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also write to James Stuzin in Miami, see if he can suggest a colleague in South Korea for the high SMAS with greatest longevity. Dr. Marten does a very aggressive one that will last at least seven years but he is based in San Francisco.
 
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seoulsister said:
@MissOrange
You have helped many ladies on here so I am glad to help.

A normal smas Fl requires GA and a certain amount of time to heal so when Tunbridge says it only requires local and a shorter recovery, it seems that it is less invasive than a normal FL but maybe less effective. I'm only guessing but I won't take a chance on him.

A surgeon can overrule a manager so if he thought it was appropriate to have another FG then I wouldn't sweat it. I think it has made you more youthful. You might have hit upon the best solution for your face ie FG if TL brings on eczema and FL is not effective if you can't find a surgeon who is confident their FL will last longer than a year.

When you had an x-ray recently, where exactly were the dermal fillers? There was a thread on here a couple of months ago where an American Dr showed on an x-ray that dermal fillers don't actually melt. They migrate. South. Yikes

Would it be too cheeky to ask the Belgian if you can meet any of his FL patients who have had it longer than a year that was successful? Say you are willing to meet his prospective patients inquiring about arm lipo in return to meet his Fl patients lol
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Thanks again @seoulsister! Dr Oh commented on filler still being present in my right nasolabial fold in Feb 2018. I can still feel it there now..small peasized lump. I never thought to see if it is still there on last month's x rays.

Great idea to ask for a FL pt of Dr O's to chat with! Will make a reminder note for Sunday.

I suspect smas FLs that only last 6 months may be due to the internal pdo suture holding up the smas dissolving by 6 months. https://www.acufirm.de/index.php?seite=282
 
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keiratony said:
I had 83 cc of fat in 2010, it lasted about 2 years. i topped up with filler.

This year when I asked for more fat, 3/4 surgeons turned me down. They said it was exactly what I needed but I was too thin for the harvest and it would not last. The people who get the best results from fat graft will already have a lot of fat in their faces with a rich blood supply. Also they said it would be a complete waste of effort in the temples and jaw since there are not as many blood vessels there. The fourth doctor is wiling to do it but he wants to use sedation whereas I prefer local (way cheaper).

I've also been turned down for high SMAS by nearly every doctor who says there is nothing to lift, that it would be a waste of time, money, and trauma, and that I would want another in 5 years. The only area where I have laxity is sides of mouth, but they say that will be the first place that the laxity returns. Also a problem with doing it early is that you inevitably want a second lift and the second is more difficult to pull off as it becomes hard for the surgeon to find appropriate landmarks on the face. The result is almost always obviously unnatural.

Only one doctor I saw live was willing to do high SMAS now due to my platysma starting to separate at the upper part of the neck, but when I pressed him he suggested only filler for now.

The best high SMAS guy in the world is Timothy Marten but he is not cheap. Perhaps you should get his advice. I did, and he was willing to do the lift, but he is used to working on women as young as early 30s. Most other surgeons seem repulsed by working on a patient who is not overtly saggy.
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@keiratony sounds like we are in the same boat, relying on fat graft for facial volume and lift and not yet finding someone for a FL that will last. A FL lasting 7 years sounds good but when you say Dr Marten is not cheap, I shudder to think of US ps prices. What do you think of Kao's ponytail lift? He posts a lot on instagram.

So it looks like the maximum longevity of a smas FL is 7 years under GA but that is the exception. Hm. I am back to wearing my head compression bandage at night. It helps I think.
 
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I have been researching threadlifts and see why PDO threads may not last for more than 6 months. If they are used to pull up the smas layer in a FL under local, then it may explain why a Fl fails at 6 months too. They should not be sold to last 1 year.

PLLA is the chemical in silhouette threads and sold to last 18 months. I wonder how long poly lactic acid threads actually last.

It seems the risk of side effects and complications of threads outweighs a temporary fix for 6 months at £1400-£2k. https://www.miloclinic.com/why-i-do-not-perform-treatments-using-thread-lifts
 

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I found a 1 y 2 months postop FL on instagram! Dr Dirk Kremer does FLs under GA. I need to ring for pricing. I rang up Dr Paul Tulley's office as he too has good b+a FL photos on RS and he charges £9k for FL. As the prices are out of my budget, I am sticking to gaining weight (now up to 98.2 lbs) and wearing my head compression bandage to bed. My goal is to have a V line face without paying for a smas FL! Goals!
 

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Wow Miss Orange, seems Dr Kirk Marten is very good. Did you manage to find out how much he charge for FL?


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I found a 1 y 2 months postop FL on instagram! Dr Dirk Kremer does FLs under GA. I need to ring for pricing. I rang up Dr Paul Tulley's office as he too has good b+a FL photos on RS and he charges £9k for FL. As the prices are out of my budget, I am sticking to gaining weight (now up to 98.2 lbs) and wearing my head compression bandage to bed. My goal is to have a V line face without paying for a smas FL! Goals!
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https://www.realself.com/review/face-lift-face-neck-lift-not-for-the-faint-hearted

This lady talks about Tunbridge vs Dirk Bogarde (lol) so it is quite interesting. He seems more expensive £10K +
It's a long read so not sure if she has anything with the FL?

PS FL and neck
OMG Hi it was £13,400
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Yes this lady was also featured in the DM tabloid for her amazing FL but the RS review only goes up to 3.5 months back in Nov 2019. Would love to see how it is at 1 year. Her RS price she paid says over £10k! I realised £9-10k is way over my budget for a FL that may last between 1 and 5 years.

I cancelled my Dr O appointment for Sunday as I am using natural weight gain to lift my lower face and it is making a difference and emailed my Feb 11 selfie as proof to Dr O. See the attached photo of my saggy lower face Feb 6 (forgot to hydrate that day and had only 250 mls of water) vs Feb 11 after gaining 1.8 lbs and fully hydrated. I forgot back in Aug 2018 that when my lower face got saggy, I gained weight back up to 100 lbs and my face lifted and Dr Amir saw both photos and asked if I had lost weight and how I did not need a FL now. I said no I had gained weight. I will take full face selfies tomorrow for Valentine's day, ie one month post FG + slight tissue trauma from next day thread removal. Trying to gain weight back up to 99 lbs, my wedding day weight to get rid of the small right jowl. I am at 97.8 lbs from 95/96 so getting there. @dannythedragon told me back in 2018 I looked better at 100 lbs than 96. He too gained 5 lbs and his fg looks much nicer. My fear is that there is a fine line between 99 lbs still looking good vs 100.1 lbs looking like a balloon face from fg. As I have said in the past fat graft is truly high maintenance as one needs to monitor weight and fluid intake daily.
 

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As promised here is my one month post 5th full face fg (2nd at mvp) at 99.2 lbs. Yes I ate twice as much! I do not need anymore fat graft. I cancelled my consult with Dr O for smas FL. He saw my photo from 3 days ago and suggested annual threadlift at 850 euros which makes him even cheaper than the UK at £1.4k or Korea at 2 million won! But my contact dermatitis does not allow for foreign bodies so I will just try to maintain my weight.

Surprisingly my application for k pop academy in London was approved! I guess I look young! lol.
 

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Looking great. For the sake of consistency could you also post from your usual angles front on and the sides?
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Hi @seoulsister

Here is a collage taken yesterday at 99.2 lbs which is 3-4 lbs more than what I weighed in Korea a month ago prior to full face fg. It is important to gain weight post facial fg to ensure the longevity of the fat grafted cells in my opinion.
 

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Thank you for that. You are beautiful never forget that.
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Thanks @seoulsister. I still have minor marionette lines but I am too scared of reacting to synthetic threads so will leave my face alone. I realised the quickest way to gain weight is to eat chocolate (loaded in calories)! Now I need to stop myself eating chocolates! My next task is to not stand out too much at the k pop academy next Saturday. I will need to dress like a high school kid with trainers, k pop black baseball cap, t shirt and jeans! The application form asked for school and year/form and the consent form asked for parents’ signature, lol. The application did ask for dob so I was truthful and put NA (not applicable) under school and year. Lol. The problem will be when classmates ask me how old I am? What the heck do I say?
 
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