Please help identify leather, color and design

[Vlad]

As requested, this thread is now the official Help I.D. Hermes leather, color and design thread. Cheers!



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Edited: Please do nat ask for authentication on this thread.

Reply to any questions regarding any items are NOT be taken as a sign of authenticity. You will have to find a reputable paid-for service.

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[Virevolte]

It seems that you’ve not included a picture of the bag’s heat stamp— this is the part of the bag that generally says “Hermès Paris Made In France”. It’s also the part of the bag that would show (or not show) the horseshoe stamp in question. That would be a rather helpful photo to have.

To answer one part of your question, yes, it is possible for bags to be SO (special order) bags but without a horseshoe stamp. This was the case for SOs produced in 2008 or earlier. Anyway, I don’t think that’s what we’re dealing with here. Based on a few facets of the bag, I’m quite confident in saying that this bag was made much more recently and is probably not an SO bag as the seller claims. In my opinion, this is just a regular verso birkin (non-special order). I was offered one in these exact specifications a few years ago and the colours were poppy and bleu nuit, so I’m guessing that would be the same in this case. If you do have a picture of the heat stamp, that may help too. Hope this helps!

@r luvs h you always have such helpful, expert knowledge of these matters! In fact I had a similiar question about a 2009 two-tone B 35 that I bought through a reputable auction house a few years back. It’s in Olive chevre de coromandel with sangles, handles, trim, and interior in some or other shade of jaune. With an M stamp it dates from 2009, I think; but it doesn’t have a horseshoe on the (unfoiled) heat stamp, and the fact that the contrast color appears on details/elements besides just the interior makes it seem different from a normal Verso. What do you think? Was there some specialty line of B’s in 2009 that would have had these details, and not been a SO? Or were horseshoes still a rarity on SO’s in 2009? I’d be grateful for your thoughts if you have any on this matter.

 

[maxroxxherhandbags]

@r luvs h you always have such helpful, expert knowledge of these matters! In fact I had a similiar question about a 2009 two-tone B 35 that I bought through a reputable auction house a few years back. It’s in Olive chevre de coromandel with sangles, handles, trim, and interior in some or other shade of jaune. With an M stamp it dates from 2009, I think; but it doesn’t have a horseshoe on the (unfoiled) heat stamp, and the fact that the contrast color appears on details/elements besides just the interior makes it seem different from a normal Verso. What do you think? Was there some specialty line of B’s in 2009 that would have had these details, and not been a SO? Or were horseshoes still a rarity on SO’s in 2009? I’d be grateful for your thoughts if you have any on this matter.

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Off topic but I have to compliment you on such a beautiful bag!
Its very special

 

[Virevolte]

Off topic but I have to compliment you on such a beautiful bag!
Its very special

Thank you so much, @maxroxxherhandbags - that is so kind! In fact it was my first Birkin ever - I’d had (and still have) a number of other H bags, but had always resisted Birkins until this one came my way.… H addiction is a terrible thing!

 

[maxroxxherhandbags]

Thank you so much, @maxroxxherhandbags - that is so kind! In fact it was my first Birkin ever - I’d had (and still have) a number of other H bags, but had always resisted Birkins until this one came my way.… H addiction is a terrible thing!

Yes..I hear you!
Funnily enough I too am a Birkin resister thus far-I've been offered two but turned them both down realising that a box-fresh Birkin just felt a little too much of a statement on me in a way I wasn't comfortable with.
That said I know that a Birkin that speaks to me will find me via the pre-owned/auction market...but until then there are other ways to feed my H passion/addiction!

 

[QuelleFromage]

@r luvs h you always have such helpful, expert knowledge of these matters! In fact I had a similiar question about a 2009 two-tone B 35 that I bought through a reputable auction house a few years back. It’s in Olive chevre de coromandel with sangles, handles, trim, and interior in some or other shade of jaune. With an M stamp it dates from 2009, I think; but it doesn’t have a horseshoe on the (unfoiled) heat stamp, and the fact that the contrast color appears on details/elements besides just the interior makes it seem different from a normal Verso. What do you think? Was there some specialty line of B’s in 2009 that would have had these details, and not been a SO? Or were horseshoes still a rarity on SO’s in 2009? I’d be grateful for your thoughts if you have any on this matter.

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This isn't Chèvre de Coromandel; it's not chèvre at all. I'm not familiar with this particular combo but would venture that since it's a blind stamp, the body is Vert Olive Barenia with some other leather on the handles.

Edited to add that there have been multico special editions (not SOs and not versos) in production many times, such as the many tricolors, the Arlequin models, the So Flash/Éclat line, etc.

 

[Virevolte]

This isn't Chèvre de Coromandel; it's not chèvre at all. I'm not familiar with this particular combo but would venture that since it's a blind stamp, the body is Vert Olive Barenia with some other leather on the handles.

Edited to add that there have been multico special editions (not SOs and not versos) in production many times, such as the many tricolors, the Arlequin models, the So Flash/Éclat line, etc.

It is definitely Chevre de C - the sheen and the hand are identical to my two K bags (& various SLGs) in Chevre de Coromandel. I have a few H bags in Barenia too and while I love love love that skin, it feels and looks nothing like what this bag is made of. But oh what a dream to get a bag in olive-colored Barenia. I’ve not been able to find any info about multicolored special editions that look like this one - if you ever come across one, please let me know!

 

[Encore Hermes]

This isn't Chèvre de Coromandel; it's not chèvre at all. I'm not familiar with this particular combo but would venture that since it's a blind stamp, the body is Vert Olive Barenia with some other leather on the handles.

Edited to add that there have been multico special editions (not SOs and not versos) in production many times, such as the many tricolors, the Arlequin models, the So Flash/Éclat line, etc.

Agree with you, not CdC. Nor vert olive barenia imo

 

[nicole0612]

Agree with you, not CdC. Nor vert olive barenia imo

I wonder if it is not a blindstamp, but a “painted stamp”?

 

[r luvs h]

@r luvs h you always have such helpful, expert knowledge of these matters! In fact I had a similiar question about a 2009 two-tone B 35 that I bought through a reputable auction house a few years back. It’s in Olive chevre de coromandel with sangles, handles, trim, and interior in some or other shade of jaune. With an M stamp it dates from 2009, I think; but it doesn’t have a horseshoe on the (unfoiled) heat stamp, and the fact that the contrast color appears on details/elements besides just the interior makes it seem different from a normal Verso. What do you think? Was there some specialty line of B’s in 2009 that would have had these details, and not been a SO? Or were horseshoes still a rarity on SO’s in 2009? I’d be grateful for your thoughts if you have any on this matter.

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Stunning bag, though very quickly, I’m realising that I don’t agree with the description by the auction house. As quellefromage said, this leather does not look like CdC at all. It just doesn’t have that CdC “spine”, and it honestly doesn’t look like any chèvre leather I know of (Mangalore, Mysore, Marocain, CdC, Jahnsi…). On top of this, this leather does not really resemble any of the ones I know to have unfoiled heat stamps. It’s definitely not a verso, as this is not the way a verso bag looks (verso specifically denotes a bag that is internally one colour and externally a different colour).

A few options:

1. It’s a really odd vert olive barenia bag. Barenia would make some sense given the heat stamp, however a lot of important details are not consitent with barenia leather.
2. It’s a really odd vert olive swift bag (I say “odd” because I’ve never seen swift stamped this way, and the grain is a bit perplexing). I’ve seen swift and chevre confused on resale sites at least a dozen times, so this could very well be the case. This leather grain seems consistent with a couple well-loved/older swift bags I’ve seen. In this case, I think the colours would be vert olive, as you mentioned, and soleil. Both of these colours were available for swift leather around this time.
3. It’s something completely different. Maybe two leathers? Maybe some very obscure leather? Who knows?

Hermès is full of surprises, so I wouldn’t really be shocked at the possibility of anything. I’d be very interested to see if @bababebi can make some sense of this!

ETA: I think I found some of the photos of this auction online, and now I'm even more confused lol. Still don't think it's chevre.

 

[nicole0612]

Stunning bag, though very quickly, I’m realising that I don’t agree with the description by the auction house. As quellefromage said, this leather does not look like CdC at all. It just doesn’t have that CdC “spine”, and it honestly doesn’t look like any chèvre leather I know of (Mangalore, Mysore, Marocain, CdC, Jahnsi…). On top of this, this leather does not really resemble any of the ones I know to have unfoiled heat stamps. It’s definitely not a verso, as this is not the way a verso bag looks (verso specifically denotes a bag that is internally one colour and externally a different colour).

A few options:

1. It’s a really odd vert olive barenia bag. Barenia would make some sense given the heat stamp, however a lot of important details are not consitent with barenia leather.
2. It’s a really odd vert olive swift bag (I say “odd” because I’ve never seen swift stamped this way). I’ve seen swift and chevre confused on resale sites at least a dozen times, so this could very well be the case. This leather grain seems consistent with some other well-loved/older swift bags I’ve seen. In this case, I think the colours would be vert olive, as you mentioned, and soleil. Both of these colours were available for swift leather around this time.
3. It’s something completely different. Maybe two leathers? Maybe some very obscure leather? Who knows?

Hermès is full of surprises, so I wouldn’t really be shocked at the possibility of anything. I’d be very interested to see if @bababebi can make some sense of this!

I agree that it does not seem like olive Barenia and definitely not CDC, I added a photo of my Vert olive CDC Kelly for comparison. I also attached photos of this stamp/leather grain vs olive Barenia from Sandia exchange. I wonder if it was recolored in a vert olive colorway, because the stitches look a bit like that. I will be interested to hear what is determined. The visual effect is very nice regardless.

 

[r luvs h]

I agree that it does not seem like olive Barenia and definitely not CDC, I added a photo of my Vert olive CDC Kelly for comparison. I also attached photos of this stamp/leather grain vs olive Barenia from Sandia exchange. I wonder if it was recolored in a vert olive colorway, because the stitches look a bit like that. I will be interested to hear what is determined. The visual effect is very nice regardless.

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Thank you for these photos!! Perfect visual aid. With barenia leather (especially in lighter colours like olive & natural) there is a very specific way that the "Hermès" stamp looks. I don't want to get into details, but I think it's fairly apparent.

 

[Virevolte]

Thank you to all you smart and perceptive TPFers for weighing in on this! It’s funny, IRL the bag really does have what looks to my eye like that distinctive chevre iridescent sheen (which doesn’t show up in the close-up photo of the stamp that I posted because the sheen was so bright in normal light that one couldn’t see the stamp at all; so I put the bag on a dark closet floor to get the shot of the stamp somewhat visible), but you are right, @r luvs h , it lacks the CDC spine on the back; and *you* are right, @nicole0612 , it doesn’t look anything like your olive CDC bag (nor anything like the olive Barenia - which it is definitely, absolutely not. I couldn’t make a scratch on this thing if I tried! Plus, indeed, the heat stamp doesn’t have the depth or chunkiness somehow of the Barenia heat stamp). My only Swift bag is in Chocolat & a few years younger than this mystery B, and when I look at them side by side they don’t look similar but that may be because the mystery B is older. Or maybe it was, as you suggest Nicole, recolored. In any case I so appreciate everyone taking a look at this for me. It’s really just to satisfy my own curiosity more than anything else - I adore this bag and am now dying to know what it “really” is….

 

[FaubourgTropical]

I adore this bag and am now dying to know what it “really” is….

Now I am too dying to know . Love a good mystery and the discussion here. Would you consider getting @bababebi's opinion and let us know?

 

[r luvs h]

Thank you to all you smart and perceptive TPFers for weighing in on this! It’s funny, IRL the bag really does have what looks to my eye like that distinctive chevre iridescent sheen (which doesn’t show up in the close-up photo of the stamp that I posted because the sheen was so bright in normal light that one couldn’t see the stamp at all; so I put the bag on a dark closet floor to get the shot of the stamp somewhat visible), but you are right, @r luvs h , it lacks the CDC spine on the back; and *you* are right, @nicole0612 , it doesn’t look anything like your olive CDC bag (nor anything like the olive Barenia - which it is definitely, absolutely not. I couldn’t make a scratch on this thing if I tried! Plus, indeed, the heat stamp doesn’t have the depth or chunkiness somehow of the Barenia heat stamp). My only Swift bag is in Chocolat & a few years younger than this mystery B, and when I look at them side by side they don’t look similar but that may be because the mystery B is older. Or maybe it was, as you suggest Nicole, recolored. In any case I so appreciate everyone taking a look at this for me. It’s really just to satisfy my own curiosity more than anything else - I adore this bag and am now dying to know what it “really” is….

I’m dying to know too! I don’t think I’ll be able to sleep until I do And I realised I forgot to answer your question about the horseshoe stamp, but yes it is possible that this was forgotten. Maybe it was made at the very beginning of the year before the horseshoe was standardised? Maybe the craftsperson/atelier simply forgot to stamp this? With Hermès, (almost) anything is possible

 

[princesadeprada]

It seems that you’ve not included a picture of the bag’s heat stamp— this is the part of the bag that generally says “Hermès Paris Made In France”. It’s also the part of the bag that would show (or not show) the horseshoe stamp in question. That would be a rather helpful photo to have.

To answer one part of your question, yes, it is possible for bags to be SO (special order) bags but without a horseshoe stamp. This was the case for SOs produced in 2008 or earlier. Anyway, I don’t think that’s what we’re dealing with here. Based on a few facets of the bag, I’m quite confident in saying that this bag was made much more recently and is probably not an SO bag as the seller claims. In my opinion, this is just a regular verso birkin (non-special order). I was offered one in these exact specifications a few years ago and the colours were poppy and bleu nuit, so I’m guessing that would be the same in this case. If you do have a picture of the heat stamp, that may help too. Hope this helps!

It has stamp A. Thankyou.