Johnny Depp

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I can't. Just never mind.

I never said she was the victim nor did I say he was 'bad,' nor does it really make any difference.

Someone saying that "it couldn't have been that bad" because she was doing... whatever the next day is so ridiculous. That's why we don't just judge people based on their reactions to things...

Kids who don't disclose sexual abuse, is it 'not that bad' because they didn't tell? Women who move on with their lives after not reporting rape - well, that must be 'not that bad' also. I'm glad we have someone to let us know when something crosses the threshold into an appropriate level of trauma.

Agree with both of your posts, mrsinsyder. And people wonder why many women don't come forward with domestic violence. Amber showed courage when she took on one of the most powerful men in Hollywood, knowing the repercussions of what would happen, ie a witch hunt, pretty much.
 
This. Also up until the accusations surfaced, people thought Bill Cosby would never do the things he's accused of either - and in that case the victims were not believed and all sorts of things said about them too.



The truth will out as I said before. The courts and police will get to the bottom of it.


I thought of Bill Cosby immediately while reading the arguments here. When those accusations came out he had many defenders in his thread. They could not fathom how a celebrity could be so different in his private life from the image he projected of himself in public. Only after dozens of women have come forward describing Cosby's modus operandi in detail have most supporters stopped proclaiming his innocence. He is the perfect example about how a powerful celebrity can control what you think of him. Only when Cosby became old and relatively insignificant in the industry did he become vulnerable. Before that he was untouchable and he did as he pleased.

I hope everyone keeps that in mind when talking about Johnny Depp. Amber could well be a gold digger but there's nobody in this thread who knows what Johnny is capable of.
 
Why do people always assume alcoholic and drug users run around hitting people in the house? I dated a drug user and all he did just lied down either in bed, in the floor or in the bathtub. I don't think Johnny is the wife-beater type. There would've been news about it if he was. Russel Crowe anyone?
Someone said if she was just gold digging, she would've just stayed with him and have some side pieces. Well, Johnny is not that old, I doubt he'd die anytime soon of a natural cause. Beside, why get the milk of you can get the cow for free. We all agree that Johnny is too old for Amber and we all know that Johnny loved her but not the other way around. Amber doesn't look like a timid, weak hausfrau woman, if anything she looks like a man-eater. That's why HER story is hard for me to believe. I'm not a fan of Johnny anyway. I never find him handsome. Not even in 21 Jump Street.
 
I think the comparison of Johnny and Bill is a little bit of a stretch. Bill could hide and was safe all along because he was the American dad. Johnny has always been an odd ball.

I think his drinking etc has long been gotten away with as an extension of his quirkiness and creativity, and a by-product of him playing Capt Jack Sparrow.

I'm not comparing Bill to Johnny per se, but rather the immediate knee-jerk reaction to their accusers. One of Bill's accusers is someone I can't stand ie; Janice Dickinson. That doesn't invalidate her experience at the hands of Cosby.

I'm not going to write Amber off simply because I don't like her - which I don't.
 
^^He's definitely odd. Always has been. But even though he's past his prime he still projects an image of himself that some people find very appealing. He doesn't have to have a squeaky clean image to conceal facets of his personality.
 
I think his drinking etc has long been gotten away with as an extension of his quirkiness and creativity, and a by-product of him playing Capt Jack Sparrow.



I'm not comparing Bill to Johnny per se, but rather the immediate knee-jerk reaction to their accusers. One of Bill's accusers is someone I can't stand ie; Janice Dickinson. That doesn't invalidate her experience at the hands of Cosby.



I'm not going to write Amber off simply because I don't like her - which I don't.


I do understand that your comparison is on how we reacted to the news. The thing is Bill has always been a private person, always well-mannered, so it was hard for the public to accept the fact. With Johnny, well, you always hear and read his antics, so, we wouldn't miss the news if he's ever been a wife abuser.

That, and add to the fact that Amber went to the court wearing all black, no make-up and looking very prim, reminds me of how Kelly Rutherford went to the custody battle court in all-white.
 
^^He's definitely odd. Always has been. But even though he's past his prime he still projects an image of himself that some people find very appealing. He doesn't have to have a squeaky clean image to conceal facets of his personality.

Sure, and I loved that too until a few years ago when he seemed to be starting to lose his grip. At the end of his relationship with Vanessa is when he started to seem "off" to me.

Up until then he seemed like one of those guests who would be fabulous at a dinner party; a bit of a bohemian wino (no pun intended) who would regale the table with heavily embellished wonderful stories, get everyone singing then tell you behind the scenes tales of working with Jim Jarmusch.

^That's the romanticised version, the public image.

I think IRL it's far more stark when he's not "on"
 
I do understand that your comparison is on how we reacted to the news. The thing is Bill has always been a private person, always well-mannered, so it was hard for the public to accept the fact. With Johnny, well, you always hear and read his antics, so, we wouldn't miss the news if he's ever been a wife abuser.

It depends on the relationship. Maybe those women (if it's true) just didn't want to speak of it. Especially if it may affect their career.

Note: Please bear in mind JD may be innocent and I know that. It's just very concerning to me that people are leaping to immediately call Amber a liar. She may very well not be.
 
Sure, and I loved that too until a few years ago when he seemed to be starting to lose his grip. At the end of his relationship with Vanessa is when he started to seem "off" to me.



Up until then he seemed like one of those guests who would be fabulous at a dinner party; a bit of a bohemian wino (no pun intended) who would regale the table with heavily embellished wonderful stories, get everyone singing then tell you behind the scenes tales of working with Jim Jarmusch.



^That's the romanticised version, the public image.



I think IRL it's far more stark when he's not "on"


Yes, that public image of him as the "charming eccentric". Everyone loves the facade but they don't think about whether somebody could maintain that personality constantly. I imagine living with him would be quite a different experience.
 
Why do people always assume alcoholic and drug users run around hitting people in the house? I dated a drug user and all he did just lied down either in bed, in the floor or in the bathtub. I don't think Johnny is the wife-beater type. There would've been news about it if he was. Russel Crowe anyone?
Someone said if she was just gold digging, she would've just stayed with him and have some side pieces. Well, Johnny is not that old, I doubt he'd die anytime soon of a natural cause. Beside, why get the milk of you can get the cow for free. We all agree that Johnny is too old for Amber and we all know that Johnny loved her but not the other way around. Amber doesn't look like a timid, weak hausfrau woman, if anything she looks like a man-eater. That's why HER story is hard for me to believe. I'm not a fan of Johnny anyway. I never find him handsome. Not even in 21 Jump Street.

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I do understand that your comparison is on how we reacted to the news. The thing is Bill has always been a private person, always well-mannered, so it was hard for the public to accept the fact. With Johnny, well, you always hear and read his antics, so, we wouldn't miss the news if he's ever been a wife abuser.

That, and add to the fact that Amber went to the court wearing all black, no make-up and looking very prim, reminds me of how Kelly Rutherford went to the custody battle court in all-white.

Thank you! The things Kelly R. has accused her ex of doing, jezzz. Or Halle Berry crying wolf every time her relationships go wrong.
This just to say that some women unfortunately do lie about these things.
 
I just find the timing very odd. Why not file for the restraining order straight away on Monday when she filed for divorce if she's so scared for her life? Why wait until he's out of the country? And the restraining order for the dog? A bit dramatic, don't you think?

I think his alcohol and drug abuse was always more about self harm than anything else. He might have anger management issues and allegedly had problems with Kate Moss. But he dated Vanessa Paradis for 12 long years and suddenly his anger management issues were gone during that time? If he had such an abusive personality Vanessa wouldn't have put up with him for so long. She had kicked his arse. They probably would still date and his midlife crisis could've been dealt with less awkwardly if Amber wouldn't have used her chance on The Rum Diary.

And btw, I had no problem believing Bill Cosby did it. I didn't grow up in the US so I didn't buy into the whole Huxtable ish. But here something seems off. Some women just like to play the victim card like Livia1 said above with Kelly Rutherford and Halle Berry.
 
This is from a poster on Celebitchy (GingerNYC):it puts the timeline on better perspective.

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Correct me if I’m wrong, but it seems like this is the timeline of events:
1- JD’s mom dies
2- JD &and AH have altercation. AH takes pictures.
3- (last Friday) Amber files papers to request a hearing on the temp restraining order. Included in those papers are these allegations as well as pictures. At this point these papers are not yet public record.
4- (last weekend) JD offers AH settlement money so as to end any court proceedings.
5- (Monday) AH files for divorce, requesting spousal support.
6- JD files response. Requests that no support be granted.
7- (today) hearing on TRO. judge reviews AH’s papers, finds in favor of AH, and grants TREO. after hearing all papers become part of the public record.

So what that seems to mean is that he offered her money last weekend if she would stop the hearing process and/or not file divorce papers. And she obviously said no. Now what kind of gold digger is that? She didn’t even give Disney time to figure out how much they would kick in! She would know that she needed more than 2 days to get her best offer out of them.
It seems far more likely to me that he hit her, she didn’t feel safe and requested the TRO, JD found out about the hearing and tried to buy her off, she turned down his offer of money and instead spent the weekend with her att’y getting papers ready, then she filed for divorce on Monday. THAT scenario makes the most sense to me.
As to the request for spousal support, two things are important: first, that the atty included the sp spt request as part of the 1st filing because you must request it in those papers or you are barred from ever requesting it. So the atty throws in everything and the kitchen sink so as to avoid being precluded at a later time. That way it doesn’t matter what his strategy is or what happens down the road because you’ve addressed it. Also, it’s good for negotiating purposes. You are giving yourself something to throw out and act like by doing so you are compromising. Second, she may well be anticipating his statements and the resulting backlash and wants to be sure that she gets some money even if she completely loses her career as a result. Either is fair and both are smart moves. Neither is just because she is a gold digger.

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A longtime poster on CB who is in family law agreed with this assessment.
 
People keep going on about her being a gold digger and all, which I'm sure she is, but why not mention that this is actually a very risky move for her? It could hurt her career loads, because in Hollywood it seems like people prefer sticking up for the men, especially if they're generally loved - which Johnny is. I can already see some people in this thread argue in that direction: like what exactly about her dress comes across as ingenuine?!
 
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