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There will definitely be a difference in workmanship. One is 200 years in business perfecting the leathercraft and supplying the Royal Court of the Kingdom of Belgium since XIXth century. The other is a 2-year old startup advertising themselves as heritage with freshly graduated apprentices making the bags. People should stop taking promoted content from ads and "influencers" at face value and look at things factually and realistically.
Hello fatfire, I've read some of your comments on this thread and feel the hostility towards JD lol. I can tell you are from the industry, either you have worked for a brand or are still working for a brand. Good on you for your knowledge and for schooling us on whatever you know about the leather industry. Kudos to you for that!

Now, I actually feel compelled to comment on this particular post of yours. Your discussion about workmanship between the 2 maisons is what actually fascinates me.

I recently had the pleasure of checking out Delvaux's latest collection in Paris and was very warmly welcomed by M.Loubier and his team, all of whom were always very sweet and kind. While I find Delvaux's pieces elegant on the whole (design-wise), I will have to refute you on your statement alluding to Delvaux's workmanship being far more superior than JD's. While "200 year old business perfecting leathercraft" of Delvaux may be part of the brand story, I don't think any consumer buying a Delvaux bag will receive a bag made by an artisan who has had "200 years of leathercraft" experience lol. Find me any 200-year old artisan who has perfected leathercraft, please-- I'd love to interview them! :smile:

In fact, as I remember, I've chatted up to a few of Delvaux's artisans in the past who were actually very, very young. I clearly remember one in his early 30s and one in her late 20s! So let's not discount young artisans or even artisans-in-training. Some are truly talented and are far more advanced than others who have been in the leathercraft trade far longer. If you are in the industry, surely you'd either have had visited or at least have access to the age demographic of the artisans at the Hermes atelier in Pantin. So, an artisan's age or the length of time they've spent training and then working on creating premium leather products is not the only barometer for how good their work can be. Talent is too. And there are many young, talented artisans around today-- and that's great for us consumers! I hope they can keep the art of leathercraft alive :smile:

At the Delvaux showroom, I expressed interest in the ceramic Le Caprice which would be available only by pre-order. And as a rule, I always like to inspect the bag inside out before I commit to making a purchase. After all, 5 figures and above for a designer bag is not chump change (unless you're a trust fund baby haha, and even so...). Anyhow, the Delvaux team apologized that they are "unable" to open the ceramic Le Caprice for me to inspect. Instead they offered to show me the all-leather Le Caprice. So I played with the bag and really inspected it. Exterior was beautiful, and yes, machine stitched, which is not a problem for me. I also loved the handle.

But the interior of the bag was what surprised and actually disappointed me. For what you have said is a brand with "200 years in business perfecting the leathercraft," the Caprice's interior stitches were uneven, and I also found it baffling that they'd put a separate piece of a leather base and secure the bag with 4 metal rivets inside. The leather version of Delvaux's Le Caprice is priced a little over 7,000 Euros. When I pointed out the uneven stitching of the interiors to them, they were taken aback. And profusely apologized and even said "oh because the bag is just a press sample." I find that even more surprising. Because if you are indeed a luxury maison, you should never put out subpar-finished product that would otherwise cost the consumer over 7K euros, as a sample. Doesn't matter if it's someone from the press who will inspect it or a paying customer (or both).

Don't get me wrong, I like Delvaux very much too, and like many fashion houses today, they are not immune to quality issues too. I don't shoot them down for it completely nor do I make the decision to fully remove Delvaux from my list of brands to "watch out for." I continue to look forward to seeing their pieces and how they can improve further, but that particular experience left me questioning my desire to purchase their bags, at least for now.

I've attached a video of the Delvaux Le Caprice as well as a photo of its interior. And I can tell you too that from personal experience, I've never seen that kind of quality from a Duclos bag so far.
 

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Woops my video wouldn't upload re: my comment about the Delvaux Le Caprice's quality (as fatfire had compared Delvaux and said Delvaux's was more superior than JD's).

Anyway here are some more stills I screencapped from my Delvaux Le Caprice video.

You'lll see the stitching and that separate base panel held together by the corner metal rivets. And maybe understand why I will never put Delvaux in the same category as JD in terms of quality ✌ You won't see this kind of stitching in JD bags. Anyway, you be the judge 🙂
 

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Woops my video wouldn't upload re: my comment about the Delvaux Le Caprice's quality (as fatfire had compared Delvaux and said Delvaux's was more superior than JD's).

Anyway here are some more stills I screencapped from my Delvaux Le Caprice video.

You'lll see the stitching and that separate base panel held together by the corner metal rivets. And maybe understand why I will never put Delvaux in the same category as JD in terms of quality ✌ You won't see this kind of stitching in JD bags. Anyway, you be the judge 🙂
Wow, bizarre thing to let "slip by" for a sample bag unless they didn't think that the bag would actually be handled (and if not, what's the point of the sample?).

I also appreciate your comments on the longevity of artisans and agree completely. Delvaux, H, etc., are not using indentured servants and keeping them and their offspring locked up producing bags in perpetuity. The argument that those firms are de facto superior at workmanship is a complete fallacy.
 
The Taylor Swift effect?

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Please correct me if I’m wrong, but I think there have been price increases on the Châtaignier and Nénuphar colors in heritage leather. I remember all of the heritage leather messengers being similar in price. The Brique tempo has always been the least expensive of the style. The Nénuphar price has me questioning if we’ll see her wearing a green messenger sometime soon.

There are a couple of other styles that show very recent price increases, too. If the exchange rate affected the prices, wouldn’t there be a comparable increase across all bags? I wonder how many bags/styles she chose. Why, oh why, oh why?:crybaby:
 
The Taylor Swift effect?

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Please correct me if I’m wrong, but I think there have been price increases on the Châtaignier and Nénuphar colors in heritage leather. I remember all of the heritage leather messengers being similar in price. The Brique tempo has always been the least expensive of the style. The Nénuphar price has me questioning if we’ll see her wearing a green messenger sometime soon.

There are a couple of other styles that show very recent price increases, too. If the exchange rate affected the prices, wouldn’t there be a comparable increase across all bags? I wonder how many bags/styles she chose. Why, oh why, oh why?:crybaby:
the Coquelicot and Ardoise are 5600 eur as well. a similar price difference can be seen in the L20 Dianes
 
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Woops my video wouldn't upload re: my comment about the Delvaux Le Caprice's quality (as fatfire had compared Delvaux and said Delvaux's was more superior than JD's).

Anyway here are some more stills I screencapped from my Delvaux Le Caprice video.

You'lll see the stitching and that separate base panel held together by the corner metal rivets. And maybe understand why I will never put Delvaux in the same category as JD in terms of quality ✌ You won't see this kind of stitching in JD bags. Anyway, you be the judge 🙂
Knowing how clean the granite bag from Moynat turned out there’s no excuse for this from Delvaux regardless of how structured it is.
 
The Taylor Swift effect?

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Please correct me if I’m wrong, but I think there have been price increases on the Châtaignier and Nénuphar colors in heritage leather. I remember all of the heritage leather messengers being similar in price. The Brique tempo has always been the least expensive of the style. The Nénuphar price has me questioning if we’ll see her wearing a green messenger sometime soon.

There are a couple of other styles that show very recent price increases, too. If the exchange rate affected the prices, wouldn’t there be a comparable increase across all bags? I wonder how many bags/styles she chose. Why, oh why, oh why?:crybaby:
Regardless of the overall price increases, I think that the gold plated hardware Diane bags have always been more expensive than the silver colored hardware, as noted above.
 
Knowing how clean the granite bag from Moynat turned out there’s no excuse for this from Delvaux regardless of how structured it is.
Oh totally agree with you. I was pretty baffled why they wouldnt allow me to see the Delvaux caprice ceramic bag which looked absolutelt stunning from the exterior. But i wasnt allowed to handle it either 🤷🏻‍♀️ oh the funnier part about the Caprice leather version after I pointed out the stitching, the Delvaux rep even told me "honestly I never really inspected the inside of the bag." I mean 🤯🤯 That really stunned me for a minute. I told her, but these are €7k bags, and the beautiful Brillant bag that I also eyeballed was €15k... as a customer I'd want a beautifully made bag for that price. Not a bag with wonky stitches 💀 that said, I still like Delvaux's styles but I will wait it out. I can wait. I am patient haha ❤️

Meanwhile, as you have mentioned, the RameshNair-Moynat's granite bag from before-- I even remember opening it up and really admired how clean the stitching was. And that was just a press sample ❤️ -- I asked if they were gonna sell that and they said it was really a sample, not for sale. I wouldn't have minded buying that press sample -- that bag was absolute perfection 🤪

Moynat today is 💔💔
 
Totally random musing...but do any of you fellow bag lovers ever have a spell where you don't carry a bag, and then you go through a phase wondering why you'd spend this kind of money on something you don't even need to carry? I have a new puppy so I am sleep deprived, but also, while I wait for my L30 I admire other bags and start to have bag envy - then I think, why do I need any of these bags, and how am I justifying used car pricing on handbags?? Am I alone in this? lol
 
Totally random musing...but do any of you fellow bag lovers ever have a spell where you don't carry a bag, and then you go through a phase wondering why you'd spend this kind of money on something you don't even need to carry? I have a new puppy so I am sleep deprived, but also, while I wait for my L30 I admire other bags and start to have bag envy - then I think, why do I need any of these bags, and how am I justifying used car pricing on handbags?? Am I alone in this? lol
No you are not alone. I fantasize about being a true minimalist and making do with pockets. Then I remember who I am (Bagnut).

I am so excited to see and hear about your L30!
 
Totally random musing...but do any of you fellow bag lovers ever have a spell where you don't carry a bag, and then you go through a phase wondering why you'd spend this kind of money on something you don't even need to carry? I have a new puppy so I am sleep deprived, but also, while I wait for my L30 I admire other bags and start to have bag envy - then I think, why do I need any of these bags, and how am I justifying used car pricing on handbags?? Am I alone in this? lol
Lol you're definitely not alone. I think I go through these questions in my head when I have to clean my closet LOL. It's everything in my closet that feels wrong because they're all so cramped and you realize, you don't even wear or use half of what's in there. Been there. Regularly :)
 
I just can't wrap my head around the hype surrounding this brand. The designs don't strike me as anything extraordinary, and the prices are what really boggle my mind—they're exorbitant! It feels like the value just isn't there for what they're asking.
If they are not for you then they are not for you. My friends also said that they are not their styles. Everybody has their own opinions and you’re entitled to your opinion
 
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