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[Narnanz]

Well.... I have been still searching and asking and nobody knows.... this is not a mystery bag, just a mystery style number, LOL

Thanks.

Found this randomly on Pinterest...is it what you were looking for?

 

[whateve]

Found this randomly on Pinterest...is it what you were looking for?
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I believe she already has that picture. It doesn't show the style she has. We have assumed that the style numbers of all twill items will have the same pattern, having an 8 in the first digit, but without catalog proof, it is just a guess.

 

[WishingonaCoach]

Yes, thank you both Narnanz and whateve.

I had the picture already, and I have owned/own 3 other styles of the collection, but the Brief Bag can not find the style number anywhere.

 

[katev]

@Hyacinth, Recently I have been researching the Patricia's Legacy 9951 bag and I came across your post at the link below from 2012 when you kindly posted some catalog listings for the PL in response to my request as a new Rehabber. I've just noticed that the description of the black/nickel PL says that it has an "outside back pocket". This surprised me because I'm used to seeing PL bags with an inside under-flap back pocket but no outside back pocket; did they ever change the construction of the Patricia's Legacy bag to include an outside back pocket? Thanks!

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It looks fine to me. :smile1: Thank you very much! I have never seen a Patricia's Legacy Bag IRL, can you tell me how it compares to the Rambler? BTW, this is the second bag that I've recently found that appeared to be missing the hangtag and ball chain - but later I found them in the...

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[Hyacinth]

@Hyacinth, Recently I have been researching the Patricia's Legacy 9951 bag and I came across your post at the link below from 2012 when you kindly posted some catalog listings for the PL in response to my request as a new Rehabber. I've just noticed that the description of the black/nickel PL says that it has an "outside back pocket". This surprised me because I'm used to seeing PL bags with an inside under-flap back pocket but no outside back pocket; did they ever change the construction of the Patricia's Legacy bag to include an outside back pocket? Thanks!

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It looks fine to me. :smile1: Thank you very much! I have never seen a Patricia's Legacy Bag IRL, can you tell me how it compares to the Rambler? BTW, this is the second bag that I've recently found that appeared to be missing the hangtag and ball chain - but later I found them in the...

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The first catalog description is obviously wrong. I've never seen a Pat's with an open back pocket, at least not any of the vintage ones or anything more recent than the last of the 2005 China-made originals. And certainly not with multiple outside back pockets like the description implies. That hidden inside pocket pretty much would make ANY outside back pocket unusable, it would just be too bulky and lumpy.

Don't believe everything you read in the catalogs.

 

[katev]

The first catalog description is obviously wrong. I've never seen a Pat's with an open back pocket, at least not any of the vintage ones or anything more recent than the last of the 2005 China-made originals. And certainly not with multiple outside back pockets like the description implies. That hidden inside pocket pretty much would make ANY outside back pocket unusable, it would just be too bulky and lumpy.

Don't believe everything you read in the catalogs.

Thanks, the hidden inside back pocket has always been a key feature of the Patricia's Legacy, I couldn't figure out how that outside back pocket would work!

 

[katev]

I've received the Italian Wheat Gramercy Clutch 7000 and it looks even better in real life than in the auction pictures. I didn't have to do any rehab at all, just a little routine maintenance. I wiped the bag down and polished a little tarnish off the hardware. For a light-colored bag that is 22 years old it truly looks NWOT.

I also called Coach Customer Service and got some interesting information about this previously unrecognized bag but I will tell you about that in the next message.

Below are some photos of my mystery Gramercy Clutch 7000. The wheat color is very lovely, it looks tan or beige in some lights and pale yellow in other lighting.

I was surprised at the large size of this clutch. The 7007 Gramercy Clutch that was released in 1999-2000 was significantly smaller. The 7007 style clutch measured 8.5 x 5 x 2, but this 7000 clutch is 11.5 x 6.5 x 1.5 and I am very pleased by the larger size!

The first picture shows the 7000 clutch next to my Gramercy Top Handle Satchel 7002 so you can get a feel for the size.

So here are pictures of the previously unknown Coach Gramercy Clutch 7000 in Wheat color. It was made in Italy in 1998.

Isn't she pretty?! I will post my theory about the history of this bag in the next message!

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So far I have been unable to find other examples of the 7000 style Gramercy Clutch (see above) but I called Coach Customer Service and I was told that they have the bag in their computer records and that the retail price is listed as $268 and that the original release date is the non-existent date of February 31, 2005! But according to the serial number the bag was made in Italy in 1998.

I've come up with a theory that may explain some of the odd things about this bag. Of course there's no way of knowing for sure but it fits with the things that we do know.

My theory is that when the Gramercy line was first being developed in Italy in late 1998, this was the first style bag that was created and they had even started to produce them, giving them the style number 7000.

I don't know how many were made but there was a sudden change of plans and the bags were pulled out of production. The 7007 Gramercy Clutch was released a year later and it has several design differences; see the coach sale description posted below for the 7007 style.

They clearly wanted to make a smaller clutch that could easily be held "in the palm of your hand". That explains why the later version is smaller, has a shorter strap, and it has a creased bottom without metal feet. Easier to carry as a clutch I guess. Personally I like the larger bag with the flat bottom with metal feet. It holds more and the feet protect the bottom of the bag and the corners when you set it down; especially with such a light-colored bad.

I also don't know why they decided to remove the leather slip pocket with the creed patch stamp from the 7007 version but that's another feature in the 7000 bag that I like a lot. But both bags were made in the wheat color have the textured Gramercy finish. They both have a light, suede-cloth interior, and they have interior zipper pockets and outside slip pockets; and they both have the distinctive brass hangtag and rectangular turnlock of the Gramercy line.

Here's where things get murky but here is the scenario that I'm suggesting. The heyday of the Italian Coach plant was in the late 1990s and in early 2000s and they were starting to make fewer bags in Italy by 2005. Since they were starting to reduce operations in Italy, it is quite possible that someone gathered up a mixed shipment of the Coach bags they had in storage (including the abandoned 7000 Gramercy clutch) and shipped all miscellaneous bags to Coach USA.

This shipment of Italian Coach bags were all stamped with the Bullseye mark to be sent to the outlets as FP delete bags, but the 7000 style was problematic. The bag had never been released and had to be entered into the Coach computer. The computer fields included a retail price - even though this bag had never been sold at retail, so the price of $268 was entered. The 7007 clutch originally sold for $248 so $268 seems like a reasonable price in 2005.

The Coach computer also wanted a release date but this bag didn't have one, so they entered the made-up date of 2/31/05 just to complete the record.

I don't know how many of them went to the outlets in 2005 - probably not many because I haven't found any other examples so far, but my bag may have been purchased by a woman that never carried the bag as far as I can tell. If she did carry it then it was probably only on a special occasion and put away in her closet. Or maybe it was a gift and the woman that received it didn't care for it - but it clearly has been stored well but ignored for 22 years.

For some reason this closet was recently purged and the bag ended up posted online for sale by a vendor that @BeenBurned has seen selling both genuine and fake Coach bags in the past; so I was lucky to get this rare, genuine bag for only $50!

That's my theory but I would love to hear other ideas!

Coach 7007 Gramercy Clutch made in 1999-2000:
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Last year I purchased a wheat-colored Gramercy Clutch 7000 that was made in Italy in 1998. This was the first time that any of the TPF Coach Authenticators had seen this specific bag. It's my (unproven) theory that Coach Italy started to produce this bag as the first of the Gramercy line and then decided to halt production and change the design. If I am correct then the bag was replaced with the 7007 clutch, which is similar but smaller and also has some other design differences, see the posts above.

I've just come across another example of the 7000 Gramercy Clutch currently listed for sale on ebay, see photo and link below. It is listed as "Dark Brown" but the pictures look black to my eyes, and I believe that the early Gramercy bags were originally released in wheat and black.

I was just wondering if anyone else has encountered examples of the Gramercy Clutch 7000, or if you have any more information about this mysterious, Italian-made, vintage Coach bag, and do you know if the Gramercy bags were ever released in brown? TIA!

Edited to add: I asked the ebay vendor for the bag below to confirm whether it was black or brown? He/she replied "It did look black to me when I first saw it, too! and It is hard to pick up the color with the camera, but up close it looks more like a pretty dark brown to me, or dark brown with black overtones? I am not sure - I took some pictures with a green background to help enhance it - please see photos listed."

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[Hyacinth]

Last year I purchased a wheat-colored Gramercy Clutch 7000 that was made in Italy in 1998. This was the first time that any of the TPF Coach Authenticators had seen this specific bag. It's my (unproven) theory that Coach Italy started to produce this bag as the first of the Gramercy line and then decided to halt production and change the design. If I am correct then the bag was replaced with the 7007 clutch, which is similar but smaller and also has some other design differences, see the posts above.

I've just come across another example of the 7000 Gramercy Clutch currently listed for sale on ebay, see photo and link below. It is listed as "Dark Brown" but the pictures look black to my eyes, and I believe that the early Gramercy bags were originally released in wheat and black.

I was just wondering if anyone else has encountered examples of the Gramercy Clutch 7000, or if you have any more information about this mysterious, Italian-made, vintage Coach bag, and do you know if the Gramercy bags were ever released in brown? TIA!

Edited to add: I asked the ebay vendor for the bag below to confirm whether it was black or brown? He/she replied "It did look black to me when I first saw it, too! and It is hard to pick up the color with the camera, but up close it looks more like a pretty dark brown to me, or dark brown with black overtones? I am not sure - I took some pictures with a green background to help enhance it - please see photos listed."

COACH GRAMERCY? NO. 7000 ITALY VINTAGE TEXTURED DARK BROWN SHOULDER BAG LEATHER | eBay

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The only other one in my files is the same Wheat one that was discussed last year, sorry. And except for a few pictures at the end that have a slightly lighter than black brownish tinge maybe due to the lighting or even the wall color, the bag looks black to me.

 

[katev]

The only other one in my files is the same Wheat one that was discussed last year, sorry. And except for a few pictures at the end that have a slightly lighter than black brownish tinge maybe due to the lighting or even the wall color, the bag looks black to me.

Thanks @Hyacinth, do you know if any of the early vintage Italian Gramercy bags were released in brown? I can't think of any and the 7007 clutch (which may have replaced this 7000 bag) was originally released in wheat and black - based on what I could find on the Wayback.

 

[Hyacinth]

Thanks @Hyacinth, do you know if any of the early vintage Italian Gramercy bags were released in brown? I can't think of any and the 7007 clutch (which may have replaced this 7000 bag) was originally released in wheat and black - based on what I could find on the Wayback.

I've never seen a brown Gramercy or seen any shade of brown, especially that dark a brown shade, listed in a catalog. The only listed colors were Wheat, Black, Powder Blue, Currant and Mahogany.

ETA - Wasn't someone in the other thread asking about pics of the unknown Gramercy I mentioned that didn't have a serial number? I found the ones I saved.The lining is different from the production versions but if it was a sample or a pilot bag that wouldn't be surprising. But the hardware all looks genuine.No counterfeiter in their right mind would spend the money needed to duplicate that leather AND the hardware that was unique to the Gramercys. Even the stuffing paper is right for the time period:

 

[whateve]

I've never seen a brown Gramercy or seen any shade of brown, especially that dark a brown shade, listed in a catalog. The only listed colors were Wheat, Black, Powder Blue, Currant and Mahogany.

ETA - Wasn't someone in the other thread asking about pics of the unknown Gramercy I mentioned that didn't have a serial number? I found the ones I saved.The lining is different from the production versions but if it was a sample or a pilot bag that wouldn't be surprising. But the hardware all looks genuine:

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I also have a Gramercy that is missing a serial number on the creed. I believe it is authentic. It has the correct lining and the creed is stamped on the smooth leather pocket. It's a small satchel 7003. It does seem odd that the creed of this one was stamped on textured leather.

 

[Dragonflyzoe]

Good Afternoon,

Please can you advise me what colour my Sonoma Large Flap Nubuc bag is?

It is a bit faded outside, but inside retains a deeper hue (sand?).

Many thanks, as always.

Zoe xx

 

[Hyacinth]

I also have a Gramercy that is missing a serial number on the creed. I believe it is authentic. It has the correct lining and the creed is stamped on the smooth leather pocket. It's a small satchel 7003. It does seem odd that the creed of this one was stamped on textured leather.

If it was a sample and if it was made in Italy they probably would have just used what was available, so it's the same leather as the bag. When the Powers at Coach saw how poorly the creed stamping showed up against the textured leather they may have just decided to go with the smooth leather, and to upgrade the lining as well. The "textured" creed is almost unreadable.





Since we've never seen another one it probably never made it to production. I wonder if they thought the dowel would make people think of the Willis? They wanted something unique and with details similar to the French and Italian luxury brands so maybe reminding buyers of the Willis line would cheapen the bag in their eyes? And the dowel combined with the attached strap and the stiff leather might have made the bag awkward to use. Just a guess, but I'm trying to think like a corporation.

 

[katev]

I've never seen a brown Gramercy or seen any shade of brown, especially that dark a brown shade, listed in a catalog. The only listed colors were Wheat, Black, Powder Blue, Currant and Mahogany.

ETA - Wasn't someone in the other thread asking about pics of the unknown Gramercy I mentioned that didn't have a serial number? I found the ones I saved.The lining is different from the production versions but if it was a sample or a pilot bag that wouldn't be surprising. But the hardware all looks genuine.No counterfeiter in their right mind would spend the money needed to duplicate that leather AND the hardware that was unique to the Gramercys. Even the stuffing paper is right for the time period:

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I also have a Gramercy that is missing a serial number on the creed. I believe it is authentic. It has the correct lining and the creed is stamped on the smooth leather pocket. It's a small satchel 7003. It does seem odd that the creed of this one was stamped on textured leather.

Very interesting, so clearly they were "playing around" with the Gramercy style before they settled on the final versions and some of those early Italian bags got out into circulation!

I have a purplish Gramercy Top Handle that I call "plum" so is that the currant color? I also have a bright red Madison Sutton from Italy and I thought that one was currant?! (Corrected to add: it's a Bristol not a Sutton).

 

[Hyacinth]

Very interesting, so clearly they were "playing around" with the Gramercy style before they settled on the final version and some of those early Italian bags got out into circulation!

I have a purplish Gramercy Top Handle that I call "plum" so is that the currant color? I also have a bright red Madison Sutton from Italy and I thought that one was currant?!

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Currant wasn't a Madison color. Your Gramercy is Currant (or maybe Mahogany, I've never seen that color on a Gramercy), the Sutton is probably Garnet or maybe Cherry depending on EXACTLY when it was made.

ETA - The Sutton might be Scarlet if it was made in 1997