Johnny Depp

[FreeSpirit71]

I read it. Thank you for posting it.

No worries. I'm interested now to hear Johnny's side of it.

Also...the photo's of her jewellery shopping? They are from April, not after she filed for divorce.

http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/amber-heard-didnt-go-shopping-at-tiffanys-after-johnny-depp-split-w208052

 

[BagBerry13]

Ok, I admit domestic violence is the one kind of violence I have a hard time understanding simply because I've got the kind of personality where if my partner would just attempt to abuse me he'd be without his balls. I have a hard time understanding why people do not walk away from those relationships. Clearly, you can't claim that person is still loving you when they do these kind of things. Given that she's claiming there were two further incidents in the last 6 months. That didn't keep her from dragging him on every red carpet during awards season to promote The Danish Girl. If she feared for her life wouldn't a premiere without the abusive husband be a relief every now and then? Most of the time he didn't look like he wanted to be there.

Something must've happened. I'm just not sure about the degree it's presented in the media.

 

[Singra]

I read a fairly in depth article on bodyguards in Hollywood a couple weeks back, in it there was a small snippet about Depp's bodyguards. They said he spends "a lot" on security and that he was often in LA when people thought he was in France. They said he likes people to think he's not like other HWood celebrities and that he pays people a fortune to do things for him so that he's not seen in LA. I had read something similar thing in another article so perhaps they just cribbed it from there.

The other stories of multiple alleged abuse are more disturbing and disappointing than the cell phone story. I can see someone losing it and throwing something at someone but if it was on a more regular basis the guy needs help.

Actually he needs to get help anyway... the signs of trouble have been around for a while, the public drunkenness, the disheveled appearances, the excessive use of hair products... but I agree with Bagberry it's always seemed more like self harm and not something directed outwardly at people. He's never been disrespectful of women in public, there haven't been stories of abuse (apart from the trashing of hotel rooms) and his choice of roles don't reveal any aggression in the way that Sean Penn's or Mel Gibson's do. The choice of film roles is kind of a silly thing to mention but I do believe that the roles an actor chooses (and JD is powerful enough to choose some of his own roles) can reveal an underlying pathology or thinking.

No worries. I'm interested now to hear Johnny's side of it.

Even when he releases a statement I'm not sure it'll mean much. He has some pretty hefty PR, a small fortune at stake and likely a team that has an interest in not seeing that fortune get smaller. This is probably going to get uglier.

Strange that he didn't just cave and pay her spousal support, when you have upwards of $300 million what's $50 000 a month.

 

[BagBerry13]

Anyone who's interested in working in PR should follow this story the next few weeks. You'll gonna see some great and powerful publicity work from his publicist. She knows what she's doing and this is gonna get ugly.

 

[Wildflower22]

Ok, I admit domestic violence is the one kind of violence I have a hard time understanding simply because I've got the kind of personality where if my partner would just attempt to abuse me he'd be without his balls. I have a hard time understanding why people do not walk away from those relationships. Clearly, you can't claim that person is still loving you when they do these kind of things. Given that she's claiming there were two further incidents in the last 6 months. That didn't keep her from dragging him on every red carpet during awards season to promote The Danish Girl. If she feared for her life wouldn't a premiere without the abusive husband be a relief every now and then? Most of the time he didn't look like he wanted to be there.

Something must've happened. I'm just not sure about the degree it's presented in the media.

It may sound crazy, but abuse victims are so often manipulated that they put on a happy face in public. My mom is one of the most strong, independent women I know. Truly, she has two masters degrees, two bachelors, she's lived all over the world, didn't get married till after 30 etc. My step dad ended up abusing her for 20 years and no one knew. It wasn't physical but emotional. He has a personality disorder so the abuse and manipulation were very, very bad. And she stayed with him. I never would have put up with it, but she did. So you just never know. A manipulative man or woman can be very, very persuasive.

 

[Livia1]

Strange that he didn't just cave and pay her spousal support, when you have upwards of $300 million what's $50 000 a month.

Maybe because the abuse story isn't true, so he had no way of knowing this is how it would unfold.

 

[dangerouscurves]

It may sound crazy, but abuse victims are so often manipulated that they put on a happy face in public. My mom is one of the most strong, independent women I know. Truly, she has two masters degrees, two bachelors, she's lived all over the world, didn't get married till after 30 etc. My step dad ended up abusing her for 20 years and no one knew. It wasn't physical but emotional. He has a personality disorder so the abuse and manipulation were very, very bad. And she stayed with him. I never would have put up with it, but she did. So you just never know. A manipulative man or woman can be very, very persuasive.

My respect for your mom. There's no way I'm gonna put your father is a positive light, but could it be that your mom loved him so much? Maybe your could see pass through his abusive behavior? Either way it's not acceptable but I don't think your mom is the kind of woman who is easily manipulated.

Anyways, I won't try to defend JD, I still get the vibes that Amber is pulling a Kelly Rutherford. Hitting a woman is wrong no matter what but this is too sudden.

 

[Singra]

^ yeah that's definitely a horrible situation.


The thing is if people are honest there tends to be some element of abuse/bullying to most relationships. You can say this is how people should behave but who among us is so perfect that we're not going to screw up and who among us hasn't bullied someone at one time (frequently someone close to us). The type of situations of clear abuse where it's ongoing and systemic have happened because someone didn't draw the line early enough and didn't get out early enough. How do you know when it's a small thing and when it's a sign of something more serious early enough? How do you know when you're over reacting and when you're not reacting enough? There are also situations where it can be difficult to distinguish who's the victim and who's the abuser... as I'm typing this I'm thinking people are probably going to think I'm an apologist.

I got into a fight with a boyfriend once and it got heated... anyway things got a little out of hand, some things were thrown and I caught the edge of his elbow on my chin (that left a small mark.. he wasn't left with any physical mark) as we were pushing each other. I should also add that I did martial arts for a number of years and was used to physical aggression. When I told friends about it they said things like... "you have to leave him... if it happens once, it'll happen again... this is a sign of a deeper problem". To be honest at no point did I feel in fear for my life and I always felt it was a mutually combustable situation but some of my friends kept pestering me about it to the point that I questioned myself. I disregarded their advice and look I wouldn't say it was the best relationship but I personally never felt it was to the point where I could say I was being emotionally abused. Anyway nothing like that did happen again and we broke up a couple years later and that was that.


I've also gotten into epic (and I mean epic) fights with siblings when I was younger. When I was 14 I pushed/smacked my sister's face into the kitchen tile so hard (and honestly for no good reason) that it left a huge bruise and imprint on her forehead for an hour afterwards (the imprint that is, the bruise took another month to disappear). I was always a good kid and I've never been accused of being especially angry or violent tempered but sometimes you're overtaken by a blinding rage. I think I've only gone over the edge three times (and perhaps by other people's standards it's not over the edge) in my life not to any long lasting or horrible consequences... it would suck if I was to be judged on those three incidents in isolation.



So to get back to Depp and Heard... I have no idea how serious the situation is. It could be bad, it could also be a set of minor altercations or mutually combustable situations that's being used for profit and/or payback.

 

[Deco]

the signs of trouble have been around for a while, the public drunkenness, the disheveled appearances, the excessive use of hair products... .

I'm taking this all in. Given these two people, either or both could be telling the truth and/or lying and it's too soon, at least for me, to tell what's going on. But your bolded comment made me bust a gut

As someone who left my punk-*** ex while he was in the throes of his midlife crisis, I can tell you that it's a bit of a game-changing experience. Even if JD never hit or abused anyone before, he could very well start for the first time while in a midlife crisis and after just having experienced the death of his mom. People who suffer severe forms of midlife crises have a lifelong predisposition to narcissism and inability to handle disappointment. All that gets amped up to the nth degree when they perceive a loss of youth and sexual power and it all manifests (in men mostly) as severe anger, which is really how severe depression is expressed. I can see him getting physically abusive. My ex never got physical or even verbally abusive, but he acted so bizarrely that my regular reaction to him, someone I'd been with for 20 years, became "who the hell are you?" Midlife crises can really change people drastically or let out all their demons unchecked. It's like taking a wrecking ball to everything, figuratively or sometimes literally.

I can also see her making the whole thing up just to extract more cash. At this point anything is possible. We shall see.

 

[sdkitty]

People keep going on about her being a gold digger and all, which I'm sure she is, but why not mention that this is actually a very risky move for her? It could hurt her career loads, because in Hollywood it seems like people prefer sticking up for the men, especially if they're generally loved - which Johnny is. I can already see some people in this thread argue in that direction: like what exactly about her dress comes across as ingenuine?!

that dress looks very demure.....not at all like anything I've seen on her
I'd have to guess her attorney advised her to look this way

 

[shiny_things]

Ok, I admit domestic violence is the one kind of violence I have a hard time understanding simply because I've got the kind of personality where if my partner would just attempt to abuse me he'd be without his balls. I have a hard time understanding why people do not walk away from those relationships. Clearly, you can't claim that person is still loving you when they do these kind of things. Given that she's claiming there were two further incidents in the last 6 months. That didn't keep her from dragging him on every red carpet during awards season to promote The Danish Girl. If she feared for her life wouldn't a premiere without the abusive husband be a relief every now and then? Most of the time he didn't look like he wanted to be there.

Something must've happened. I'm just not sure about the degree it's presented in the media.

The thing with DV is that it's often accompanied with emotional abuse. Anyone can be a victim, anyone. No matter how savvy, educated or whatever. Even women who say 'that would never be me, I'd leave' get in those situations and don't leave.

 

[sdkitty]

According to this article with new details of her legal applications, Amber tried to settle out of court and did not want it to get to the media. She's also named witnesses on both sides including Johnny's bodyguard.

Make of it what you will.

http://www.celebitchy.com/487871/am...this_out_of_court_she_has_multiple_witnesses/

There's also a very disturbing account of his security team walking in on him abusing her and doing nothing.

I highly recommend reading this. Its a good article.

I hope this doesn't seem anti-feminist but I can maybe understand his rage. From his POV this young woman is living in a home paid for by his money and he's basically being kicked out. She's asking for spousal support after 15 months of marriage. Yes, he has more than enough money but I think a short marriage with no children is much different than a longer marriage where a woman has possibly given up a career to raise kids, support her husband's career, etc.
And I'm sure his lawyers are advising him that he shouldn't cave to her lawyers.

What has she lost? What career did she have before the marriage? I've never seen her in anything.
I'd be willing to bet if she moved out of his home and stopped asking for money she wouldn't have to be afraid of him. Not justifying any physical violence if there was any but I imagine he's feeling used (which was due to his own stupidity).
His career will go on. Not sure about hers but I'm sure she will end up much richer than most of us.

 

[mundodabolsa]

Thinking that Amber's handling of the situation is disgusting and clearly taking advantage of things and thinking Johnny is guilty are not exclusive sentiments.

I can't make a judgement on if there was or was not violence. I wasn't there, I haven't seen the evidence. However I can make a judgement on her comically exaggerated victim portrayal.

Thinking her theatrics are not genuine does not mean I think she's a liar or that I'm downplaying abuse and siding with Johnny. One thing I can see with my own eyes and form an opinion on. For the other, I will need facts.

 

[Alexenjie]

I've been a long time fan of Johnny Depp but still would not be totally surprised if he is capable of domestic violence. If he is an abuser, alcoholic, drug addict or whatever, I hope he seeks help.

Even if Amber is a gold digger, the laws of California will give her half of whatever Johnny made during their 15 month marriage plus whatever gifts he gave her. I read she will get at least $15 million dollars. Johnny could and I would guess would add more to speed up the divorce and make her go away quietly. The majority of his fortune is not in danger.

 

[sdkitty]

I've been a long time fan of Johnny Depp but still would not be totally surprised if he is capable of domestic violence. If he is an abuser, alcoholic, drug addict or whatever, I hope he seeks help.

Even if Amber is a gold digger, the laws of California will give her half of whatever Johnny made during their 15 month marriage plus whatever gifts he gave her. I read she will get at least $15 million dollars. Johnny could and I would guess would add more to speed up the divorce and make her go away quietly. The majority of his fortune is not in danger.

a million dollars a month
not a bad payday