Please help identify leather, color and design

[Vlad]

As requested, this thread is now the official Help I.D. Hermes leather, color and design thread. Cheers!



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[r luvs h]

Can you please help me identify this bag?View attachment 5678191

Do you know what year this bag is from? Also, would you be able to share a picture of the inside of the bag?

 

[r luvs h]

H leather question: is there any diff between chamonix and sombrero? they look super similar to me I wonder how you identify between the two!

The easiest way to differentiate between the two is by noting the year of the item’s production. Besides this, Chamonix and Sombrero have different textures. To my knowledge, the calves used for these leathers are from different regions and are processed in slightly different ways. Chamonix is much more similar to Box Calf in texture, while Sombrero is a bit softer and more delicate. Because of this, Sombrero is more susceptible to scuffing and scratching over time.

 

[sunnylove806]

The easiest way to differentiate between the two is by noting the year of the item’s production. Besides this, Chamonix and Sombrero have different textures. To my knowledge, the calves used for these leathers are from different regions and are processed in slightly different ways. Chamonix is much more similar to Box Calf in texture, while Sombrero is a bit softer and more delicate. Because of this, Sombrero is more susceptible to scuffing and scratching over time.

That is really insightful @r luvs h Is Chamonix discontinued?

 

[nomdesac]

It looks like Fauve Barenia-- I’m really not sure how the seller came to the conclusion of Box Calfskin. My Barenia bags are newer, so they look a little different, but I found a picture in my files of another Barenia bag with a similar looking grain texture:

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(Source: I believe this picture is from either Sandia Exchange or Ann’s Fab Finds. This bag is also from the same year as the bag you posted, 1998)

Thank you! This is really helpful.

 

[r luvs h]

That is really insightful @r luvs h Is Chamonix discontinued?

Chamonix started being phased out for bags around A/W 2008, but I believe I’ve seen it used for some SLGs and accessories since then.

 

[honhon]

Hello I would be very grateful if you could help me identifying the colour of this Kelly please? I’m told it is from 2004. Thank you very much.

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I think its Rouge Vif

 

[tannfran]

I think its Rouge Vif

It is rouge vif. Btw…these pictures are stolen. I know because they are mine.

 

[Kittentoes]

Hello!

When I saw this Vespa, I thought it was Gold, but the seller has listed it as Camel (presumably Tabac Camel?). I've looked at the reference library and read half a dozen Gold vs Tabac Camel threads, but I haven't found a photo of TC that looks this shade. Do you think the seller's made a mistake?








Also, if I could ask a more general question: I've recently fallen for the Vespa, and it's surprisingly difficult to find information about the style online, even something as basic as the years of manufacture. (I've seen bags listed from 1999-2006, but I don't know if there's others.) Are there any references, either on- or offline, that people would recommend?

Thank you!

 

[MommyDaze]

Hello!

When I saw this Vespa, I thought it was Gold, but the seller has listed it as Camel (presumably Tabac Camel?). I've looked at the reference library and read half a dozen Gold vs Tabac Camel threads, but I haven't found a photo of TC that looks this shade. Do you think the seller's made a mistake?

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Also, if I could ask a more general question: I've recently fallen for the Vespa, and it's surprisingly difficult to find information about the style online, even something as basic as the years of manufacture. (I've seen bags listed from 1999-2006, but I don't know if there's others.) Are there any references, either on- or offline, that people would recommend?

Thank you!

I had a Tabac Camel Victoria and I can’t think of any lighting that would have made it anywhere near that color. I think sellers are often just using common names for the color they see, rather than approximating Hermès color names. I no longer have the Vic, but here is a picture in indoor (Target) lighting.

 

[r luvs h]

Hello!

When I saw this Vespa, I thought it was Gold, but the seller has listed it as Camel (presumably Tabac Camel?). I've looked at the reference library and read half a dozen Gold vs Tabac Camel threads, but I haven't found a photo of TC that looks this shade. Do you think the seller's made a mistake?

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Also, if I could ask a more general question: I've recently fallen for the Vespa, and it's surprisingly difficult to find information about the style online, even something as basic as the years of manufacture. (I've seen bags listed from 1999-2006, but I don't know if there's others.) Are there any references, either on- or offline, that people would recommend?

Thank you!

This cannot be gold. Do you know the year of this item’s production? Also, would you be able to upload a clearer picture of the leather? I’m not sure when Vespas started being produced, but I have a Vespa in my files from 1993. I believe they started being phased out of production around 2008.

 

[sunnylove806]

It is rouge vif. Btw…these pictures are stolen. I know because they are mine.

Beautiful! Is this barenia?

 

[Bdbunny]

Yay! I wanted it for its durability and weather resistance! So happy! Thank you @sleepyrabbit and @tannfran !!

Update:
I received confirmation from fashionphile that it is indeed Buffle skipper leather in graphite! They had the wrong tag. I actually told my SA about my find, and he was blown away! He said buffalo birkins are nearly impossible to come by these days, and graphite is also a rare color, so I feel super lucky I found this bag! And here she is in her new outfit! (Even though I prefer the cleaner look without Twillies, I wanted to protect those really old handles ha!)

 

[QuelleFromage]

Update:
I received confirmation from fashionphile that it is indeed Buffle skipper leather in graphite! They had the wrong tag. I actually told my SA about my find, and he was blown away! He said buffalo birkins are nearly impossible to come by these days, and graphite is also a rare color, so I feel super lucky I found this bag! And here she is in her new outfit! (Even though I prefer the cleaner look without Twillies, I wanted to protect those really old handles ha!)

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You super scored. Once upon a time you could SO buffle skipper and IIRC it was rare and expensive! Your bag will be indestructible Enjoy!

 

[Kittentoes]

I had a Tabac Camel Victoria and I can’t think of any lighting that would have made it anywhere near that color. I think sellers are often just using common names for the color they see, rather than approximating Hermès color names. I no longer have the Vic, but here is a picture in indoor (Target) lighting. View attachment 5679624

Gorgeous! Thank you for posting. What a perfect neutral that is.

I wouldn't mind a bag in that colour sometime, but from your photo it seems clear the Vespa isn't TC.

 

[QuelleFromage]

Beautiful! Is this barenia?

That bag is Box calf.

Hello!

When I saw this Vespa, I thought it was Gold, but the seller has listed it as Camel (presumably Tabac Camel?). I've looked at the reference library and read half a dozen Gold vs Tabac Camel threads, but I haven't found a photo of TC that looks this shade. Do you think the seller's made a mistake?

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Also, if I could ask a more general question: I've recently fallen for the Vespa, and it's surprisingly difficult to find information about the style online, even something as basic as the years of manufacture. (I've seen bags listed from 1999-2006, but I don't know if there's others.) Are there any references, either on- or offline, that people would recommend?

Thank you!

This isn't Tabac Camel. @MommyDaze has given a great example of Tabac Camel (which I secretly think is a color based on the old packaging of Camel cigarettes....it is nearly identical).
Gold Vespas have contrast stitch. This may be Naturel.