ID This Coach item! -- Post any Coach item name questions here! --

[katev]

Currant wasn't a Madison color. Your Gramercy is Currant (or maybe Mahogany, I've never seen that color on a Gramercy), the Sutton is probably Garnet or maybe Cherry depending on EXACTLY when it was made.

ETA - The Sutton might be Scarlet if it was made in 1997

Coach colors! The Powder Blue Gramercy always looks mint green to me in the pictures - but very pretty!

I suppose the top handle gramercy could be mahagony but it really does look purple to me not brown. Below is an interior picture that I think shows the color fairly well.

The red bag is a Madison Bristol Dome 4412 (sorry!) and it was made in 1996; so do you think that most likely the color was called Garnet, Cherry, or Scarlet (or just plain old red?) Thanks so much!

 

[whateve]

I've never seen a brown Gramercy or seen any shade of brown, especially that dark a brown shade, listed in a catalog. The only listed colors were Wheat, Black, Powder Blue, Currant and Mahogany.

ETA - Wasn't someone in the other thread asking about pics of the unknown Gramercy I mentioned that didn't have a serial number? I found the ones I saved.The lining is different from the production versions but if it was a sample or a pilot bag that wouldn't be surprising. But the hardware all looks genuine.No counterfeiter in their right mind would spend the money needed to duplicate that leather AND the hardware that was unique to the Gramercys. Even the stuffing paper is right for the time period:

View attachment 5079424View attachment 5079425View attachment 5079426View attachment 5079427View attachment 5079428View attachment 5079430

I've seen and owned a red Gramercy wallet.

 

[Hyacinth]

Coach colors! The Powder Blue Gramercy always looks mint green to me - but very pretty!

I suppose the top handle gramercy could be mahagony but it really does look purple to me not brown. Below is an interior picture that I think shows the color fairly well.

The red bag is a Madison Bristol Dome 4412 (sorry!) and it was made in 1996; so do you think that most likely the color was called Garnet, Cherry, or Scarlet (or just plain old red?) Thanks so much!



View attachment 5079703

View attachment 5079689

That's Scarlet on the Bristol. It's brighter in your pic than in the Fall 1996 catalog.



The Gramercy is probably Currant. There weren't any Red Gramercy bags AFAIK, only wallets.

 

[katev]

That's Scarlet on the Bristol. It's brighter in your pic than in the Fall 1996 catalog.

View attachment 5079788

The Gramercy is probably Currant. There weren't any Red Gramercy bags AFAIK, only wallets.

thank you!

 

[Dragonflyzoe]

Good Afternoon,

Please can you advise me what colour my Sonoma Large Flap Nubuc bag is?

It is a bit faded outside, but inside retains a deeper hue (sand?).

Many thanks, as always.

Zoe xx

Hi,

Just wondering if there was any insight into the Sonoma Flap Nubuc colour? Apologies if you’re busy...I’m happy to wait my turn x

 

[Busykitty]

Hi,

Just wondering if there was any insight into the Sonoma Flap Nubuc colour? Apologies if you’re busy...I’m happy to wait my turn x

My guess is Saddle

 

[Lake Effect]

Hi,

Just wondering if there was any insight into the Sonoma Flap Nubuc colour? Apologies if you’re busy...I’m happy to wait my turn x

My guess is Saddle

I can also confirm Saddle per Holiday 1994 and Holiday Preview 1995. Holiday 1994 also has a deep brown called Bramble. Not completely out of the realm of possibility. --editied to add, forget Bramble, unless your lighting is really washing it out, which it is probably not.
I'll refrain from any comments about rust. I know, it's not even close.
Let me know if your need pics.

 

[Dragonflyzoe]

I can also confirm Saddle per Holiday 1994 and Holiday Preview 1995. Holiday 1994 also has a deep brown called Bramble. Not completely out of the realm of possibility. --editied to add, forget Bramble, unless your lighting is really washing it out, which it is probably not.
I'll refrain from any comments about rust. I know, it's not even close.
Let me know if your need pics.

Oooh Saddle...thank you. The closest to original colour is the inner flap and creed. I’d very much appreciate pics from the catalogue please.

Thanks again @Busykitty @Lake Effect

Zoe xx

 

[Suzanne B.]

Okay, this is a bit different. I found a mystery Coach price tag while going thru some receipts and paperwork (the $ part is gone).....but I have no idea what it was for other than it was for more than likely a keychain / fob. I googled it with no results. Do any of you OG's have this number in your reference material, it's not a real old tag. I don't want to trash it until I make sure I still don't have the keychain. Thank you in advance!

64015 SVE1L

 

[katev]

Okay, this is a bit different. I found a mystery Coach price tag while going thru some receipts and paperwork (the $ part is gone).....but I have no idea what it was for other than it was for more than likely a keychain / fob. I googled it with no results. Do any of you OG's have this number in your reference material, it's not a real old tag. I don't want to trash it until I make sure I still don't have the keychain. Thank you in advance!

64015 SVE1L

According to this Amazon link that number is for the:

COACH X Baseman Emmanuel Hare Ray Key Fob Bag Charm in Silver Limited Edition 64015

COACH X Baseman Emmanuel Hare Ray Key Fob Bag Charm in Silver Limited Edition 64015 : Amazon.ca: Office Products

COACH X Baseman Emmanuel Hare Ray Key Fob Bag Charm in Silver Limited Edition 64015 : Amazon.ca: Office Products

www.amazon.ca

Do/did you have that charm?

 

[katev]

I have another question about the vintage Italian coach bags. In the past the surface of the Gramercy bags was often described simply as "textured" but lately I've started seeing listings for vintage Gramercy bags that are called "saffiano". See the clutch listed on ebay at the link below as an example.

Vintage COACH Saffiano Gramercy Clutch/Handbag K90-7007, Wheat, Italy | eBay

<p>Vintage Saffiano Gramercy Yellow Bag Italy</p><p>This could be a clutch or shoulder bag. It is from the Gramercy line which is one of the few line of bags that was produced in Italy for Coach. It is in beautiful vintage condition. The hardware has some wear and tarnish as expected from a...

www.ebay.com

Coach has released some recent textured bags that they've described as saffiano but I don't know if they have the same type of texturing that was used for the vintage Gramercy bags? Frankly, I've never been very attracted to the recent Coach saffiano bags because they seem a little plastic (JMO) but I do like the texture of the vintage Gramercy bags, although I generally prefer the caviar leather of the Madison Italian bags.

I found a description of the term "saffiano leather" at the link below. It says that the process was originally started in Italy and that the finest leathers were used, but today the term saffiano may be used for "cheap split leather with a surface coating simply printed with the cross hatch design."

What Is Saffiano Leather and How Do I Protect It? - The Handbag Spa

What Is Saffiano Leather and How Do I Protect it? Find Out What You Are Buying and What The Most Effective Protector Is For This Type of Leather.

thehandbagspa.com

Does anyone know whether the vintage, Italian Gramercy bags should be considered as genuine saffiano leather bags and are they similar (or different) from the recent coach saffiano bags?

Thanks in advance!

 

[whateve]

I have another question about the vintage Italian coach bags. In the past the surface of the Gramercy bags was often described simply as "textured" but lately I've started seeing listings for vintage Gramercy bags that are called "saffiano". See the clutch listed on ebay at the link below as an example.

Vintage COACH Saffiano Gramercy Clutch/Handbag K90-7007, Wheat, Italy | eBay

<p>Vintage Saffiano Gramercy Yellow Bag Italy</p><p>This could be a clutch or shoulder bag. It is from the Gramercy line which is one of the few line of bags that was produced in Italy for Coach. It is in beautiful vintage condition. The hardware has some wear and tarnish as expected from a...

www.ebay.com

Coach has released some recent textured bags that they've described as saffiano but I don't know if they have the same type of texturing that was used for the vintage Gramercy bags? Frankly, I've never been very attracted to the recent Coach saffiano bags because they seem a little plastic (JMO) but I do like the texture of the vintage Gramercy bags, although I generally prefer the caviar leather of the Madison Italian bags.

I found a description of the term "saffiano leather" at the link below. It says that the process was originally started in Italy and that the finest leathers were used, but today the term saffiano may be used for "cheap split leather with a surface coating simply printed with the cross hatch design."

What Is Saffiano Leather and How Do I Protect It? - The Handbag Spa

What Is Saffiano Leather and How Do I Protect it? Find Out What You Are Buying and What The Most Effective Protector Is For This Type of Leather.

thehandbagspa.com

Does anyone know whether the vintage, Italian Gramercy bags should be considered as genuine saffiano leather bags and are they similar (or different) from the recent coach saffiano bags?

Thanks in advance!

I remember reading that Prada invented saffiano leather. I'm not sure when it became legal for other brands to use the term as I thought they had a patent. I think Gramercy bags look and feel very much like saffiano leather, and I imagine the process was similar at the time.

ETA: I guess the patent must have expired. Before that, they may have used a similar process but there were probably certain steps that were protected by patent.

 

[katev]

I have another question about the vintage Italian coach bags. In the past the surface of the Gramercy bags was often described simply as "textured" but lately I've started seeing listings for vintage Gramercy bags that are called "saffiano". See the clutch listed on ebay at the link below as an example.

Vintage COACH Saffiano Gramercy Clutch/Handbag K90-7007, Wheat, Italy | eBay

<p>Vintage Saffiano Gramercy Yellow Bag Italy</p><p>This could be a clutch or shoulder bag. It is from the Gramercy line which is one of the few line of bags that was produced in Italy for Coach. It is in beautiful vintage condition. The hardware has some wear and tarnish as expected from a...

www.ebay.com

Coach has released some recent textured bags that they've described as saffiano but I don't know if they have the same type of texturing that was used for the vintage Gramercy bags? Frankly, I've never been very attracted to the recent Coach saffiano bags because they seem a little plastic (JMO) but I do like the texture of the vintage Gramercy bags, although I generally prefer the caviar leather of the Madison Italian bags.

I found a description of the term "saffiano leather" at the link below. It says that the process was originally started in Italy and that the finest leathers were used, but today the term saffiano may be used for "cheap split leather with a surface coating simply printed with the cross hatch design."

What Is Saffiano Leather and How Do I Protect It? - The Handbag Spa

What Is Saffiano Leather and How Do I Protect it? Find Out What You Are Buying and What The Most Effective Protector Is For This Type of Leather.

thehandbagspa.com

Does anyone know whether the vintage, Italian Gramercy bags should be considered as genuine saffiano leather bags and are they similar (or different) from the recent coach saffiano bags?

Thanks in advance!

I remember reading that Prada invented saffiano leather. I'm not sure when it became legal for other brands to use the term as I thought they had a patent. I think Gramercy bags look and feel very much like saffiano leather, and I imagine the process was similar at the time.

ETA: I guess the patent must have expired. Before that, they may have used a similar process but there were probably certain steps that were protected by patent.

That makes sense, perhaps back when Coach was making the Italian Gramercy bags they were trying to imitate Prada but they couldn't use the word "saffiano" so they just said "textured", but now "saffiano" has become a fancy-sounding word for any leather texturing.

This reminds me of those old-time Chrysler ads (link below) with Ricardo Montalban talking about the car seats made of "fine Corinthian leather" and everyone was asking "what the heck is Corinthian leather?!"

 

[Lake Effect]

Oooh Saddle...thank you. The closest to original colour is the inner flap and creed. I’d very much appreciate pics from the catalogue please.

Thanks again @Busykitty @Lake Effect

Zoe xx

I haven't forgotten; have some other pics to take too. Maybe by tomorrow.

 

[Lake Effect]

Good Afternoon,

Please can you advise me what colour my Sonoma Large Flap Nubuc bag is?

It is a bit faded outside, but inside retains a deeper hue (sand?).

Many thanks, as always.

Zoe xx

My guess is Saddle

I can also confirm Saddle per Holiday 1994 and Holiday Preview 1995. Holiday 1994 also has a deep brown called Bramble. Not completely out of the realm of possibility. --editied to add, forget Bramble, unless your lighting is really washing it out, which it is probably not.
I'll refrain from any comments about rust. I know, it's not even close.
Let me know if your need pics.

Update! According to pics attributed to Spring Preview '95 from the flash drive, I believe your bag is, *drumroll* ,

Terracotta!
After looking at my paper catalogs from Holiday '94 and Holiday Preview '95, (which are ballpark for your month/year) Saddle is only offered for the Natural Grain bags. In the palette, the Sonomas are all grouped together, but if you look at the individual styles, Saddle is only listed for the Natural Grains, not the Nubucs.
So I turned to the flash drive of catalogs I picked up a few years ago and these scans are attributed to the above catalog, so consider the second hand source. I love the name Saddle, so if it couldn't be that, Terracotta is also cool. Other opinions are welcome.
Yes, I am that much of a vintage geek