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As requested, this thread is now the official Help I.D. Hermes leather, color and design thread. Cheers!



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Virevolte said:
@r luvs h you always have such helpful, expert knowledge of these matters! In fact I had a similiar question about a 2009 two-tone B 35 that I bought through a reputable auction house a few years back. It’s in Olive chevre de coromandel with sangles, handles, trim, and interior in some or other shade of jaune. With an M stamp it dates from 2009, I think; but it doesn’t have a horseshoe on the (unfoiled) heat stamp, and the fact that the contrast color appears on details/elements besides just the interior makes it seem different from a normal Verso. What do you think? Was there some specialty line of B’s in 2009 that would have had these details, and not been a SO? Or were horseshoes still a rarity on SO’s in 2009? I’d be grateful for your thoughts if you have any on this matter. :smile:

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Swift. Swift bags are lined in Swift, not Chèvre. Re colored, not well done. That's why stamp is same color as bag.
 
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bababebi said:
Swift. Swift bags are lined in Swift, not Chèvre. Re colored, not well done. That's why stamp is same color as bag.
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Merci infiniment, @bababebi , for putting this matter to rest une fois pour toutes. So annoying that the auction house did not disclose that the bag had, as @nicole0612 suggested, indeed been colored (and “not well,” en plus!). But I’m thrilled that you solved the mystery of the skin! Swift it is - @r luvs h - you called it! I’m grateful to everyone for sharing their knowledge so generously here.
 
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Virevolte said:
Merci infiniment, @bababebi , for putting this matter to rest une fois pour toutes. So annoying that the auction house did not disclose that the bag had, as @nicole0612 suggested, indeed been colored (and “not well,” en plus!). But I’m thrilled that you solved the mystery of the skin! Swift it is - @r luvs h - you called it! I’m grateful to everyone for sharing their knowledge so generously here.
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As I guessed— swift (gulliver as well) is a bit of a chameleon in texture. From a distance it looks really smooth, up close it can look a bit striated, up REALLY close it can look a bit scaly (like on this bag). This is especially noticeable in lighter colours (that’s probably why it’s not noticeable on your chocolat swift bag). Of course, recolouring the bag only exacerbates the leather’s complexity. Cheers to all, glad we could put this to rest! :flowers:
 
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whole-lotta-prada said:
It has stamp A. Thankyou.
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I was really referring to the heat stamp on the front of the bag, not the blind stamp inside, no worries though. “A” stamp is from 2017 and this is corroborated by other facets of the bag. I’m quite certain that’s the year I was offered this bag (declined cause I was waiting for something else). I’m taking the seller’s word that there’s no horseshoe stamp. Unless you can procure a photo showing otherwise, I stand by my original statement: bleu nuit, orange poppy, verso.
 
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r luvs h said:
I was really referring to the heat stamp on the front of the bag, not the blind stamp inside, no worries though. “A” stamp is from 2017 and this is corroborated by other facets of the bag. I’m quite certain that’s the year I was offered this bag (declined cause I was waiting for something else). I’m taking the seller’s word that there’s no horseshoe stamp. Unless you can procure a photo showing otherwise, I stand by my original statement: bleu nuit, orange poppy, verso.
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Thankyou dear.
 
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MissTammyB said:
Hello! Just scored this lovely B35 at Collector’s Square yesterday. It is supposed to be Togo and was made in 2011, the color is supposed to be “Café” - but I would love to hear your thoughts and inputs. Thank you in advance for taking the time to reply

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Congrats on your score! So exciting! If you could provide a closer picture of the bag, that would help us make a more accurate determination:)
 
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Hello all!

I have this K28 from 1977 which has been redyed for a few years now. Up till now i still cannot figure out what leather and original color this is. There's quite some wear to it as well. I noted that some part of it is very smooth and shiny like box with patina while the main parts are with grain. What do you think? As for the color it is quite orange.. not sure if they had this color back in 1977 tho. Thanks for all your help!
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glarekelly said:
Hello all!

I have this K28 from 1977 which has been redyed for a few years now. Up till now i still cannot figure out what leather and original color this is. There's quite some wear to it as well. I noted that some part of it is very smooth and shiny like box with patina while the main parts are with grain. What do you think? As for the color it is quite orange.. not sure if they had this color back in 1977 tho. Thanks for all your help!
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First of all, what a historic bag! To my knowledge, 1977 was the first year the Kelly was officially called a “Kelly” (but don’t quote me on this). The leather is courchevel. Assuming the interior has not been dyed/painted, the original colour of the bag is gold. Gold can look orange/peachy depending on the leather.

As you mentioned, this bag does look heavily redyed/repainted. There’s evidence of this throughout, specifically at the top of the flap, on the sangle attachments at the back, and on several areas of stitching. Usually, courchevel is not nearly this shiny, so I’m guessing the new dye colour is the reason for the bag’s Box-like glossiness. Hope this helps! :flowers:
 
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r luvs h said:
First of all, what a historic bag! To my knowledge, 1977 was the first year the Kelly was officially called a “Kelly” (but don’t quote me on this). The leather is courchevel. Assuming the interior has not been dyed/painted, the original colour of the bag is gold. Gold can look orange/peachy depending on the leather.

As you mentioned, this bag does look heavily redyed/repainted. There’s evidence of this throughout, specifically at the top of the flap, on the sangle attachments at the back, and on several areas of stitching. Usually, courchevel is not nearly this shiny, so I’m guessing the new dye colour is the reason for the bag’s Box-like glossiness. Hope this helps! :flowers:
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Thank you so much! Mystery finally solved! I love my 45 year old bag despite all the repainting, especially I got it at a fair price for this piece of history. Cheers!
 
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