Is there a bag Hierarchy???

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I find myself agreeing with many of these, but the one I am just not understanding is Chloe. I see Chloe on sale quite a bit (one site was even selling the Edith for around $500 recently!) and while they make very nice bags, I admit I am a bit suprised to see people ranking it above Louis Vuitton, Balenciaga, and Fendi (as well as others.)

I guess Chloe is just so HOT at the moment!! There were so many people lining outside of Chloe boutique when Selfridges went on sale on the 26th Dec, more than any other brands!! I personally don't think Chloe is that amazing but again I don't think Hermes is amazing for its pricing. Sometimes they just charge more to price out most people, so less people will carry them around. I think Chloe is definitely for young and trendy crowds that want to break away from all the traditional superbrands. :p
 
But I think most people were looking at OTHER characteristtics than what it HOT right now. Whether a bag is hot or not has nothing to do with the quality of the bag.

I thought we are talking about handbag hierarchy rather than bag quality. If we are ranking bag's quality than the majority of LV, Gucci, Dior, Fendi bags should not be that high on the hierarchy list. Being HOT definitely affects peoples' opinion on the ranking.
 
I thought we are talking about handbag hierarchy rather than bag quality. If we are ranking bag's quality than the majority of LV, Gucci, Dior, Fendi bags should not be that high on the hierarchy list. Being HOT definitely affects peoples' opinion on the ranking.
Yes, we are talking about hierarchy, but I think several people based their hierarchy on issues such as price, QUALITY, craftmanship, exclusivity, that sort of thing. Not really what's HOT. One poster said it best when she put chloe in the category of those she feels have less established unpredictable quality, but still have a certain amount of popularity.
 
Yes, we are talking about hierarchy, but I think several people based their hierarchy on issues such as price, QUALITY, craftmanship, exclusivity, that sort of thing. Not really what's HOT. One poster said it best when she put chloe in the category of those she feels have less established unpredictable quality, but still have a certain amount of popularity.

I think Chloe bags are well made with good material and very chic colour range. I would put Chloe in the same category as LV, Fendi, Balenciaga if based on the category of QUALITY.
 
I find myself agreeing with many of these, but the one I am just not understanding is Chloe. I see Chloe on sale quite a bit (one site was even selling the Edith for around $500 recently!) and while they make very nice bags, I admit I am a bit suprised to see people ranking it above Louis Vuitton, Balenciaga, and Fendi (as well as others.)


OK, here's my take on the situation (for what it's worth!)...

The fact that there are lots of Chloe bags on sale, is not due to the brand being unpopular (quite the reverse, in fact), it's because; a) certain designs have reached saturation point, b) the newer designs aren't rated as highly and c) due to the previous seasons' enormous demand, the stores have over-ordered.

When Phoebe left, Chloe decided to play it safe, by continuing to produce a lot of variations on Phoebe's, very popular, designs, rather than introducing too many new ones for A/W '06 - '07. This, as well as the less attractive new designs, led to a slight fall in popularity, as the fashionistas began to move on (and/or use their older chloe bags, instead!).

When a brand is/has been very popular, stores tend to over-order. The buyers have to place orders months in advance and so it's always a bit of a gamble.

Having said it's a gamble, even if a brand, or design, is becoming less popular with wealthy fashionistas, there will still, inevitably, be a large number of people who loved the original designs and the quality, but who couldn't afford to buy them at full price (or not as many of them as they'd have liked, anyway!) and these people will still pounce on the discounted bags. :D

This makes bags by a popular designer/design house, even one on the way down, far less of a gamble for retailers, than those by a designer/design house that looks very promising, but that has not yet become very popular.

An example of over-stocking - most US stores' websites I visited back in A/W '03 - '04 (Phoebe's best season, IMO) had no Chloe bags, whatsoever and even by S/S '04 they had, at the most, one (NM had a green, metal Mesh Hobo, if I remember correctly!); so they, presumably, realised that they had missed out on the beginning of the boom in popularity and from then on, ordered an ever increasing number of bags every season, until in A/W '06 - '07, they had a very large number indeed!

Bags by less popular designers are generally stocked in far lower numbers and so, even if they don't sell at full price, there are, obviously, less of them to put on sale at the end of the season.

So, just because there are more bags on sale, it doesn't necessarily mean that the designer has been unpopular, up to that point, anyway; often, quite the reverse. :D

You may well be right about Chloe's future popularity, though. We'll just have to wait and see how things progress with the newly appointed CD...
 
I think it also partly depends on the bag. I'm an LV fan but I really don't like to purchase anything from them that is less than $1,000 or so (unless it's something like a wallet or pochette that I would only use inside another bag.) My reasoning is that the lower price point bags tend to be the bags that *everyone* has -- the mono canvas speedy, damier speedy, etc. That lessens the exclusivity factor for me, which is a large part of the reason I buy their bags to begin with.

I live in NYC, where pretty much everything is available... so exclusivity isn't so much about what you can physically get your hands on; it's more about what you can afford.

Ash
 
Yes. For me the hierachy is quality, workmanship.

1. Hermes - way above the rest to me ( I don't own one but have carefully "inspected" all my friends' and their quality is untouchable - I do want to own one but afraid all my other bags will be downgraded . . . and you pay a price for that quality . . . (Can you carry an Hermes while shopping/looking at designer bags in the "lower categories" or would that be a disgrace to the brand? Most I know who own a Hermes never carry any other bag - tad boring ??? And then, do you have to have the house(s), the jewelry, the car, the travel, to legitimize carrying the bag?)

2. BV Limited editions

3. LV Limited editions

4. Chanel
 
I think Hermes it's for sure at 1st place, then Chanel. I'm not that much in too Bottega Veneta so I can't really put it a place better than in another one. I think LV is down if compared to the other brands- but for sure better than Dior, Gucci, etc.
 
In my opinion, exclusivity depends mainly on distribution.

Bags that can buy from department stores and sales racks are not as exclusive as those that are difficult to get your hands on.

It also depends on the number of other licenced products the brand has and how easily available they are.

Because Gucci sunnies, watches and perfumes are so readily available, this downgrades the exclusivity of their brand, even though their (handbag) products are available only through boutiques and consession stores. Same with Armani, and perhaps to a lesser degree depending on how available the products are.

Hermes and Cartier are more selective. LV is the most selective, but the products are cheaper, so it balances.

It is funny comparing it to watches. There are a few Longines and Raymond Weil watches I like, but could never buy them because they are too common and easily available. Same with Dior and Gucci. I don't want the same watch as everyone else. Bags are the same ...

If all the people I knew had Hermes I would probably be looking for something different ...
 
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Can you carry an Hermes while shopping/looking at designer bags in the "lower categories" or would that be a disgrace to the brand? "

I have hermes but I when I wear it I forget I am wearing is so I still lust after cheaper bags. We all like cheap thrills! Like being married to a Princess and lusting for a $2 hooker ... haha

then I look at my own bag and think, what am I thinking, I have the best bag in the world and I'm checking out other bags ... disgraceful
 
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