OJ Simpson 1947-2024

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Semantics can be argued in this case but in the police reports Nicole has a Columbian Necklace while Ron had a Columbian Necktie. Ito chose to bar this information as well as drug usage from the trial because he believed it would bias the jury.

Since you want to be quoted, see above.

I’m sorry, but your assertion that Goldman received ‘the Colombian necktie’ is simply NOT FACTUAL.
Would you like to see the actual autopsy report? Here is a link.
http://www.lectlaw.com/files/cas47.htm

That should work, but if it doesn’t, it’s called ‘Google’.
The Colombian necktie is basically a mythical execution in which the throat is cut and the tongue pulled backwards down the throat and through the slit in the throat.
The fact that this is not anatomically possible has been addressed elsewhere before, but as you can see from the coroner’s own mouth, no such thing was done.
It’s pretty slow reading if you’re not familiar with the terminology, but you can find someone who IS to assure you that nothing like what you are claiming is being described.

Does it matter to you AT ALL that what you are claiming is simply not true? Is it THAT important to you to simply ‘be right’ and have ‘the last word’...? That’s just odd behavior, frankly.
You DID imply earlier that Nicole’s drug use and supposed drug debt was the reason some imaginary drug dealer killed her, though you’ve since said you never did.
Since you insist, I suppose I’ll ‘quote’it for you, even though it is all there with a simple click of the back button.

Mr. Cochran’s theory about it being a drug-related killing wasn’t about NICOLE’S drug use, so it’s completely baffling as to why you would imply otherwise. Are you privy to information that OJ’s defense wasn’t? You should probably contact OJ so he can use it to hunt down the real killers, as he swore to.

Meanwhile, since the defense’s claim was that Faye Resnick’s drug use led to a killing of mistaken identity and not Nicole, you ought to be ashamed to spout off about Brown-Simpson’s drug use, debt, etc as a motive. You ought to be ashamed to repeat lies about what happened to Goldman, as if what DID happen wasn’t unfair enough, when two minutes of simple, easy research could assure you that you’re arguing from a position of truth.
I’m sorry, but again, we shall simply have to disagree about what ‘all over’ entails in reference to the amount of blood found at a crime scene.
To you, apparently, anything less than a five gallon bucket of human blood tossed onto every available surface doesn’t count.
My assertion is that if blood consistent with suspect’s is found in more than one location at the same property (let alone other properties), then there you are.
It’s odd that you are crying ‘Oh, that’s just semantics’ to explain your own statements but are unwilling to apply the ‘excuse’ of ‘semantics’ to anyone else’s statements. Unfair in my opinion, but hey. Semantics.

A list of where the blood consistent with his and the hairs consistent with his were found at the scene is also readily available I’m sure, but if you need to be reminded, so as to be clear that it was, in fact, in more than one location, let me know.

I heartily enjoy having an actual, intellectually honest back-and-forth with people who do NOT have to agree for it to be meaningful, but both parties must be arguing their positions from a point of reality. Is that even questionable???
If we’re arguing about whether heaven is really there, that’s one thing. If we’re arguing about whether Australia is really there when it demonstratably is, that’s nonsensical.

The facts, aka, Ron Goldman’s autopsy report, indicate that he was NOT killed conforming to an anatomically impossible urban legend.
Johnnie Cochran did not claim in court that Nicole was killed by drug lords over her debt related to her drug use. He implicated a different person entirely.
It is irresponsible and cruel of you to claim these things. Especially when the information to the contrary is not a state secret.

Feel free to post whatever ‘evidence’ of OJ’s actual innocence you like.
For about the fifth time, I didn’t say all this to ‘prove’ his guilt. I have said, several times, that he may very well be innocent.
But you have gone to great lengths to equate being found ‘not guilty’ with being ‘innocent’, as in ‘didn’t do it’and no competent law enforcement officer, lawyer, or court officer walking the streets of the nation would tell you that you are correct.

All you need to do is a)stop claiming the defense was arguing things they provably weren’t, b) stop claiming that things were done to the victims that provably weren’t, and c) stop equating a verdict of ‘not guilty’ with the state of ‘innocence’ or having been ‘exonerated’.
What you or I or anyone thinks of OJ’s culpability beyond that is of no true relevance, and is not what is at dispute here,since everyone is entitled to their opinion of what happened.
I’m not sure what’s so difficult about that. The man is out of prison, it’s perfectly acceptable to me that he is; whether I think he ‘did it’ or not doesn’t enter into it. I don’t begrudge him his liberty.
So I fail to see why you are so determined to ‘prove’ to everyone here that he didn’t do it, especially if your evidence is things that didn’t actually happen.

I am interested to see how he conducts himself and what becomes of him.
 
Are you serious? Nicole was a known cocaine user with a considerable debt as a result. Testimony of her drug usage was barred from inclusion during the trial but it was known amongst law enforcement and the like.

Nicole on the other hand, was portrayed as an angel even though her behavior in various clubs was notoriously bad.

I simply think Nichole was targeted and Ron may have just been in the wrong place at the wrong time. IMO her drug usage played a significant role in her death, but I do not believe OJ was responsible.

As far as all the conjecture of Cochran's theory, I never said anything about that.

There, as you requested, are specific quotes. The defense’s theory about this being a drug related killing were not related to Nicole. Even if we say for the sake of argument Cochran was correct and it was drug dealers, it STILL wasn’t Nicole who they were claiming was the target.
Yet here you are trotting out Nicole’s drug use as the reason she was targeted and Goldman, as in every theory, simply being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Please do not attempt to argue further as you did above that you never said anything about Cochran’s theory. You’ve been saying it was drug dealers this whole time. Dear, that’s Cochran’s theory exactly. You just got the names mixed up.
 
You're making up your own facts. Drops of the killers blood was found at the scene and it matched OJ's blood type as well as mine and about 5% of the worlds population. At least know some of the facts so that we can have an intelligent discussion.

I also giggle every time I reread THIS. Yes, you excused it as just a decimal error.
As a master of education, which I figured was what you were referring to by the term ‘med’ and not ‘MD’, you should be acutely aware of the importance such things have. A stupid ol’ decimal point is the difference between large numbers.
The irony of a significant math error being made in the same breath as an accusation of someone ELSE ‘making up their own facts’ and demanding that everyone else have the facts so an intelligent discussion can be had is...deliciously rich.
Again, you are entitled to your opinion and my refutation of your statements have nothing to do with asserting he is guilty. You are conflating a refutation of things you said that are misleading with an assertion that ‘because we’re saying you’re wrong about x,y,and z, we’re saying you’re wrong about everything’.
This is not so.
I just think it’s crucial to form opinions AFTER acquiring actual facts, not some Alice-in-Wonderland rabbit hole of logic. Which is what everyone in the country seems to be heading towards nowadays. But THAT be a whole ‘nother thread. :whut:
 
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His blood was all over that crime scene. There wasn’t one drop of blood that indicated anyone other than OJ killed those two ppl. PERIOD.
If I’m ever on trial for murder I pray you’ll be one of my jurors, I’ll have my lawyer convince you that aliens came down and commited the crimes.
Aliens DO commit crimes, by the way. Totally. It is known.
 
He is very egotistical...his interview at his parol hearing shows his true personality. Getting angry at basic questions....at the least he is not a good person. He is now living here in las Vegas, taking selfies with people and enjoying his life... truly hope he appreciates what grace he has been given ...but I seriously doubt it.. time will tell.
 
He is very egotistical...his interview at his parol hearing shows his true personality. Getting angry at basic questions....at the least he is not a good person. He is now living here in las Vegas, taking selfies with people and enjoying his life... truly hope he appreciates what grace he has been given ...but I seriously doubt it.. time will tell.

Well, even if he is innocent of murder, it’s not a good sign that he said, when a pap approached him the day of his release at a gas station, that ‘nothing had changed’ about him during his prison time.

Putting aside murder, we DO know he beat at least one woman on more than one occasion, and later was criminally convicted of (among other charges) robbery, assault, and kidnapping (all three with a ‘deadly weapon’)
He was found civilly liable (a civil court is still a court of law) for two deaths.
The LEAST you could say is that he has trouble acting on anger in responsible ways that do not threaten others.
One goes to prison to pay a societal debt. But also to be psychologically rehabilitated to the point of not wanting to reoffend or AT LEAST being deterred from choosing to reoffend should mental change not occur.
So to say that nothing about you/your life/etc has been changed one bit by jail time is disheartening.
At the least one would hope he had learned that physical aggression and committing crime (not even counting murder) to get your way is not acceptable. But out of his own mouth, apparently not.
I am interested to observe his life. I’m happy for his children since they seem to want him around. Perhaps he will spend the rest of his life working for charities and paying off the judgement. Perhaps not.
He has ‘friends’ who would be glad to provide him opportunities to violate parole. Many people who have known OJ would be happy to see him fail and go back.
Well, he will learn from the past and rise above, or not. Hopefully all three families get some peace and healing.
 
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O.J. Simpson Responds To Caitlyn Jenner Saying She Knew He Was Guilty

This past Tuesday Caitlyn Jenner revealed some chilling details about a conversation with the late Nicole Brown Simpson, before her infamous murder.

During her visit to the Kyle and Jackie O Show, the reality star and former Olympian athlete said Nicole told Kris Jenner (his wife at the time when he was known as Bruce) that O.J. Simpson was going to kill her "and get away with it because he's OJ Simpson."

When asked whether she and former wife Kris discussed the case when they were together, Caitlyn replied, "'Actually we pretty much knew he was guilty, right from the beginning, but the whole thing was: "Is he going to get away with it?"'

TMZ recently caught up with O.J. who is seemingly enjoying life as a free man currently residing in Las Vegas. When asked about his thoughts on Caitlyn's recent comments, he says, "I don't know Caitlyn, I've never met Caitlyn, as far as Bruce is concerned... I really didn't know him that well." The publication notes that O.J. and the Jenner/Kardashian family vacationed together in the past, so he must know Bruce a little bit, despite the changes he's undergone.

"If he wants to choose to live his life as an old lady instead of an old man, hey, women live longer he might be onto something," he says in the video.

The Juice was released from prison in the beginning of October and has seemingly been trying to dodge the paparazzi ever since. Being the man that he is and everything he's known for, it's been a hard bet with sightings popping up here and there of him posing with ladies poolside and seen on the golf course.

We reported not too long ago the O.J. is supposedly seeking millions for his first post-prison interview. Apparently, major networks such as ABC, CBS and NBC will not pay for the interview due to a possible violation of news division standards. The Hollywood Reporter notes that a Simpson special on any major network would be a drain on advertising funds as no company would want to take part.

"From a news perspective, it's probably a get," media consultant, Bill Carroll, told the publication. "From an advertiser's perspective, it's something that most, if not all, advertisers would stay away from."

 
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Oh, Caitlyn.
I’m almost positive that is not truly new information. Wasn’t Kris Jenner/Kardashian/whatever saying that to anyone who’d listen within the last five years or so. Kris claimed Nicole mentioned it often.

If only many things had gone differently.
 
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I also giggle every time I reread THIS. Yes, you excused it as just a decimal error.
As a master of education, which I figured was what you were referring to by the term ‘med’ and not ‘MD’, you should be acutely aware of the importance such things have. A stupid ol’ decimal point is the difference between large numbers.
The irony of a significant math error being made in the same breath as an accusation of someone ELSE ‘making up their own facts’ and demanding that everyone else have the facts so an intelligent discussion can be had is...deliciously rich.
Again, you are entitled to your opinion and my refutation of your statements have nothing to do with asserting he is guilty. You are conflating a refutation of things you said that are misleading with an assertion that ‘because we’re saying you’re wrong about x,y,and z, we’re saying you’re wrong about everything’.
This is not so.
I just think it’s crucial to form opinions AFTER acquiring actual facts, not some Alice-in-Wonderland rabbit hole of logic. Which is what everyone in the country seems to be heading towards nowadays. But THAT be a whole ‘nother thread. :whut:

Here we go again because I accidentally forgot a decimal.

Part of my initial comment was in jest, like saying the type matched mine and 5% of the population. Obviously, it was not the truth because scientist concluded that the blood was from a male; they just were unable to prove that it was definitely OJ's.
I'm starting to think you may be off, you're "correcting" me here for using the correct abbreviation for my degree. I have an MEd which is a Masters of Education not an MD. I'm assuming MD is more commonly used for medical doctor. But since you seem to know it all you tell me but it's definitely not the abbreviation for my degree.

You also criticized my correct usage of the words exonerate and acquit. Are you an attorney? I've said more than once that I am not, I am by no means attempting to use any of my words in a "legal" way.

I have seen quite a bit of the evidence relating to this case, some of it first hand from my father at the time of the trial. The reason some of this evidence isn't relevant to me is because there were logical explanations for why it was there.

I do not proclaim to be an expert in regards to this trial but I stand by the fact that OJ's blood was not all over the crime scene, that is a made up fact and I called it out as such.

I would love to intelligently discuss the facts but the information you're spewing as the gospel truth was probably found by you with a simple google search. Have you ever reviewed the information in the actual transcripts? Did you follow the case? Let's have a discussion about the actual case instead of arguing over simple things. I searched high and low for the information you spewed about the various markers used to identify his blood and I found no such information. Care to link and share that?
 
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There, as you requested, are specific quotes. The defense’s theory about this being a drug related killing were not related to Nicole. Even if we say for the sake of argument Cochran was correct and it was drug dealers, it STILL wasn’t Nicole who they were claiming was the target.
Yet here you are trotting out Nicole’s drug use as the reason she was targeted and Goldman, as in every theory, simply being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Please do not attempt to argue further as you did above that you never said anything about Cochran’s theory. You’ve been saying it was drug dealers this whole time. Dear, that’s Cochran’s theory exactly. You just got the names mixed up.
Please don't call me dear, we don't know each other, I find that demeaning.

My opinion is that it was drug related. I've come to this conclusion based on inside information provided to me from several police officers (including my father) and an uncle and his colleague who administered several polygraph test on OJ. We actually discussed various theories and there is an underlying belief that some evidence was a result of crooked LAPD officers. One of my undergrad papers covered this case, I interviewed quite a few people directly and indirectly involved. I should take the time to find it.
 
Here we go again because I accidentally forgot a decimal.

Part of my initial comment was in jest, like saying the type matched mine and 5% of the population. Obviously, it was not the truth because scientist concluded that the blood was from a male; they just were unable to prove that it was definitely OJ's.
I'm starting to think you may be off, you're "correcting" me here for using the correct abbreviation for my degree. I have an MEd which is a Masters of Education not an MD. I'm assuming MD is more commonly used for medical doctor. But since you seem to know it all you tell me but it's definitely not the abbreviation for my degree.

You also criticized my correct usage of the words exonerate and acquit. Are you an attorney? I've said more than once that I am not, I am by no means attempting to use any of my words in a "legal" way.

I have seen quite a bit of the evidence relating to this case, some of it first hand from my father at the time of the trial. The reason some of this evidence isn't relevant to me is because there were logical explanations for why it was there.

I do not proclaim to be an expert in regards to this trial but I stand by the fact that OJ's blood was not all over the crime scene, that is a made up fact and I called it out as such.

I would love to intelligently discuss the facts but the information you're spewing as the gospel truth was probably found by you with a simple google search. Have you ever reviewed the information in the actual transcripts? Did you follow the case? Let's have a discussion about the actual case instead of arguing over simple things. I searched high and low for the information you spewed about the various markers used to identify his blood and I found no such information. Care to link and share that?

You know, this is a highly unproductive conversation because you appear to either not be reading what was said, not understanding what was said, or understanding but not caring.

I SPECIFICALLY said, and frankly it’s worthless providing you the quote since you’re not reading them anyway, but you’re welcome to scroll back because it’s there in black and white, that I was assuming you meant MASTER OF EDUCATION and NOT ‘MD’ meaning a doctor of medicine.

I mean, the words came out of my mouth that I’m assuming by ‘MEd’ you mean Master of education. They are there for all to see.
Yet here you are claiming I thought you were claiming to be an MD.
For someone with a degree in education, your reading comprehension is sorely lacking. That is my opinion.

You also seem to still fail to understand WHY it is important to understand that a finding of not guilty and an exoneration are not the same.
I mean, those of you following this, do you agree that the distinction is there..? Lolz. You claim you’re not meaning to use any terms in a legal way (which is obvious, trust me) but there IS no other way to properly understand them when you’re....uh, you know, talkin’ about a LEGAL proceeding.
Again, as a master of education, you of all people ought to be more dedicated than the average joe to the idea that a word MEANS something and should not be tossed about in ignorance, especially in the same breath as you’re berating the other contributors here for THEIR supposed ignorance.
It’s not really that you ‘forgot’ a decimal,though other statements make it clear you did NOT forget a decimal but rather purposefully left it out.
But of course people forget decimals or just plain have their numbers fudged up.
The reason you got so much blowback was because while no one minds an honest mistake, EVERYONE minds when the mistake is coming out of the mouth of the same person telling everyone else to get their facts straight so ‘we’ can at least have an intelligent discussion.

I mean, if you don’t see the difference then there’s no help for you, frankly.

I assure you I am old enough to have followed the case as it was tried, not after the fact, and yes, to have reviewed actual transcripts.
The link I sent you was an actual transcript of Ron Goldman’s actual autopsy report. I notice you are unable to apologize for claiming that you have it on good authority that he sustained mythical wounds he clearly did not.
Finally, you could not have searched particularly high nor low, as I was able to find several contemporary articles referring to the testing done on the blood evidence with the ten minutes’ time it took me to write this post.

Here, here’s one. :happydance:
http://www.nytimes.com/1994/07/09/us/the-simpson-case-the-details-testing-the-blood-3-ways.html

There are others. Use your masters degree and conduct your own research.
Again, some of your outrage seems to be the result of you not having been paying attention to what was actually said. We can’t help you getting insulted by words you’re putting into our mouths. So. You might work on making sure what you think was said was actually said.

As for your finding ‘dear’ demeaning, well. Let’s trade. You won’t tell anyone else to have the facts before daring to speak in your enlightened presence and don’t get hopped off at someone having the temerity to use ‘all over’ as a descriptor when you don’t approve while simultaneously excusing your own exaggeration as mere ‘semantics’ and, when you can, then perhaps everyone won’t mind taking your demands into consideration.

Perhaps, if anyone ELSE here has any reasons why the refutations you have received are incorrect or not useful, I would be glad to take the advice.

So.
Perhaps you should go ahead and go off to start a separate thread about why OJ is innocent. You keep harping on that and we keep pointing out that hasn’t been the point of ANY of this. Again with the reading comprehension failings. For the last time, what we said to you was simply in order to correct the blatant errors made, not to proclaim the reasons he is guilty or innocent. So I’m still not sure why you keep asking to ‘have a discussion about the actual case’.

That’s not the point of this thread. Bye, then. :wave:
 
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You know, this is a highly unproductive conversation because you appear to either not be reading what was said, not understanding what was said, or understanding but not caring.

I SPECIFICALLY said, and frankly it’s worthless providing you the quote since you’re not reading them anyway, but you’re welcome to scroll back because it’s there in black and white, that I was assuming you meant MASTER OF EDUCATION and NOT ‘MD’ meaning a doctor of medicine.

I mean, the words came out of my mouth that I’m assuming by ‘MEd’ you mean Master of education. They are there for all to see.
Yet here you are claiming I thought you were claiming to be an MD.
For someone with a degree in education, your reading comprehension is sorely lacking. That is my opinion.

You also seem to still fail to understand WHY it is important to understand that a finding of not guilty and an exoneration are not the same.
I mean, those of you following this, do you agree that the distinction is there..? Lolz. You claim you’re not meaning to use any terms in a legal way (which is obvious, trust me) but there IS no other way to properly understand them when you’re....uh, you know, talkin’ about a LEGAL proceeding.
Again, as a master of education, you of all people ought to be more dedicated than the average joe to the idea that a word MEANS something and should not be tossed about in ignorance, especially in the same breath as you’re berating the other contributors here for THEIR supposed ignorance.
It’s not really that you ‘forgot’ a decimal,though other statements make it clear you did NOT forget a decimal but rather purposefully left it out.
But of course people forget decimals or just plain have their numbers fudged up.
The reason you got so much blowback was because while no one minds an honest mistake, EVERYONE minds when the mistake is coming out of the mouth of the same person telling everyone else to get their facts straight so ‘we’ can at least have an intelligent discussion.

I mean, if you don’t see the difference then there’s no help for you, frankly.

I assure you I am old enough to have followed the case as it was tried, not after the fact, and yes, to have reviewed actual transcripts.
The link I sent you was an actual transcript of Ron Goldman’s actual autopsy report. I notice you are unable to apologize for claiming that you have it on good authority that he sustained mythical wounds he clearly did not.
Finally, you could not have searched particularly high nor low, as I was able to find several contemporary articles referring to the testing done on the blood evidence with the ten minutes’ time it took me to write this post.

Here, here’s one. :happydance:
http://www.nytimes.com/1994/07/09/us/the-simpson-case-the-details-testing-the-blood-3-ways.html

There are others. Use your masters degree and conduct your own research.
Again, some of your outrage seems to be the result of you not having been paying attention to what was actually said. We can’t help you getting insulted by words you’re putting into our mouths. So. You might work on making sure what you think was said was actually said.

As for your finding ‘dear’ demeaning, well. Let’s trade. You won’t tell anyone else to have the facts before daring to speak in your enlightened presence and don’t get hopped off at someone having the temerity to use ‘all over’ as a descriptor when you don’t approve while simultaneously excusing your own exaggeration as mere ‘semantics’ and, when you can, then perhaps everyone won’t mind taking your demands into consideration.

Perhaps, if anyone ELSE here has any reasons why the refutations you have received are incorrect or not useful, I would be glad to take the advice.

So.
Perhaps you should go ahead and go off to start a separate thread about why OJ is innocent. You keep harping on that and we keep pointing out that hasn’t been the point of ANY of this. Again with the reading comprehension failings. For the last time, what we said to you was simply in order to correct the blatant errors made, not to proclaim the reasons he is guilty or innocent. So I’m still not sure why you keep asking to ‘have a discussion about the actual case’.

That’s not the point of this thread. Bye, then. :wave:

You're right, highly unproductive. I find it very difficult to read these long paragraphs and comment accordingly while repeatedly scrolling up and down on my iPhone. I'm reading, understanding (as much as possible when things are lost in translation), and frankly sometimes simply not caring.

I came here to give my opinion as we're all entitled to. It's funny how one can give their opinion (on a public forum) without bashing others for theirs, yet when someone else calls you out because they disagree with your opinion people get bent out of shape when you respond.

It is libelous to write that someone's blood was all over a crime scene. Especially when the actual evidence could only show similarities and never prove that it was indeed his. I don't find that to be a particularly good idea and I said as much. If you disagree oh well, you're entitled to that just as I'm entitled to say it.

It's clear that things can get lost in translation. You just accused me of thinking that you thought I was claiming to be a doctor and that isn't what I thought at all. I simply thought you were correcting my abbreviation. So apparently, we both are lacking some reading comprehension skills. Mine comes from reading and responding after 2am feedings usually on a small iPhone that doesn't even show the whole comment. What is yours from?

But since you've proven that you understand what MEd actually means why even throw in the I'm assuming you didn't mean MD? It appeared to me as though you were attempting to correct my abbreviation as you keep correcting my choice of words.

Bottom line is that exonerate means to clear from blame, just yesterday Judge Marilyn Milian used the same term to say someone was exonerated from their rent. A husband can be exonerated from an accusation of cheating. Just because the term can be used legally doesn't mean it can't be used in a different context. You don't even need a degree to understand that, do you?

Lol at you also being able to read my mind and know that I purposefully left out the decimal, I'm not even sure that my phone didn't get rid of it ;)

I still stand by my initial statement.
While it is factual to say similar blood was found at the crime scene, it is not factual to say OJ's blood was found at the crime scene.
 
Since you want to be quoted, see above.

I’m sorry, but your assertion that Goldman received ‘the Colombian necktie’ is simply NOT FACTUAL.
Would you like to see the actual autopsy report? Here is a link.
http://www.lectlaw.com/files/cas47.htm

That should work, but if it doesn’t, it’s called ‘Google’.
The Colombian necktie is basically a mythical execution in which the throat is cut and the tongue pulled backwards down the throat and through the slit in the throat.
The fact that this is not anatomically possible has been addressed elsewhere before, but as you can see from the coroner’s own mouth, no such thing was done.

While an actual Columbian necktie (the whole pulling the tongue through the throat) is considered physically impossible, there is a variation that is done that law enforcement consider to be a Columbian necktie.

LAPD officers refer to what was done to Ron as a Columbian necktie. His throat was slashed horizontally on both the left and right sides then vertically down the middle.
 
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