Kate Moss looks like she has had fat graft on face… there is a lot of fat tissue on her face for her age on second picture..
How to go from 50+ to looking 20+ with plastic surgery rejuvenation.
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I just realised who your plastic surgeon Is..I live in Uk , and had been following the facebook groups about plastic surgery.. I didn’t consider him a really good surgeon but your results are great! Can I drop you a private message?
Hi @summer46, sure can! lol.
I just messaged his wife, the true clinic boss, and again pushed an nth time for postop steroid prescribing and stated that all the ladies who want what he did on me, ie smas plication would be happy to pay his DP prices to get smas instead. I also messaged her pics of failed DP face and neck lifts by other surgeons. The problem with clinics is they rarely see ladies in the longterm so do not know about longevity of deep planes. Whereas I seem to get messages from ladies with failed facelifts by Bray, Orfaniotis, Macquillan etc. Then when I saw the photos of facial retaining ligament damage by Dr Asif Hussein and his taylor liberator subcision for acne scars it all added up to cutting these ligaments spell disaster for the face after deswelling. So avoid invasive deep plane like the plague!
You look so amazing! It seems that fat grafts make more of a difference than facelifts, if that makes sense?
Hi @6098Sophia, yes fat grafts are fine for the overall hollowing that occurs when oestrogen drops with menopause and the fat disappears in the whole face. My mistake was to try 6 threads with fat graft in January 2020. I did not need more fat at this point, as I had had 4 facial fat grafts. In fact 3 of the clinics I visited in Korea all said I needed a facelift! But I didn’t want to spend 9 million won which was the cheapest I could barter down to at one of the 3 clinics so instead went for the much cheaper option of threads with fat graft. This is when my face swelled twice as much as not only did I react to the threads but also paid 500,000 won the next day to get the 6 threads removed while my fat graft was fresh. This loosened up the skin of my face a lot and made the necessity of a facelift once I deswelled that much more urgent by 2021. So my advice is get 1–2 full face fat grafts to replace lost fat volume and then move on to a smas facelift.
Hi @6098Sophia, smas plication is one of the types of smas muscle facelifts. The best would be smasectomy where not only is the skin trimmed but also the smas muscle. Only Andrea Marando does smasectomy in the UK in Manchester for around £16760. It is the most difficult of the smas facelifts to do. They do smasectomy in Korea as well as deep planes. The second best is smas plication which is an entry level for smas facelifts, as it is lifting the smas, folding it over and then stitching it back together so it is twice as thick in the cheeks but also lifted and then trim the skin. I had this. This would be great for anyone who wants bigger cheeks too along with their face lifted. It becomes more obvious when smiling as the cheeks then pop out more but I already have big cheeks from my zygoma bone so I try not to smile in photos. lol.
Please watch this youtube video of an unfortunate young lady who had damage to her facial retaining ligaments after aggressive Taylor liberator subcision by Dr Asif Hussein in London. You can see her lower face has fallen after the procedure and required a corrective facelift at age 31. This is why it is vital to preserve your facial retaining ligaments and why I am vehemently opposed to deep plane facelifts sold as the only one you’ll ever need, lasting 10-15 years, the definitive facelift, etc. It doesn’t and I have seen DPs fall even at 6 weeks. Please private message me for photos of numerous failed DP facelifts.
I have been noticing ladies in their 40s wanting facelifts when they actually would benefit from facial fat grafting instead or radiesse nasolabial fillers.
Here is the best b&a picture I can find on the www to demonstrate when you need a facelift. If you see your face melt, elongate, become square, develop nasolabial folds, marionette lines, jowls, then and only then do you need a facelift. I have seen ladies look even worse after their DP facelifts deswell than their befores! Why would you risk looking worse off if you don’t look this bad in the first place? A facelift peels off the skin from your face! All the minute skin adhesions are cut. And if it is deep plane, think of the most invasive destructive way to dig deep into your face to cut all the deep ligaments and shift everything around. Talk about total destruction then reconstruction of your face and if it goes wrong then you may be left with the most difficult scenario for any revision facelift surgeon to fix with scar tissue and fibrosis throughout your face from superficial to deep layers. You risk never looking normal again!
There is a strong element of body dysmorphia on this forum and I am not hear to argue with anyone so please if I say you don’t need x, y or z, trust me! I am as objective as it gets as I earn no money on this site or from any advice given and definitely no commission from any surgeon. Blogging is my retirement hobby and I only write now because in my opinion, there is a huge injustice being committed against women worldwide with deep plane facelifts and no postop steroids. And when I see a lady pay £15,000 or £25,000 for DP and end up the same or worse than her before, I get mad! It is tragic when a lady spends her parent’s inheritance on a once in a lifetime DP facelift missold as it would make her look stunning, then it sags at 7 months and she looks even worse than before and then she has to fight for a partial refund or revision but ends up with no energy after facing a return of breast cancer, chemo and now wears a wig with a fallen saggy face. Facelifts can be magical when done right! Smasectomy + steroids is the gold standard. Smas plication + steroids comes second. Facial fat graft is a must for skinny ladies with menoface to add volume back as a facelift will not be able to achieve this. Facial fat graft, upper bleph with fat graft, lip lift and then finally a smas facelift with steroids.
Please do not jump into a cycle of deep plane facelifts unless you want to become the next Mickey Rourke or Sharon Osbourne.
Here is the best b&a picture I can find on the www to demonstrate when you need a facelift. If you see your face melt, elongate, become square, develop nasolabial folds, marionette lines, jowls, then and only then do you need a facelift. I have seen ladies look even worse after their DP facelifts deswell than their befores! Why would you risk looking worse off if you don’t look this bad in the first place? A facelift peels off the skin from your face! All the minute skin adhesions are cut. And if it is deep plane, think of the most invasive destructive way to dig deep into your face to cut all the deep ligaments and shift everything around. Talk about total destruction then reconstruction of your face and if it goes wrong then you may be left with the most difficult scenario for any revision facelift surgeon to fix with scar tissue and fibrosis throughout your face from superficial to deep layers. You risk never looking normal again!
There is a strong element of body dysmorphia on this forum and I am not hear to argue with anyone so please if I say you don’t need x, y or z, trust me! I am as objective as it gets as I earn no money on this site or from any advice given and definitely no commission from any surgeon. Blogging is my retirement hobby and I only write now because in my opinion, there is a huge injustice being committed against women worldwide with deep plane facelifts and no postop steroids. And when I see a lady pay £15,000 or £25,000 for DP and end up the same or worse than her before, I get mad! It is tragic when a lady spends her parent’s inheritance on a once in a lifetime DP facelift missold as it would make her look stunning, then it sags at 7 months and she looks even worse than before and then she has to fight for a partial refund or revision but ends up with no energy after facing a return of breast cancer, chemo and now wears a wig with a fallen saggy face. Facelifts can be magical when done right! Smasectomy + steroids is the gold standard. Smas plication + steroids comes second. Facial fat graft is a must for skinny ladies with menoface to add volume back as a facelift will not be able to achieve this. Facial fat graft, upper bleph with fat graft, lip lift and then finally a smas facelift with steroids.
Please do not jump into a cycle of deep plane facelifts unless you want to become the next Mickey Rourke or Sharon Osbourne.
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Thanks so much Miss Orange, I admit I have become hyper focused on my perceived flaws. I'm only 40 so I am leaning towards fat grafting instead of a lift. I know you have posted the name of your fat grafting doctor here before. Dr Seo?
Hi @6098Sophia yes Dr Hyoseok Seo at Machimpyo or Dr Lee at Honnete clinic are good at facial fat graft. I would add Dr Lee gives prednisolone after his facial fat graft and for Dr Seo you would need to source yourself.
Today's post answers the ultimate question on longevity of a smas facelift over a deep plane facelift! Here 2 ladies post of knowing elderly ladies who had smas facelifts 35 and 40 years ago and still holding!!!
I have also learned that Marando in Manchester described necks as the most problematic area and how neck lifts nearly always fail over time! And how it won't fix crepey skin but only vertical platysma bands. His opinion is not to touch the submandibular glands as he doesn't think it is the right thing to do in any circumstance (I agree with not cutting or trimming this salivary gland needed to keep your mouth from getting dry!). He like Bhatty anchors the neck lift to the mastoid bone. He also shared that improvement in neck quality is only temporary. A Bray patient confirms the temporary improvement in her neck quality as she has been offered revision neck lifts by other surgeons now.
So this revelation regarding neck lifts and my surgeon's reticence in doing neck lifts in some ladies has made me think twice about getting a neck lift any time soon. Maybe for me I should either gain weight or try fat graft in the future for my neck.
The horizontal neck lines I have learned are nicknamed tech neck lines or necklace lines. By bending over to look at our smartphones (or for me studying and looking down) we are creating tech neck wrinkle lines! And should practice lifting our head up. If forehead wrinkles develop due to loss of fat volume and disappear with fat graft (I have stopped using botox since getting fat graft) then surely fat graft to the neck should resolve necklace lines?
I hope Dr Seo is still operating when I am in my 60s so I can get neck fat graft or would a neck lift last longer if I took prednisolone postop to prevent swelling and skin stretch? As I can only pinch one cm of loose skin on each side, I have time before I can pinch an inch on each side and need surgical intervention.
PS an update on those of you who have messaged me for ladies photos post DP sagging at 6 weeks to 7 months onwards and many ladies ending up with deeper nasolabial folds post DP as the zygomatic retaining ligament has been cut. They concur with me that DP may well be the ultimate con!
I have also learned that Marando in Manchester described necks as the most problematic area and how neck lifts nearly always fail over time! And how it won't fix crepey skin but only vertical platysma bands. His opinion is not to touch the submandibular glands as he doesn't think it is the right thing to do in any circumstance (I agree with not cutting or trimming this salivary gland needed to keep your mouth from getting dry!). He like Bhatty anchors the neck lift to the mastoid bone. He also shared that improvement in neck quality is only temporary. A Bray patient confirms the temporary improvement in her neck quality as she has been offered revision neck lifts by other surgeons now.
So this revelation regarding neck lifts and my surgeon's reticence in doing neck lifts in some ladies has made me think twice about getting a neck lift any time soon. Maybe for me I should either gain weight or try fat graft in the future for my neck.
The horizontal neck lines I have learned are nicknamed tech neck lines or necklace lines. By bending over to look at our smartphones (or for me studying and looking down) we are creating tech neck wrinkle lines! And should practice lifting our head up. If forehead wrinkles develop due to loss of fat volume and disappear with fat graft (I have stopped using botox since getting fat graft) then surely fat graft to the neck should resolve necklace lines?
I hope Dr Seo is still operating when I am in my 60s so I can get neck fat graft or would a neck lift last longer if I took prednisolone postop to prevent swelling and skin stretch? As I can only pinch one cm of loose skin on each side, I have time before I can pinch an inch on each side and need surgical intervention.
PS an update on those of you who have messaged me for ladies photos post DP sagging at 6 weeks to 7 months onwards and many ladies ending up with deeper nasolabial folds post DP as the zygomatic retaining ligament has been cut. They concur with me that DP may well be the ultimate con!
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When people say their facial skin is now very sensitive and turns red with water or with any product on the face, the first thing I ask is what have you had done to your face? The answers range from red light therapy which is low level laser to aggressive CO2 laser to microneedling to ultherapy to profhilo injections to daily acid peels to stromal vascular fraction injections. Can I please interject and say do NOTHING to your skin other than drink plenty of water, use spf, avoid the sun, change your makeup products every year, wash your makeup sponges and brushes and moisturise daily. That’s it! Why are you damaging your skin with these commercial procedures? They never existed decades ago. You can simply rub a cut potato into your sun spots which works as a natural acid.
I have seen horrific cases of permanent red facial skin, painful red faces, indurated thick skin, skin with lots of holes in it, horrific acne scarring, etc. Please don’t dive into the rabbit hole of skin procedures…skin just needs hydration and protection from the sun’s UV rays. That’s it!
I have seen horrific cases of permanent red facial skin, painful red faces, indurated thick skin, skin with lots of holes in it, horrific acne scarring, etc. Please don’t dive into the rabbit hole of skin procedures…skin just needs hydration and protection from the sun’s UV rays. That’s it!
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