Is this marketing email from Fashionphile cultural appropriation?

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Sorry @jellyv, but I find your argument quite insulting to my field of research and terribly misinformed.
How is jelly's comments insulting? The field of literature, especially at a postgrad level, is not perfect nor is it above criticism. I've studied English, and yeah, I have problems with how literature is dissected and taught. Could you tell us why you find it to be misinformed?
 
How is jelly's comments insulting? The field of literature, especially at a postgrad level, is not perfect nor is it above criticism. I've studied English, and yeah, I have problems with how literature is dissected and taught. Could you tell us why you find it to be misinformed?
Thanks for your interest but this is not the topic of this thread as @jellyv and I already agreed earlier. However, if you want to discuss postmodern and contemporary literary criticism, read my dissertation or buy me a drink and I ll walk you through my research. :P
 
Thanks for your interest but this is not the topic of this thread as @jellyv and I already agreed earlier. However, if you want to discuss postmodern and contemporary literary criticism, read my dissertation or buy me a drink and I ll walk you through my research. :P
Okay, if you want to keep this thread on topic, fine. But people (like myself) share Jelly's sentiments, and they aren't 'insulting.'

Again, I think nearly everyone is too easily offended these days.
 
except in many cases their not. All the privileged academics are.
I don’t know why you are so dedicated to insulting me over and over again in this thread. By the way, I am both an academic and a member of an underrepresented population so I know the struggle of growing up “oppressed” first hand.

PS: The useless teacher in me will tell you that you meant to write “they’re not.” DARN ACADEMICS!!! :biggrin:
 
I think nearly everyone is too easily offended these days.

I wholeheartedly disagree. I think people who have been oppressed, sometimes for generations, are finally empowered to speak up.

I think these two beliefs are actually compatible, though I might rephrase “nearly everyone” as “many people”.

It’s a very welcome and long overdue change that people in groups that have been oppressed finally feel empowered to speak up; I also think it has become an unwelcome feature of our social experience that many people - who may or may not be in such groups (and most of us fall in into some category of people that have experienced prejudice or stereotyping, whether serious or more trivial) - are now too ready to take offence, particularly where harm is not intended. That’s what I meant when I said I believed that the empathy needs to go both ways. The ‘threshold’ concept someone earlier brought up is one part of that understanding. It’s a relationship issue, so everyone has a right to a voice and deserves respect and consideration, but nobody necessarily has a right not to be offended, within the limits of the law (which may change), where free speech is the higher principle.
 
I’m not offended, but it probably should have not passed the marketing department.

As for mocking spiritual beliefs, I think Madonna and the Victoria’s Secret Angels line jumped that shark decades ago.

I do see how someone deeply religious/spiritual could be offended. I can also see how someone who is looking for offense could be offended.

It was not the OP who said it, but someone did mention that they don’t think opinions of the majority culture should count. Fair enough. But then your opinions of their feelings would not count either.

I’m not sure this kind of thing is as much cultural appropriation as it is cultural assimilation. Just as people of non Caucasian cultures have adapted certain parts of its culture for their own purposes, so too has the dominant culture adapted other cultural items for its use. We are becoming multicultural. That means give and take on all sides.

I would remind folks that white people have a culture as well. Several, actually. Folks seem to stereotype this culture as plain vanilla background, or a nothingness/baseline. Using pieces of that culture is therefore not appropriation. It indeed is. The question is, is it wrong? Absolutely not. Just like anything else, done in good faith and respect, it is not wrong or offensive. It is multiculturalism.
 
I am still laughing at "privileged academics" from earlier. Clearly, some people have no idea what it means to be an educator in the United States! I hope all my teacher friends are enjoying a nice cup of coffee this morning, lounging in their million-dollar mansions, thinking about that sweet Lamborghini in their garage.
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Just as people of non Caucasian cultures have adapted certain parts of its culture for their own purposes
Just playing Devil's advocate here, but one would argue that, historically, Europeanization was forced onto other populations (evangelism, slavery, colonialism, etc.) and that it's impossible to examine today's society without taking into consideration the ramifications of this process.

Right now, in the United States, there is a vivid debate about Reparations. It's a fascinating ethical and political discussion.

Finally, I would add that I agree with you and others about the positive aspects of multiculturalism (@jellyv might tell us that it is already an obsolete concept, and I may have to agree with her here :lol:).
 
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Someone wise once said, "I´m responsible only for the words I utter, not for how you choose to interpret them". I.e., our personal interpretation of someone´s words reveals more about us and how we choose to interpret them about than the actual content of the message. We read an intention where often there is none behind it - because we all have filters, biases, taboos and caveats, our own, and, as adult, mature thinking people, I believe that how each of us chooses to react to any given message is very much our choice. In other words, I can be triggered or offended by someone´s words, but also choose not to be bloody-minded by presupposing that person went out of his/her way to offend me on purpose. Most of the time there is no offense meant - and therefore, none given :smile:

Be it out of personal or inherited trauma, or other subjective reasons, there are a lot of false assumptions nowadays that often lead to unfair projections ("I feel hurt by something I see/hear, so therefore of course you acted in bad faith and your intent was to deliberately cause me offense"). It´s a little bit like some people who go, "If you actually cared for me, you´d just simply KNOW what I wanted from you without me having to tell you explicitly, so this shows you´re a mean selfish insensitive person". It´s simply impossible for anybody to know everything, foresee everything, and take into account everybody´s feelings, as desirable as that kind of omniscience might be.

By way of analogy, and to fit the above into a purse discussion: I would definitely pass on a python purse, a lizard wallet and a pony-fur backpack, and their sight does sadden me - but I would not think anybody who makes them, sells them, buys them, or uses them is a bad, ignorant or uncaring person who means to be rude or offensive (yes, I´m leaving out another can of worms re: exotics breeding for fashion.... for another day).
This is beautifully articulated.
 
To me there is the issue of offending spiritual beliefs and the issue of cultural appropriation. As I see it, these are two different concepts.
But in any event, I recall similar concerns expressed in respect of the "Asian & Hermes" thread and Asian members coming in its defense. Here too concerns are expressed by those other than the potentially offended populations, members of which claim not to be offended.
I do sympathize with the concerns. There is a culture which has oppressed others for a long time, and it is only right to be aware and to be careful.
That said, it does make me cringe sometimes, because I feel by getting more offended that those we defend, by daring to determine what should or not be offensive to others, by overanalysing things or even by showing perhaps excessive concern over those we see as weaker, we may in fact display, or be perceived by others to display, the paternalism and sense of superiority that underline the conducts that we condemn.
 
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