Sounds fascinating, what industry? I don’t pretend to be so educated. I’d love to know how you counter the posts that other luxury houses also use external craftsmen?I work in vendor oversight for clinical trials and unfortunately this can't be further from truth in practice... when it's external you don't control...
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Yes you could not control when shipping the bag to the customer, and customer service are born for it. The bag quality can be perfect when JD examines before delivery, yet accidents may happen, and they did take responsibility for that by offering fixing, return or refund. And I believe except drug, cosmetics and ingestible products, you can always return the stuff you bought to the manufacturer.I work in vendor oversight for clinical trials and unfortunately this can't be further from truth in practice... when it's external you don't control...
buy-it-for-life aficionados like me love a good vertical integration not without a reason
So please tell me, does a diane messenger look so edible to you that you could not return it?
I don't know, I attended the trunk show and visited their shop in Paris, touched and tried on over 15 bags and was literally shocked at the level of quality as it was beyond anything I had seen in the past, including H. However they manufacture, and whoever they use, must be the best of the best as those bags are not only made to last, they are perfection. How can you do that level of work if you are not a master at your craft? It appears to me the oversight is just fine. I am not an expert in any of these areas, but I have looked at, and own, many luxury bags, so I feel I have a pretty good eye for quality and JD seems to have it down. Just my humble opinion.
+1 - Similar in-person observations, user experience, and comments here.
If anyone has a problem with a bag they purchased they should work with JD to resolve the issue. (My own experience and tales reported here suggest that this is highly likely to give a satisfying outcome.)
If anyone has an imaginary problem with a theoretical bag that they never intend to actually purchase..... buy a bag from someone else and enjoy that. (Also maybe find another hobby - bags are maybe not a good fit.)
you know we are not talking about bags with 3 figures price tags...
I wrote that I´m shocked to learn their bags are not made in-house that my job is to oversee external manufacturers in the most regulated industry and that imho you can´t control anything external... how is that controversial? why should I counter anything? why should you counter anything? why do you even care what I think and write about Joseph Duclos and their external manufacturing setup? it´s a red flag among others, why should it be ignored or minimised in any way???
Ok, here's another question for any of you who have a JD bag in Heritage leather---especially a color other than black or the chestnut. My fauve barenia pieces from Hermes are now very dark brown and I'm guessing that the black just has patina changes but doesn't change color. Correct?
But if you have another color, how has it changed over time? I'm considering a bag in a brighter colored heritage leather but not sure what happens to the blue, red, or green, or even the ardoise, over time and would like to know before ordering.
Thanks in advance!
But if you have another color, how has it changed over time? I'm considering a bag in a brighter colored heritage leather but not sure what happens to the blue, red, or green, or even the ardoise, over time and would like to know before ordering.
Thanks in advance!
huh? lol, controversial?you know we are not talking about bags with 3 figures price tags...
I wrote that I´m shocked to learn their bags are not made in-house that my job is to oversee external manufacturers in the most regulated industry and that imho you can´t control anything external... how is that controversial? why should I counter anything? why should you counter anything? why do you even care what I think and write about Joseph Duclos and their external manufacturing setup? it´s a red flag among others, why should it be ignored or minimised in any way???
I don't argue on the internet, I asked who you worked for, and then I asked how you felt about other houses outsourcing, neither of these questions warranted your reply.
I only have black and as mentioned prior it is developing a shine with use, whereas out of the box it was matte black like a chalkboard.
I will be curious what the Heritage owners with non-black leather say
that's an odd statement about a brand started in 2021... don't you find?
judging by promotional samples at trunk shows also seems strange... a bit like judging McDonalds food by how it looks in the ads
My bag definitely shows "flaws" (I call them love signs) that have come from usage - fingernail scrapes, my dog's runny nose drops, etc. The color is still saturated if less "uniform" than when new. The bag doesn't get worn a ton but I think it's patenating nicely.
Also the red is a very warm orangey red - probably not for every red fan.
FYI also my black NovoNappa from Peter Nitz has been worn and worn and worn - lots of scratches and the flap is creased, and it almost has become _lighter_ with patina. It's still black but a soft black IYKWIM.
I don't have any heritage leather yet but based on what I have observed, vegetable-tanned leathers acquire a honey-toned patina (like barenia and LV's vachetta), so you can just assume that over time the resulting color would be the base color overlaid with a brownish, transparent coating. so the blues will become a warm purple, the red will become orangey, green will look more olive, and the grey/ardoise will be sort of like khaki.
Hi, I have a Diane messenger in Bleu de Cocagne, if you go back in the thread you can see some photos that I’ve shared of how the patina has developed. It gets darker, with purplish undertones in some lighting. I believe it will continue to darken as I use it. It definitely has some scratches, especially the flap and the underside of the flap (when I scrabble around in it one-handed !), but the marks soften with time and use. You can rub the scuffs gently with a soft cloth to smooth them and they kind of melt back into the leather. Like @bagnut1 said, I too love the marks on heritage leather.
I’m a big natural leather fan, I have some barenia pieces from Hermes and Moynat that are now a really dark brown, and a beautiful olive novo nappa from Ramesh-era Moynat that has turned a deep grey-green. This is the same leather as Jospeh Duclos heritage, with Ramesh making the choice of leathers in both cases, so its safe to assume they will develop similar patinas.
The speed at which the patina will develop depends on how often you use it, how you handle it and any lotion or other products you may use. Hand creams etc are really not an issue (they accelerate the patina), but I have made the mistake of getting hand sanitizer on novo nappa and that is definitely a no-no
!!!Hope this helps.
Oh another thing, the patina on novo nappa will never be uniform, it gets darker where the bag is touched more or is more exposed. So, the handles for example will patina faster and be darker, while the part underneath the flap will stay quite true to the original colour for longer.Hi, I have a Diane messenger in Bleu de Cocagne, if you go back in the thread you can see some photos that I’ve shared of how the patina has developed. It gets darker, with purplish undertones in some lighting. I believe it will continue to darken as I use it. It definitely has some scratches, especially the flap and the underside of the flap (when I scrabble around in it one-handed !), but the marks soften with time and use. You can rub the scuffs gently with a soft cloth to smooth them and they kind of melt back into the leather. Like @bagnut1 said, I too love the marks on heritage leather.
I’m a big natural leather fan, I have some barenia pieces from Hermes and Moynat that are now a really dark brown, and a beautiful olive novo nappa from Ramesh-era Moynat that has turned a deep grey-green. This is the same leather as Jospeh Duclos heritage, with Ramesh making the choice of leathers in both cases, so its safe to assume they will develop similar patinas.
The speed at which the patina will develop depends on how often you use it, how you handle it and any lotion or other products you may use. Hand creams etc are really not an issue (they accelerate the patina), but I have made the mistake of getting hand sanitizer on novo nappa and that is definitely a no-no
Hope this helps.
I have wallets in novo where the inside of each fold is lighter than the body, I’m constantly fascinated by seeing the patina develop !
a good example of this is the interview of the CEO of Joseph Duclos that I posted some pages back, where he clearly got a Diane that was a window display because the patina is somewhat diagonal. I think it's pretty
Well it is surely better than judging a brand by a nonsense complaint with no actual receipt and educational knowledge ...that's an odd statement about a brand started in 2021... don't you find?
judging by promotional samples at trunk shows also seems strange... a bit like judging McDonalds food by how it looks in the ads