How to go from 50+ to looking 20+ with plastic surgery rejuvenation.

[dannythedragon]

Nice touch to do it at the same location. Very similiar but do you think you look slightly better in the later picture? Nicer glasses though lol and I agree about hair colour. Surprised you got served alcohol without being asked ID

 

[MissOrange]

Nice touch to do it at the same location. Very similiar but do you think you look slightly better in the later picture? Nicer glasses though lol and I agree about hair colour. Surprised you got served alcohol without being asked ID

Hi @dannythedragon, yes I agree I think I look better in the later photos. So much aging can happen in 5 years. Good to see everything is under control. Hoping I can chill until I hit the big 6-0.

 

[naimal]

A pic collage of me at 52 vs 57 at the same resort! The difference is hair bleach, another full face fat graft and a vertical vector smas facelift to hopefully keep me going another 5 years. If you get full face fat graft or a facelift without steroids, your skin may stretch and sag from the enormous swelling. I finally learned the solution was not to go back to Korea for a 6th fat graft but instead get a facelift to trim 7 cms of stretched and loose skin. Looking pretty has its perks! The hotel restaurant manager gave us free champagne with our dinner! I'm worried I will gain +++ weight during this all you can eat half board stay!

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Beautifull as always
Can u please share ur scars from facelift that how they look now?

 

[Tremere]

@MissOrange when performing a neck lift (scar under the chin), do you know if there is any difference between SMAS lift or deep plane? I remember reading somewhere than actually the SMAS didn't extend into the neck, but no idea if it was correct.

In my country, it seems much easier to find surgeons that do deep plane lifts than SMAS ones. I want to do a neck lift because I have significant laxity after double jaw and V-line surgery. But there doesn't seem to be a lot of resources available for neck lifts, most information is about face lifts.

 

[SearchingVline]

Hi, @miss! Do you know where can we see some dr Ion cases of jaw remodeling? In Europe, there are 2 other clinics, mainly on facial feminization surgery, and their approach is different from korean, and I cannot figure it out if it makes much difference, seems too conservative, but also, korean clinics have lot of marketing (photoshop, photo angles, fake reviews) going on.

 

[miyumi]

Do you ever recommend facelift for someone in their 30s with slightly sagging skin from a prior v-line surgery?

 

[MissOrange]

@MissOrange when performing a neck lift (scar under the chin), do you know if there is any difference between SMAS lift or deep plane? I remember reading somewhere than actually the SMAS didn't extend into the neck, but no idea if it was correct.

In my country, it seems much easier to find surgeons that do deep plane lifts than SMAS ones. I want to do a neck lift because I have significant laxity after double jaw and V-line surgery. But there doesn't seem to be a lot of resources available for neck lifts, most information is about face lifts.

Hi @Tremere, I don’t know the answer as I never researched neck lifts. I am sure some time in my 60s, I may need to though.

 

[MissOrange]

Hi, @miss! Do you know where can we see some dr Ion cases of jaw remodeling? In Europe, there are 2 other clinics, mainly on facial feminization surgery, and their approach is different from korean, and I cannot figure it out if it makes much difference, seems too conservative, but also, korean clinics have lot of marketing (photoshop, photo angles, fake reviews) going on.

Hi @SearchingVline, here is Dr Lucian Ion’s IG link. He only remodels chins though. https://www.instagram.com/lucian__ion/?ref=badge

 

[MissOrange]

Do you ever recommend facelift for someone in their 30s with slightly sagging skin from a prior v-line surgery?

Hi @miyumi, a smas facelift in the right hands would sort out the sagging after v line surgery. In Korea they often offer women in their 30s a facelift but rarely in the UK as they do not perform v line surgery. V line surgery reduces the bone much like facial bone loss with ageing after the menopause so yes there can be skin sagging and the need for a facelift at whatever age one does v line surgery.

 

[MissOrange]

Beautifull as always
Can u please share ur scars from facelift that how they look now?

Hi @naimal, here are my scars today at 16 months. The left side is the top pic. I feel a slightly raised scar on the left and on the right the scar is invisible and flat. It takes 2 years for scars to be completely healed.

 

[MissOrange]

Here are my 16 month post smas facelift selfies sitting in the car in natural daylight. Totally rocking age 57! In future I will NEVER get a facelift or facial fat graft without a week of postop steroids as the face may sag at 4-6 months after a facelift or 2-4 months after facial fat grafting as a response to the profound postop surgical swelling and skin stretch. Too many ladies learn the hard way. I learned the hard way too. Steroids have to be taken during the first week after surgery to prevent swelling and skin stretching which start from day 2–3. These pictures show how amazing a £3500 smas facelift looks at 16 months when you take a week of postop steroids. I would never spend £15-£20k on a facelift. I would absolutely research Professor Ozerdem in Turkey if you have a tight budget of £7-8k as he offers a full face and neck lift with hospital and hotel accommodation included in this low price and seems to get good results like my surgeon Nick Rhodes who now charges £10,495 for a full face and neck lift. I only had a facelift, not neck lift.

 

[lisa.t]

Here are my 16 month post smas facelift selfies sitting in the car in natural daylight. Totally rocking age 57! In future I will NEVER get a facelift or facial fat graft without a week of postop steroids as the face may sag at 4-6 months after a facelift or 2-4 months after facial fat grafting as a response to the profound postop surgical swelling and skin stretch. Too many ladies learn the hard way. I learned the hard way too. Steroids have to be taken during the first week after surgery to prevent swelling and skin stretching which start from day 2–3. These pictures show how amazing a £3500 smas facelift looks at 16 months when you take a week of postop steroids. I would never spend £15-£20k on a facelift. I would absolutely research Professor Ozerdem in Turkey if you have a tight budget of £7-8k as he offers a full face and neck lift with hospital and hotel accommodation included in this low price and seems to get good results like my surgeon Nick Rhodes who now charges £10,495 for a full face and neck lift. I only had a facelift, not neck lift.

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@MissOrange - you look amazing, so young and beautiful. You are ahead of the times with your knowledge. I asked my doctor to prescribe me post-op steroids but he wouldn't. He said it's not true that my face will sag a few months after the fat grafting swelling subsides. I don't know how I would be able to get the post op steroids elsewhere. How were you able to get the postop steroids in your case?

 

[lisa.t]

Today’s post is on coping when plastic surgery results are bad. When you embark on plastic surgery, tell yourself there is a 50:50 chance it will go extremely well and a 50:50 chance you will look worse or botched. With odds like these, you should ONLY do plastic surgery if you hate your sagging face or drooping nose and are willing to take the 50% risk that you may need to get a revision with the same surgeon or someone new as plastic surgery can be unpredictable. Don’t get a facelift if you have minor sagging. With botched or poor results, you will then find yourself going into hiding, staying at home, not meeting friends or relatives and dreading looking in the mirror. Take down all mirrors during this period of self loathing. Instead of blaming yourself, use this time to research. Ideally you want a free revision with your surgeon, unless you are extremely botched and cannot trust the surgeon. You should be looking at getting revision surgery at 6 months to a year.

Once you find a new surgeon (based on chatting with and seeing results of at least 3 ladies at one year postop), then you can book a consult, pay a deposit and get a final surgery date. This will give you hope. Do NOT fall for fancy websites. Do NOT use agencies as they get their cuts. You pay a lot less by chatting directly with the clinic or hospital (use kakao for Korean clinics). I like to send a photo of my passport and plane tickets so they know I am serious and will show up for my consults and surgery. If you are paying $20k or more, then you are paying too much. Remember there is a 50% chance of you needing a revision and you may have to pay for this so $20k suddenly becomes $40k…Chinese medical tourists in Korea and European and US foreigners are targets for being overcharged. Remember you can tell the clinics your bottom line, your budget and miraculously they will drop the price to fit your budget but tell you that you must not disclose the reduced amount. The problem is big hospitals have plenty of doctors so they can give your facelift to a relatively junior plastic surgeon. One way to protect yourself is to say you are posting a review with pictures on realself, this purseforum, instagram etc. If they know you will show your results, they should ensure you get decent results.

Remember no matter how bad your face is, it can be fixed as it is only skin, muscle, fat and tissues so the downtime is 6-12 months. If you ask to be added to a consult cancellation list, you get a consult faster. The same can be said for the surgery itself. I always say I am available for last minute cancellations for consults or the operation. And for Korea choose low season when students are back in school. Prices will be lower and there will be plenty of open surgery slots but try to book the first morning slot and a weekday as surgeons are tired on weekends and evenings.

@MissOrange - why do you think there's a "50:50 chance you will look worse or botched." This is like tossing a coin heads or tails. Is it because plastic surgeons have yet to figure out how to give consistently good results? Is it due to lack of knowledge, lack of experience, or lack of good surgical skills? Or, all of the above?

 

[MissOrange]

@MissOrange - you look amazing, so young and beautiful. You are ahead of the times with your knowledge. I asked my doctor to prescribe me post-op steroids but he wouldn't. He said it's not true that my face will sag a few months after the fat grafting swelling subsides. I don't know how I would be able to get the post op steroids elsewhere. How were you able to get the postop steroids in your case?

Hi @lisa.t, I got my steroids from my NHS GP for an allergic rash reaction to the astra zeneca vaccine. One can also get from a private GP or from a plastic surgeon who does prescribe steroids with a smas facelift, like Dr Marando in Manchester. It is a shame when patients have to source their own rx of steroids because the surgeon will not prescribe.

 

[MissOrange]

@MissOrange - why do you think there's a "50:50 chance you will look worse or botched." This is like tossing a coin heads or tails. Is it because plastic surgeons have yet to figure out how to give consistently good results? Is it due to lack of knowledge, lack of experience, or lack of good surgical skills? Or, all of the above?

Hi @lisa.t, it is 50:50 because implants in the UK had CE European approval which is not as robust as FDA so when they ruptured or leaked or were recalled 1-2 years later for cancer risk etc., the patient suffers and has to pay for an exchange. Then when the FDA approved silicone implants were found to cause anaplastic small cell cancer, this also led to many patients again having to pay for removal.

My facelift sagged but the surgeon was good. We both did not know of the importance of steroids until I and a handful of his other ladies had free revisions and all sourced our own week of steroids as he again did not prescribe.

Who can predict that vermillion lip lift in Korea would sag in 6 months and not reduce the philtrum longterm as it was a skin only lift. Yet again another revision needed but luckily I found Mills who did a full thickness bullhorn lift of muscle and skin.

Who knew that facial fat graft would stretch the skin so much with swelling that I would keep flying back to Korea to top up when the face deflated. None of the surgeons gave me steroids or compression bandages for the face. Yes, lack of knowledge on aftercare perhaps.

Who would have known that my nose would react to prolene permanent sutures in my nose and the cartilage would collapse yet the surgeon is a top notch rhino surgeon in the UK. Luckily he revised for free and with absorbable pds sutures so my nose did not react or reject with pus this time.

But occasionally I am lucky and only needed one surgery, ie breast fat transfer with lower body liposculpture with David Floyd or just arm liposuction in Belgium with Dr Oelbrandt.

Surgery therefore becomes unpredictable and that is why I say only do plastic surgery if you absolutely hate and cannot live with the deformity as there is always a chance you will need to go back to theatre or find another surgeon to fix an outcome that is no better or may be worse.