallow puddle of media/SM #stories that only reflect self-serving individuals like the Harrys (and MegZ of this world) no member of the BRF would have ever had to undergo Unconscious Bias Awareness (other titles are available) training even if every other employee at Buck House or enlisted military had to.

 

[Toby93]

I guess they weren't able to have him cancelled? Not as powerful as they think they are....

 

[CentralTimeZone]

What Is it that H and M have left After attending the coronation (and eventually KC3 funeral)?

I do think if they really really need that royal connection they will attend Trooping each year if they can get a carriage ride.

 

[Bag peace]

The unconscious mind doesn't work by "and now you know". Unconscious bias if there is bias that is unconscious. Most people who have guilt in that area will over-compensate when watched and default when not 'on duty'.

You've made so many great points and given me much to consider, PT. Thank you so much for weighing in.
This portion I've quoted has really hit me. It explains so much, and particularly explains a lot about why Haz's proclamations feel disingenuous on a much deeper level.