Legit grails is not reputable. They popped up originally by just comparing photos of authentics to photos of super-replicas on the Reddit sites. How they turned that into a business, I'll never know.
Loewe Paid Authentication Services
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My newly created authenticating puzzle discussion and question thread has been deleted with the remark: Please use paid authentication services. Or something along that line. It has been many years since I was a member here with a different account that I can’t get the admin here to help me recover. Are all authentication threads closed for all brands? Or just Loewe? The direction to use paid authentication seems very specific? Any reasons for this?
There is no TPF authenticator for Loewe and random members cannot comment. It doesn't mean more than that.
This statement wouldn't appear in other brand forums with TPF approved authenticators.
Hello ,
I would like to share my experience about buying Loewe bags pre-loved and using online authentication services. Last year I have bought several Loewe bags via platform called Vinted. It is a second hand market that offers buyers protection. This platform at first did not offer authentication services and so for my first bag I have used authentication service calle ****************** - they were quick and relatively cheap and I bought their authenticity certificate. They confirmed the bag was authentic. When I tried to re-sel the bag on platform called Vestiare collective , I provided them with said certificate , they told me the bag failed physical authentication.
Learning from this experience for the purchase of my other bag via the Vinted platform I have used different authenticator called Legit grails , again I got authenticity certificate. Few months later I tried to sell it on the same platform I bought it which is Vinted and they started providing authentication service which the person buying the bag from me used. This bag too failed physical authentication. I was gutted.
After this I reached out to another online authenticator called Legit checks this company is expensive I have paid about 100eur for it but they provided certificate specifically explaining why the bag is fake and who it is not complaint. My credit card company accepted this report and reimbursed me.
Please note I have also used Vinted paid authentication services when purchasing another Loewe bag and when I send it to Vestiare collective they said the bag was fake.
In summary I have used 4 different authentication services in the last 6 months for Loewe purchases. It appears that 3 of them authenticated bags which later failed authentications elsewhere. Not being expert myself I can not say it those bags are real of fake, and thus I can not say who is wrong, but I no longer trust the authentication process.
I don’t understand this world of authentications how can someone say it’s authentic and some its fake. I have gone back to the authenticators who confirmed authenticity and they explained that it is normal that authenticators disagree , they also said the database they use to check the photos also sometimes disagrees with itself. They also said it is good to ask for 2nd or even 3rd opinion when purchasing pre-loved.
Does anybody else have similar experience using different authentication services.
I would like to share my experience about buying Loewe bags pre-loved and using online authentication services. Last year I have bought several Loewe bags via platform called Vinted. It is a second hand market that offers buyers protection. This platform at first did not offer authentication services and so for my first bag I have used authentication service calle ****************** - they were quick and relatively cheap and I bought their authenticity certificate. They confirmed the bag was authentic. When I tried to re-sel the bag on platform called Vestiare collective , I provided them with said certificate , they told me the bag failed physical authentication.
Learning from this experience for the purchase of my other bag via the Vinted platform I have used different authenticator called Legit grails , again I got authenticity certificate. Few months later I tried to sell it on the same platform I bought it which is Vinted and they started providing authentication service which the person buying the bag from me used. This bag too failed physical authentication. I was gutted.
After this I reached out to another online authenticator called Legit checks this company is expensive I have paid about 100eur for it but they provided certificate specifically explaining why the bag is fake and who it is not complaint. My credit card company accepted this report and reimbursed me.
Please note I have also used Vinted paid authentication services when purchasing another Loewe bag and when I send it to Vestiare collective they said the bag was fake.
In summary I have used 4 different authentication services in the last 6 months for Loewe purchases. It appears that 3 of them authenticated bags which later failed authentications elsewhere. Not being expert myself I can not say it those bags are real of fake, and thus I can not say who is wrong, but I no longer trust the authentication process.
I don’t understand this world of authentications how can someone say it’s authentic and some its fake. I have gone back to the authenticators who confirmed authenticity and they explained that it is normal that authenticators disagree , they also said the database they use to check the photos also sometimes disagrees with itself. They also said it is good to ask for 2nd or even 3rd opinion when purchasing pre-loved.
Does anybody else have similar experience using different authentication services.
I am not sure if authentication has become so much more commercialised these days or is this just Loewe because as a brand they only recently become popular enough to be faked.
But I was forced to paying for one due to the absolute lack of knowledge in forums that are usually the bastion of luxury brand knowledge like this forum for example.
Like you, I quickly realise the pitfalls of paid authentication services. They have their uses of course.
The pitfalls are
(1) They are simply people's OPINIONS.
(2) Over reliance of paid authentications by buyers (myself included) - This is especially true when we as buyers don't know what we are looking at.
(3) The lack of standardised commercial practice of what "authenticating" really entails - This resulted in opinions that might as well be random and there is no way of telling if they are not.
(4) The extensive knowledge of a brand someone must have that takes constant study for new updates to be someone who can really authenticate something. - This takes a lot of time and "training" someone to be a good authenticator of a particular brand is a crap shoot at best it seems.
(5) The harm these do to resellers who genuinely sell authentic items
This is why a highly regarded Hermes authenticator only work with Hermes and nothing else. They call their authentication process an "observation". Because technically that is all they can do. Certificate of Observation is what they issue. Not Certificate of Authenticity. Which if we think about it, only the creators of the products can issue.
But Loewe did not even have its own subforum here until recently.
Authenticating Loewe is truly a nightmare in itself that I have decided NOT to buy preowned ever again. Unless I am absolutely certain about what I am looking at. Such as the first generation puzzle bag from circa 2016-2017 I just bought from a reseller.
I wont even bother authenticating.
When, or IF, I resell this bag, I can already see the nightmare of proofing that the bag is authentic to buyers who do not necessarily know what an authentic Loewe looks or feels like, and who are heavily relying on paid authenticators to tell them so.
what paid services are people liking for loewe? i have an item i need to get authenticated, but just realized real authentication doesn't cover them.
Hi, I know this is a late reply today but I just happened to look at the serial code on my Medium size Puzzle bag (tan) that I purchased directly from the Loewe store about 4 years ago (when the ‘white logo embossing’ on the flap and ‘old style’ pattern were in stock)
I just want to confirm that my Medium size Puzzle bag purchased directly from the Loewe does have the ‘C’ stamp to the left of the serial number!
I don’t know what the significance of the ‘C’ means but regardless, the quality is excellent
Now I am ‘panic buying’ a Small size Puzzle in tan and a Medium size Puzzle in Black (‘old style’ only for both)
I naively assumed the ‘old style’ would be around ‘forever’ lol,
Thanks for reading!
I assumed the same. I put off buying my tan and black medium Puzzles until it was almost too late. I sometimes wonder If I should add the tan and black in small when I see them on the resale sites. However, I'm really holding out for 2019 woven Puzzle. I still kick myself for not buying it when I had the chance.Hi, I know this is a late reply today but I just happened to look at the serial code on my Medium size Puzzle bag (tan) that I purchased directly from the Loewe store about 4 years ago (when the ‘white logo embossing’ on the flap and ‘old style’ pattern were in stock)
I just want to confirm that my Medium size Puzzle bag purchased directly from the Loewe does have the ‘C’ stamp to the left of the serial number!
I don’t know what the significance of the ‘C’ means but regardless, the quality is excellent
Now I am ‘panic buying’ a Small size Puzzle in tan and a Medium size Puzzle in Black (‘old style’ only for both)
I naively assumed the ‘old style’ would be around ‘forever’ lol,
Thanks for reading!
I think this was the original post that set off my intrigue.
Some other medium puzzles that are discontinuous in the back
https://www.therealreal.com/products/women/handbags/handle-bags/loewe-medium-puzzle-bag-ijiul (2014)
https://www.therealreal.com/products/women/handbags/handle-bags/loewe-medium-puzzle-bag-htbvx (2015)
https://www.therealreal.com/products/women/handbags/handle-bags/loewe-puzzle-bag-ifq0m (2016)
https://www.fashionphile.com/p/loewe-calfskin-medium-puzzle-bag-beige-597308 (2016)
LOEWE Calfskin Medium Puzzle Bag Black | FASHIONPHILE
This is an authentic LOEWE Calfskin Medium Puzzle Bag in Black. This elegant handbag is crafted of black calfskin leather. The bag features a rear zipper pocket, a black top handle, an optional shoulder strap, and silver hardware. This top zipper opens to a beige fabric interior with patch pockets.www.fashionphile.com
LOEWE Calfskin Medium Puzzle Bag Tan | FASHIONPHILE
This is an authentic LOEWE Calfskin Medium Puzzle Bag in Tan. This stunning bag is crafted of smooth calfskin leather in light brown. The bag features a rolled leather handle, a rear zipper pocket, and an adjustable leather shoulder strap with polished silver hardware. The top zipper opens to a...
LOEWE Puzzle Medium Leather Shoulder Bag Red
Item Details: Designer: LOEWE Model: Puzzle Medium Retail: N/A Style: Shoulder Bag Material: Leather Color: Red Made: Spain Measurements: W 11" H 7" D 5" Accessories: No Accessories. Condition Detail: Excellent - The Item is in excellent condition with minimal signs of use. Outside: Signs of...www.dallasdesignerhandbags.com
Loewe Handbags for Women - Vestiaire Collective
Buy second-hand Loewe Handbags for Women on Vestiaire Collective. Buy, sell, empty your wardrobe on our website.www.vestiairecollective.com
Puzzle leather handbag Loewe White in Leather - 36818101
Achetez votre puzzle leather handbag Loewe sur Vestiaire Collective, le dépôt vente chic sur Internet. Puzzle leather handbag Loewe White in Leather à prix d'occasion. 36818101
Bonus, small on Fashionphile:
LOEWE Calfskin Small Puzzle Bag Kaolin | FASHIONPHILE
This is an authentic LOEWE Calfskin Small Puzzle Bag in Kaolin. This messenger bag is crafted of soft, supple calfskin leather in off-white. The bag features a rear zipper pocket, a rolled handle, and an adjustable leather shoulder strap with polished silver hardware. The top zipper opens to a...
Bags that don't have it
https://www.fashionphile.com/p/loewe-calfskin-medium-puzzle-bag-tan-1272220 (2017)
https://www.therealreal.com/products/women/handbags/handle-bags/loewe-medium-puzzle-bag-i4aw8 (2018)
https://www.therealreal.com/products/women/handbags/handle-bags/loewe-2021-medium-puzzle-bag-hva2k (2021)
(2018)Loewe Handbags for Women - Vestiaire Collective
Buy second-hand Loewe Handbags for Women on Vestiaire Collective. Buy, sell, empty your wardrobe on our website.
(2018)
https://www.selfridges.com/US/en/ca...multi-function-leather-bag_735-10143-32230S20 (selfridges)
My theory is that design maybe changed between 2016 and 2017? There's a lot of limited release bags that I'm seeing with this discontinuous pattern as well. I think I'll try to authenticate via legit grails!
