Hi @kaixin05 I can see how fat covers the side protruding zygoma and how it would become obvious and bony if you lost weight. Side zygoma reduction would help but you would then also need a lifting procedure. If you are okay with not losing weight, then a full face looks younger. From my research it looks like all bone cutting procedures lead to sagging and the need for annual threadlifts or smas FL.
How to go from 50+ to looking 20+ with plastic surgery rejuvenation.
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thank you ms orange for your words of wisdom! this means a lot to me! I love reading your comments and kcouture’s!
Day 17 post second full face fg at MVP with Dr Hyoseok Seo. First full face fg with him was in Feb 2018. Yay! I have avoided threadlift and smas FL by gaining weight and topping up my fg. I am way too scared of a smas FL leaving me with a too tight or wind tunnel look or accentuating my wide cheekbones so this was the correct move. Now no more fg top ups I hope. I turn 60 in just over 6 years time and will face the next hurdle in trying to look 20s. lol. Excuse the 2 bruises still on my face, under the right eye and left nasolabial. I don't have a concealer other than my shiseido i20 foundation. I am not wearing my false eyelash strip or coloured contacts so you can concentrate on the round fg forehead and the lifted face with smooth jawline from fg alone.
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You look amazing
May I ask what kind of skincare products do you use ? What is your skin routine to get such a good skin ?
ms orange can you mix fillers with fg? I meant I had prior fillers under my eyes and QO fill plus on my forehead and temples. Consultant said if I put fg on top of it it would make lumps after some time. I want know your thoughts about it.
Also, have you ever considered doing QO fill rather than fg? I heard kcouture switched to that long time ago.
Hi @kaixin05 I am not familiar with QO fill. I had a bit of radiesse dermal filler left in my right nasolabial fold but that did not affect the fg he injected. You could ask if the filler needs dissolving before fg on the clinic kakao. Kcouture looks amazing too. I need to google QO fill plus to read more about it.
Hi @Pakune, I know koreans are really into their skin routine and have amazing skin care products in Korea but I stick to the basics. Skin needs hydration which means keep drinking still water throughout the day. My daughter's skin now glows as she carries water with her everywhere she goes. I also replaced her makeup brushes and makeup so this helped prevent acne returning. Acne is simply a bacterial infection of the skin. Doxycycline is a great antibiotic that clears severe acne.
I moisturise every morning with any face moisturiser after I cleanse with Clinique's 7 day scrub exfoliating cleanser. And for foundation use Shiseido i20 which is the best shade for Asian yellow pigmented skin in my opinion. And that is all. No primer, no concealer, no chemical peels, no face masks, no laser, and no dermabrasion.
I agree @Gats, the name of the clinic should be revealed to protect the public. I don't know why Korean news journalists are not allowed to reveal the name. I hope it does come out in naver comments or forums. How else will the clinic be held to account and improve their practices? Often the doctor may only be given a 300,000 won fine which is under $300 and certainly no deterrent to causing death by medical negligence.
Looks liks even Dr Ho Chiu-ming, president of the Hong Kong Society of Plastic, Reconstructive and Aesthetic Surgeons, said "falling into a coma during liposuction, which is regarded as a relatively low-risk medical procedure, usually involves complications related to anaesthesia." He eerily cites excessive anaesthetic drug dosage as a possible cause of the patient drifting into a coma and dying during liposuction! I thank my guardian angels for filling me with visions of anaesthetic death on the surgery table from iv propofol administered with no anaesthetist and respiratory arrest that made me grab my clothes from the locker, change back into my street clothes, leave my patient room and go back to reception to cancel my operation at 14:50, 10 minutes before I was to be taken into theatre.
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Dr Seo agreed to TL along with your the FG.
Was it because of lack of time both of you decided against FL?
I remember you posting that Ellen warned that there may be risk that FL may last only a year with thinner skinned patients.
Also a heads up, you mentioned a place in Tunbridge Wells for a potential FL. Same story as the Belgian. 100% great reviews but again on closer inspection, there are complaints in the comment section, can't tell who is trolling whom though lol
Dr Seo agreed to TL along with your the FG.
Was it because of lack of time both of you decided against FL?
I remember you posting that Ellen warned that there may be risk that FL may last only a year with thinner skinned patients.
Also a heads up, you mentioned a place in Tunbridge Wells for a potential FL. Same story as the Belgian. 100% great reviews but again on closer inspection, there are complaints in the comment section, can't tell who is trolling whom though lol
Hi @seoulsister,
It was all a bit chaotic on my part. I was starved since 9 am for breast FT at Fresh for 3 pm and when I cancelled at 2:50 pm, I took a turn to the left to go to mvp to ask them to do my breast FT as they have an anaesthetist. But when I got there I was then told Dr Seo does not do breast FT, that Dr Hyun does it but both have full theatre lists but I could still consult with Seo. So I thought why not then just ask for lower face fg top up. I waited to see Dr Seo in between surgeries. The interpreter said he suggested TL and full face fg with botox. I never thought of TL so had forgotten I react to suture material left in even after a few days and pdo is left in for 6 months until it dissolves. My flight home was in 3 days time. He was fully booked that Friday and Saturday but stayed late Friday to accommodate me. Staff did not go home until 11 pm while I was in recovery. I felt so bad for putting them in this predicament of everyone staying late on my behalf. Then to make the clinic stay open past its closing time on Saturday to add me on for removal of TL just shows you how this clinic bends over backwards to make patients happy. I kept apologising for wasting people's time as I had forgotten I cannot have threads due to my allergic contact dermatitis and immune reaction to foreign bodies. It was a costly mistake on my part to have forgotten as I had paid 2 million won for TL and 500,000 won for removal under local. I try to look at it from a positive point of view, ie now I know how I might look with a FL.
I had shortened my trip to korea to 5 days as a holiday rather than getting ps after I cancelled zygoma reduction at Regen and collected 90% of my deposit back in cash. Booking breast FT was on an impulse as was TL. But now I am back in the UK I still want breast FT. I sent my breast photos to my original implant en bloc removal surgeon in Birmingham and he also suggests I need fat grafting to correct the asymmetry and loss of volume more so on the right breast. Dr Hong at Fresh had called it an adhesion on the right causing the pull and loss of shape which he was about to fill with fg. I wish he had had an anaesthetist then I would have had it done by now. Sigh.
I have made an appointment to see Mr David Floyd in London for breast FT. Here they charge £250 for a consult and I have to wait to April to see him as he is fully booked even for consults. In Korea all consults are free. If he says I am too skinny for FT like Dario Rochira said then that leaves Bednar in North Carolina who specialises in skimming fat in skinny ladies for breast FT but $11k is £8.6k.
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I am sorry to hear about all the stress you were put through but in the end judging by your recent photos, the results have turned out well. Dr Seo is definitely one of the good guys and would do his best to help you. You have come out ahead in this situation so you are right to be positive.
Do you have any advice for ladies who suffer from eczema/contact dermatitis and how to keep it in remission? Because from my own experience western medicine's approach ie steroid creams etc is not healthy long term, do you use a more holistic approach?
I am sorry to hear about all the stress you were put through but in the end judging by your recent photos, the results have turned out well. Dr Seo is definitely one of the good guys and would do his best to help you. You have come out ahead in this situation so you are right to be positive.
Do you have any advice for ladies who suffer from eczema/contact dermatitis and how to keep it in remission? Because from my own experience western medicine's approach ie steroid creams etc is not healthy long term, do you use a more holistic approach?
Hi @seoulsister I am glad you ask. Big Pharma make huge profits from selling creams and barrier ointments for eczema to the NHS when it is a man made condition! It is simply an allergy to synthetic fibres as synthetic clothes are made in factories using harsh chemicals! Once you understand this, it means cutting off synthetic neck labels and inside garment labels as this chafes against the skin and causes nape of neck eczema or itching along the side of the body where the side synthetic fabric label is, even if the fabric of the item of clothing is itself cotton. Always ensure the first layer of clothing against your skin is natural, ie wool, cashmere, linen, cotton or silk. This applies to bedding too. Then if you want to wear polyester, acrylic, viscose, polyamide, etc. on top you can but make sure it does not make any skin contact. School uniforms are often made of synthetic material so children complain of itching in the elbow and knee flexural creases as this is where the material is pressed against the skin so flares up. The rash clears once exposure to the allergen ceases.
I saw many babies in prams, cots or wrapped in synthetic blankets or pressed up against mum’s synthetic clothing come out with eczema over their cheeks/faces. I feel sorry for babies who have eczema who are put in synthetic onesies, torture for them. People prone to eczema tend to be from countries where synthetic clothing is not as available as it is in the West, ie Asia and Africa. It is genetic so children are more likely to inherit this from their parents too. I call it having Princess in the Pea fairy tale skin, ie very sensitive to cheap, synthetic material.
As suture material is often made from synthetic material, this means our atopic eczematous skin heals much faster as it reacts to the sutures. My wounds tend to close and heal in 1-2 days and not a week so I am forever taking out my own sutures before my body starts reacting violently against them.
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Hi @seoulsister, I have reread your helpful posts and you are right! I had chatted with kitty before she had her FL with Amir as I was going for a consult around the time she was getting or got her FL and was shocked to read today that her concept smas FL under local did not last 6 months! https://www.realself.com/review/i-m-concept-facelift-20th-july-excited-nervous
He charges around £6-7k! I then did some more probing and it is not just his FLs, but others also report smas FL not lasting and in one case an American mentions only 2 months done in USA! Ellen, the manager at MVP was right when she warned me that a smas FL may only last 1 year and she did not recommend in me as I have thin skin. She had also refused me full face fat graft in 2016 and I foolishly got it done elsewhere at DA. The problem with full face fat graft is that it is less likely to last in the lower face due to the mouth moving so much. The more fat put in to stretch the skin, the more lax it may become if the fat reabsorbs and foolishly I have had 5 full face grafts. Even Ellen was surprised I asked for another full face fat graft. She was not at work the Friday I paid for full face FG and threads else she would have talked some sense into me. Sigh. She is such a wise gatekeeper who has seen it all. So ladies stick to dermal fillers for your lower face. I am not sure what happens to the skin with annual thread lifts. Sounds like there is no permanent solution.
I had booked a consult with Dr O for FL on Sunday and was all gung ho about getting a FL but now, I realise I need to do more extensive research to find anyone whose FL lasted more than a year?! Whoever you are @seoulsister you have saved my face and money!
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You have helped many ladies on here so I am glad to help.
A normal smas Fl requires GA and a certain amount of time to heal so when Tunbridge says it only requires local and a shorter recovery, it seems that it is less invasive than a normal FL but maybe less effective. I'm only guessing but I won't take a chance on him.
A surgeon can overrule a manager so if he thought it was appropriate to have another FG then I wouldn't sweat it. I think it has made you more youthful. You might have hit upon the best solution for your face ie FG if TL brings on eczema and FL is not effective if you can't find a surgeon who is confident their FL will last longer than a year.
When you had an x-ray recently, where exactly were the dermal fillers? There was a thread on here a couple of months ago where an American Dr showed on an x-ray that dermal fillers don't actually melt. They migrate. South. Yikes
Would it be too cheeky to ask the Belgian if you can meet any of his FL patients who have had it longer than a year that was successful? Say you are willing to meet his prospective patients inquiring about arm lipo in return to meet his Fl patients lol
You have helped many ladies on here so I am glad to help.
A normal smas Fl requires GA and a certain amount of time to heal so when Tunbridge says it only requires local and a shorter recovery, it seems that it is less invasive than a normal FL but maybe less effective. I'm only guessing but I won't take a chance on him.
A surgeon can overrule a manager so if he thought it was appropriate to have another FG then I wouldn't sweat it. I think it has made you more youthful. You might have hit upon the best solution for your face ie FG if TL brings on eczema and FL is not effective if you can't find a surgeon who is confident their FL will last longer than a year.
When you had an x-ray recently, where exactly were the dermal fillers? There was a thread on here a couple of months ago where an American Dr showed on an x-ray that dermal fillers don't actually melt. They migrate. South. Yikes
Would it be too cheeky to ask the Belgian if you can meet any of his FL patients who have had it longer than a year that was successful? Say you are willing to meet his prospective patients inquiring about arm lipo in return to meet his Fl patients lol
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I had 83 cc of fat in 2010, it lasted about 2 years. i topped up with filler.
This year when I asked for more fat, 3/4 surgeons turned me down. They said it was exactly what I needed but I was too thin for the harvest and it would not last. The people who get the best results from fat graft will already have a lot of fat in their faces with a rich blood supply. Also they said it would be a complete waste of effort in the temples and jaw since there are not as many blood vessels there. The fourth doctor is wiling to do it but he wants to use sedation whereas I prefer local (way cheaper).
I've also been turned down for high SMAS by nearly every doctor who says there is nothing to lift, that it would be a waste of time, money, and trauma, and that I would want another in 5 years. The only area where I have laxity is sides of mouth, but they say that will be the first place that the laxity returns. Also a problem with doing it early is that you inevitably want a second lift and the second is more difficult to pull off as it becomes hard for the surgeon to find appropriate landmarks on the face. The result is almost always obviously unnatural.
Only one doctor I saw live was willing to do high SMAS now due to my platysma starting to separate at the upper part of the neck, but when I pressed him he suggested only filler for now.
The best high SMAS guy in the world is Timothy Marten but he is not cheap. Perhaps you should get his advice. I did, and he was willing to do the lift, but he is used to working on women as young as early 30s. Most other surgeons seem repulsed by working on a patient who is not overtly saggy.
This year when I asked for more fat, 3/4 surgeons turned me down. They said it was exactly what I needed but I was too thin for the harvest and it would not last. The people who get the best results from fat graft will already have a lot of fat in their faces with a rich blood supply. Also they said it would be a complete waste of effort in the temples and jaw since there are not as many blood vessels there. The fourth doctor is wiling to do it but he wants to use sedation whereas I prefer local (way cheaper).
I've also been turned down for high SMAS by nearly every doctor who says there is nothing to lift, that it would be a waste of time, money, and trauma, and that I would want another in 5 years. The only area where I have laxity is sides of mouth, but they say that will be the first place that the laxity returns. Also a problem with doing it early is that you inevitably want a second lift and the second is more difficult to pull off as it becomes hard for the surgeon to find appropriate landmarks on the face. The result is almost always obviously unnatural.
Only one doctor I saw live was willing to do high SMAS now due to my platysma starting to separate at the upper part of the neck, but when I pressed him he suggested only filler for now.
The best high SMAS guy in the world is Timothy Marten but he is not cheap. Perhaps you should get his advice. I did, and he was willing to do the lift, but he is used to working on women as young as early 30s. Most other surgeons seem repulsed by working on a patient who is not overtly saggy.
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