....don't think I am much help, but I was able to score both in the last 2 weeks. I never saw these bag in person, but had seen many reviews online. I went to the Chanel inside NM 2-3 weeks ago.... they pretty much laughed at me in a nice way, but I was also able to find one rec. mini in black ghw the week after inside Saks. another week later called NM and there was one square mini to purchase. Before that had only purchased zipped coin purse. Don't give up. Keep trying. Things are coming in every week at the local boutiques, so keep calling and ask them to send pictures this way you will find a SA that will help you score one.