How to go from 50+ to looking 20+ with plastic surgery rejuvenation.

[MissOrange]

Today's post is comparing eyelid only fat grafts with Dr Seo and vermillion lip lift with Dr Choi at mvp (top 2 photos early July 2016) to DAPRS full face fat graft including upper lids x 2 (July and Sept 2016) one month post back in Oct 2016 on tv (bottom right) with this week's MVP fat graft (Feb 2018) 16 months post on tv after bullhorn lip lift Jan 2017. As you can see the DA fat graft immediately reabsorbed within a month in my upper lids and lower face and left me looking even older with big disproportionate cheeks and more hollowing, and the mvp vermillion full lip lift with Choi at mvp disappeared in a few months and left me with a thinner upper lip. That said Dr Choi did remove my upper lip fillers which then improved my side profile. It had looked good in the top 2 photos due to upper lip swelling postop. MVP Dr Seo's full face fat graft is still going strong with no hollowing of the upper lids and Miss Mills bullhorn lip lift is still keeping my philtrum at a youthful length with an added bonus of a lifted cupid's bow and upper lip corners . In hindsight I should have stuck with eyelid fat graft at MVP with lid top ups as after DA's full face fat graft, I needed MVP to correct fmy entire face fat graft that DA left me with and now need to be underweight to minimise the excess DA fat still left in my cheeks. Choose wisely if you opt for full face fat graft as the worst scenario is picture bottom right, looking much older with fast, uneven reabsorption.

I still reel with shock when I realise the top 2 beautiful mvp photos were taken 3 months before the bottom right of my wrecked face by choosing the wrong clinic for full face fat graft. If I could turn back time I would never have gone to DA and never have tried full face fat graft. It is too high maintenance. I now have to watch my weight daily to avoid chipmunk cheeks and to drink +++ water to keep my fat graft inflated evenly. Back in early July 2016 with no full face fat graft I never watched my fluid intake or daily weight as it did not affect my face like it does now.

In my opinion, the best for face fat graft in Seoul are Dr Seo at mvp, Dr Hong at Fresh and Regen if you need corrective full face fat graft.

Now you see why I am hesitant of embarking on a breast fat transfer journey as daily maintenance for face fat graft is tough enough without coping with uneven fat graft reabsorption in the breasts. Let my story be a cautionary one of only embarking on full face fat graft after correcting being underweight or dehydrated and deciding you look very old so desperately need it. Ellen at mvp advised me against full face fat graft back in 2016 but I foolishly tried a cheap DA special.

 

[miyumi]

Today's post is both a 3 month update and advice on losing weight fast! I forgot I used to drink actimel probiotic and this week have had 4 days of these mini drinks and wow with zero effort I weigh 97.8 lbs after struggling to get below 99 again. Yesterday as I was shopping a friend said I looked younger every time she saw me! I think the short upturned nose in combination with the liplift and fg has made my face permanently young. Here I am trying to find a birthday treat for my 52nd birthday. I think I look younger without false eyelashes and with pink lipstick and pink clothes. The jeans are from Heidi Klum's esmara collection at lidls.

Wow you look amazing!

 

[MissOrange]

It has been 5 months now since my breast implant en bloc explant and my decision to never try implants again after 20 years and 4 sets of recalled implants that have either ruptured or leaked over time. I am approaching 6 months when I would be allowed to try breast fat transfer. I took photos of my body looking for potential areas to lipo for fat transfer but it does not look hopeful so I shall try a new look of bras with slight padding and tighter tops to try to create the illusion of a fuller chest. I realised when I did have dd implants I wore loose fitting clothes to hide my size but now I need all the help I can get.

I am grateful that walking exercise, housework, drinking water not wine and trying a vegan, non dairy diet is giving me a fit body for a 53-year-old who avoids the gym, weights, jogging and pilates. I remember what a 90+ year old lady said was the secret to her longevity, health and fitness...cleaning her home every day. When a friend said she had a housekeeper, I thought wow but then realised I would rather do housework as exercise than weight training.

 

[missy_sana]

* * DO NOT LEAVE *CHILDREN* UNACCOMPANIED * *

 

[missy_sana]

Cut the hair, not the bone.

Cheapest and easiest way to a V-shape. Bless her face!

 

[MrsKing]

It has been 5 months now since my breast implant en bloc explant and my decision to never try implants again after 20 years and 4 sets of recalled implants that have either ruptured or leaked over time. I am approaching 6 months when I would be allowed to try breast fat transfer. I took photos of my body looking for potential areas to lipo for fat transfer but it does not look hopeful so I shall try a new look of bras with slight padding and tighter tops to try to create the illusion of a fuller chest. I realised when I did have dd implants I wore loose fitting clothes to hide my size but now I need all the help I can get.

I am grateful that walking exercise, housework, drinking water not wine and trying a vegan, non dairy diet is giving me a fit body for a 53-year-old who avoids the gym, weights, jogging and pilates. I remember what a 90+ year old lady said was the secret to her longevity, health and fitness...cleaning her home every day. When a friend said she had a housekeeper, I thought wow but then realised I would rather do housework as exercise than weight training.

Hi MissO,
Wow, just Wow, on how great you look at your age! Thanks for sharing and I for one have learned a lot.
On one of your post you had mentioned that GA was an overkill for FG.. in your experience, what would be the appropriate sedation method for FG? I am considering lid surgery and FG on lids and upper face (thanks to the info you provided) so wonder about the sedation method. Were you conscious when having FG at MVP? How long approximately does the FG on lids and forehead would generally last?

Keep looking fabulous,
MrsKing

 

[MissOrange]

Hi MissO,
Wow, just Wow, on how great you look at your age! Thanks for sharing and I for one have learned a lot.
On one of your post you had mentioned that GA was an overkill for FG.. in your experience, what would be the appropriate sedation method for FG? I am considering lid surgery and FG on lids and upper face (thanks to the info you provided) so wonder about the sedation method. Were you conscious when having FG at MVP? How long approximately does the FG on lids and forehead would generally last?

Keep looking fabulous,
MrsKing

Welcome @MrsKing! In the UK they do GA practically all the time but in Korea they rely on twilight IV sedation as there are fewer anaesthetists. At mvp clinic there is only one anaesthetist for 4 surgeons. GA requires constant monitoring vs IV not. For twilight iv sedation, a benzo and opiate are administered. Although lately there have been reports of what sounds like ketamine being used based on the hallucinogenic images while under.

For upper lid bleph ie double eyelid incision surgery as they call it in Korea, you are awake and sat up to check the lids mid op so the anaesthesia is a mix of local and twilight before you fall back to sleep. This part surprised me as when I had upper lid blephs in the uk, all were under GA. However once you know to expect this, it is fine as you feel pressure in the lids but no pain. I remember being awake as they cleaned my thighs with a cold solution on the op table for the fat they would need for my lids! Quite an experience to see different operating room methods Korea vs UK.

My one experience of waking up from GA after surgery at DAPRS clinic scared me to death! I could not breathe from the heavy gases they had given me intraop. I seriously thought I might die and my British husband would never find me. Funny how their consent form actually says horrible anesthesia as a possible side effect and now I know why. This made me terrified of getting GA in korea and only prefer iv twilight sedation which is easily reversible. It was odd as the other times I had fat graft top up at DA they used iv twilight sedation.

It took 2 years of trial and error to finally figure out how to make fat graft last. Ironically it was when a Brit Chinese friend showed me his Fresh clinic fat graft postop instructions that read to gain 2-3 lbs after surgery that made me realise this is where I went wrong. But who wants to be 3 lbs fatter? Which is why I intentionally lost weight before my mvp full face fat graft in Feb 2018 and then gained weight postop for fat graft survival. This has worked. I just need to keep drinking water for my lower face as fat graft survival goes down with mouth movements and getting ulthera at the same time may have reduced fat graft survival in my lower face.

Yes fat graft is good for foreheads, temples and upper lids. But in cheeks it tends to build and stay, ie like chipmunk cheeks and over time may sag the cheeks from excess weight of fat.

Good luck with your journey! Less is more. Perhaps just get the upper lid bleph with lid fat graft only first.

 

[MissOrange]

Today's post is on camera lenses. I couldn't understand why my face looks better in selfies than when filmed for tv interviews and told myself oh tv adds 10 lbs...Or why my face looked super wide in group photos when I stood at the end of the line up...Or why my face looked wide in the distance and slim up close on my phone camera. Now I know why!!!

Always stand in the centre of a group or behind the other person to look the best as the phone camera lens distorts at the sides! The person in the centre or behind will have the best or smallest face and the ones in front or at the side the widest distorted face!

Here are some of many faces you can find on google taken with different focal length cameras. Seems the smaller the focal length the narrower the face and the bigger the focal length the wider.

Now add to that how full face fat graft is affected by dehydration, hydration, even a mere 1 lb weight gain and you can see how confused I get as I keep looking different in selfies, pictures taken at a distance, selfie stick or tv camera lens. Sigh. I try now to rely on the simple bathroom mirror but even then it is like a funfair..some mirrors make my face slim vs others full! Or as my daughter puts it "mummy you are not as slim as in that mirror." This is when you need friends or family to see you in person to check whether you have a wide face or slim face, big cheeks or not, small nose or not etc. It may not be bdd but our phone camera lenses and mirrors!

Okay so I googled does tv make you fat? https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/cameras-can-make-you-look-fat-2016-7
It seems the answer may be yes due to lack of depth on tv...ie a 2D face looks wider and flatter as it lacks the 3D depth of a real face so it spreads everything out.

Then I wanted to know what the most accurate focal length was for a camera lens to capture my real face...85-135 mm but the S9 camera focal length is 25-26 mm, front and rear cameras!!! Omg no wonder my face looks slimmer in selfies! Then how am I to send a true image to clinics for assessment if this phone only takes slimmer photos?

I need to find my old fashioned camera and see what focal length that lens is. This is so depressing.

 

[MissOrange]

Today's post is on finding a true photo of what I look like. Here is one taken early Feb 2018 by a panasonic lumix camera with adjustable focal lens. I weighed 98 lbs in the photo. Looking at this photo makes me wonder why I then flew to Korea later that same month for full face fat graft when it looks full already. I blame my Samsung phone camera for distorting my face and for not learning in time that dehydration especially in hot climates can cause facial sagging and deflation.

This made me think of the girls who rely on their phone cameras to judge the size of their nose, faces, etc. and rely on these images to feel happy or sad or in one case suicidal. Please find an old fashioned camera instead of rely on a phone camera with a distorting fixed focal lens. Noses appear bigger or more narrow than true life with a phone camera lens up close. The apple iphone also has a fixed focal lens around 30 mms so not the ideal portrait focal lens of 85 mms.

As I had ulthera and full face fat graft in late February 2018, my face has changed since and I need to take more recent photos with the lumix but still addicted to using the S9 for convenience. An old camera means hooking it up to a usb port to upload photos to a computer to then email back to your phone. Sigh.

 

[MissOrange]

Has anyone tried a jade roller for facial lymphatic drainage to prevent lines? I ordered mine from eBay for £2.88 and found this YouTube video on how to use it. I saw a girl in a k drama use one and wondered what it was for.

 

[Jessicala]

Has anyone tried a jade roller for facial lymphatic drainage to prevent lines? I ordered mine from eBay for £2.88 and found this YouTube video on how to use it. I saw a girl in a k drama use one and wondered what it was for.

Apparently the problem is that there are a log or fake ones and you need real jade roller to be efficient

 

[Virgo3746!]

Has anyone tried a jade roller for facial lymphatic drainage to prevent lines? I ordered mine from eBay for £2.88 and found this YouTube video on how to use it. I saw a girl in a k drama use one and wondered what it was for.

Hello Miss Orange
I have been reading your 104 pages post and really impress by your beauty, honesty and knowledge in the aesthetic and plastic surgery field. Thank you for sharing your journey. I had used the gemstone roller (both jade and rose quart) it does seem to help a little, but result aren't long lasting (only few hours most). I am starting the NuFace Trinity and will let you know if it work.
I plan to be in Seoul this mid July and plan to visit MVP, Regen, and Dream for DES, ptosis, possible zygoma reduciton and lower face lift. I am 48, born with wide cheeek and with menopause have seen some sagging in lower face. I had good experience with Regen via a fat graft in 2013 for my forehead that still hold well. Inmy opinion, the fat survival percentage depend on several factors: genetic, how fat harvest, areas of harvest, the size of fat harvest, areas of receiving, hydrattion, associate with stemcell or PRP, and post care.
I am familiar with Neurotoxin (Botox, Dysport, Xeomin), Dermal filler (Juvederm, Restylane), Radiesse, and Biostimulator Sculptra as well, should you like to know more about it, I would be happy to share as an NP doing aesthetic in US. If you have not try Sculptra, I would highly recommend research on it and try.
Thanks again for sharing your experience and knowledge

 

[MissOrange]

Hello Miss Orange
I have been reading your 104 pages post and really impress by your beauty, honesty and knowledge in the aesthetic and plastic surgery field. Thank you for sharing your journey. I had used the gemstone roller (both jade and rose quart) it does seem to help a little, but result aren't long lasting (only few hours most). I am starting the NuFace Trinity and will let you know if it work.
I plan to be in Seoul this mid July and plan to visit MVP, Regen, and Dream for DES, ptosis, possible zygoma reduciton and lower face lift. I am 48, born with wide cheeek and with menopause have seen some sagging in lower face. I had good experience with Regen via a fat graft in 2013 for my forehead that still hold well. Inmy opinion, the fat survival percentage depend on several factors: genetic, how fat harvest, areas of harvest, the size of fat harvest, areas of receiving, hydrattion, associate with stemcell or PRP, and post care.
I am familiar with Neurotoxin (Botox, Dysport, Xeomin), Dermal filler (Juvederm, Restylane), Radiesse, and Biostimulator Sculptra as well, should you like to know more about it, I would be happy to share as an NP doing aesthetic in US. If you have not try Sculptra, I would highly recommend research on it and try.
Thanks again for sharing your experience and knowledge

Hi @Virgo3746!
Well done for reading all 104 pages! And good luck on your upcoming trip to Seoul next month! Say Hi to Dr Seo and Ellen for me and Dr Oh is impressive at Regen. I feel bad I can’t speak fluent Korean even after 2 years of Saturday classes. Dr Oh speaks fluent English! I am amazed. For facelift, pop into ASPS which is on the way to MVP from Apgujeong metro station.

This week I have been obsessing about my bat wings. Since I gave up adult ballet after 2 terms, I have been noticing my upper arm flab and loose skin underneath! I can’t understand how I still have fat and loose skin there when I weigh 97-98 lbs! Like how skinny do I have to get to get back the skinny upper arms I had in my early 20s? My right arm is 11 inches in circumference and my left is 10.5 inches but I can pinch an inch of fat under each upper arm. Is this part and parcel of being postmenopausal? Do women in their 50s eventually end up with batwings?

So today’s topic is arm bat wings. I asked for quotes from Fresh clinic for their arm liposuction...ready for it....3.3 million + 10% vat!!! OMG. I then checked on RealSelf and Dr Bert Oelbrandt in Belgium charges £1250 for arm lipo. Wow, Europe is cheaper than Korea! I looked at arm lifts and omg, a long visible vertical scar running the length of the underside of the upper arm! Shriek! Sigh. Then I asked someone who had arm lipo in Korea but she does not recommend this as it leaves the arm lumpy. Has anyone had a good arm lipo experience and where?

Then I googled how to get rid of batwings and a lot of YouTube videos came up with....you got it arm exercises!!! Aargh I hate exercising. Still I can manage criss crossing scissoring my arms and moving my arms up and down like jumping jacks. Will it work? Have only been doing it for 2 days. Then I just flexed my arms and the loose under skin tightens up? I don’t understand why it hangs down then when I am not flexing my biceps?

What do I do? Exercises (hard work and free), try Dr O (he charges £40 for a consult in London and take a train to Belgium for £1250 arm lipo, the cheapest price I can find), try Fresh for breast FT with arm and flank fat (but they need 500-600 ccs of fat which I don’t have), try Dr Bednar in North Carolina for 360 lipo with breast FT for $9k as he is renowned for finding every bit of fat on a skinny person for breast augmentation?

What are ladies doing out there to reduce your batwings without going back to weekly adult ballet classes?

An extra tip today...I have now seen the b&a photo results of 3 ladies who paid breast oncology surgeon Mrs Claudia Harding MacKean £4144 in Chester, UK for breast implant en bloc removal with capsulectomy and a full breast lift and love their results and I agree, they got beautiful yet full lifts. I am so jealous as I paid almost double this with another surgeon and have a free revision booked next month to address the uneven areolas but this will not address the sagging with the donut lift I had.

 

[Fortunecat]

Hi @Virgo3746!
Well done for reading all 104 pages! And good luck on your upcoming trip to Seoul next month! Say Hi to Dr Seo and Ellen for me and Dr Oh is impressive at Regen. I feel bad I can’t speak fluent Korean even after 2 years of Saturday classes. Dr Oh speaks fluent English! I am amazed. For facelift, pop into ASPS which is on the way to MVP from Apgujeong metro station.

This week I have been obsessing about my bat wings. Since I gave up adult ballet after 2 terms, I have been noticing my upper arm flab and loose skin underneath! I can’t understand how I still have fat and loose skin there when I weigh 97-98 lbs! Like how skinny do I have to get to get back the skinny upper arms I had in my early 20s? My right arm is 11 inches in circumference and my left is 10.5 inches but I can pinch an inch of fat under each upper arm. Is this part and parcel of being postmenopausal? Do women in their 50s eventually end up with batwings?

So today’s topic is arm bat wings. I asked for quotes from Fresh clinic for their arm liposuction...ready for it....3.3 million + 10% vat!!! OMG. I then checked on RealSelf and Dr Bert Oelbrandt in Belgium charges £1250 for arm lipo. Wow, Europe is cheaper than Korea! I looked at arm lifts and omg, a long visible vertical scar running the length of the underside of the upper arm! Shriek! Sigh. Then I asked someone who had arm lipo in Korea but she does not recommend this as it leaves the arm lumpy. Has anyone had a good arm lipo experience and where?

Then I googled how to get rid of batwings and a lot of YouTube videos came up with....you got it arm exercises!!! Aargh I hate exercising. Still I can manage criss crossing scissoring my arms and moving my arms up and down like jumping jacks. Will it work? Have only been doing it for 2 days. Then I just flexed my arms and the loose under skin tightens up? I don’t understand why it hangs down then when I am not flexing my biceps?

What do I do? Exercises (hard work and free), try Dr O (he charges £40 for a consult in London and take a train to Belgium for £1250 arm lipo, the cheapest price I can find), try Fresh for breast FT with arm and flank fat (but they need 500-600 ccs of fat which I don’t have), try Dr Bednar in North Carolina for 360 lipo with breast FT for $9k as he is renowned for finding every bit of fat on a skinny person for breast augmentation?

What are ladies doing out there to reduce your batwings without going back to weekly adult ballet classes?

An extra tip today...I have now seen the b&a photo results of 3 ladies who paid breast oncology surgeon Mrs Claudia Harding MacKean £4144 in Chester, UK for breast implant en bloc removal with capsulectomy and a full breast lift and love their results and I agree, they got beautiful yet full lifts. I am so jealous as I paid almost double this with another surgeon and have a free revision booked next month to address the uneven areolas but this will not address the sagging with the donut lift I had.

When we grow older, we will have batwings due to skin sagging, loss of muscle mass and maybe reduction in bone density. For exercise, you can train your triceps with dumbbells. As for skin sagging, maybe you can try to apply those firming cream?

 

[MissOrange]

When we grow older, we will have batwings due to skin sagging, loss of muscle mass and maybe reduction in bone density. For exercise, you can train your triceps with dumbbells. As for skin sagging, maybe you can try to apply those firming cream?

Thanks @Fortunecat,

I have now received a quote from a surgeon in Hull, East Yorkshire for £2700 for arm lift under local! Gulp. I don’t think I can stomach lipo under local. Also it is the same price as Korea but more with travel costs. So the choice is easier. The best plastic surgeon for the most reasonable price is Dr Bert Oelbrandt in Belgium. I will book a consult to see him in London on July 7 for £40 and then pay £1250 for arm lipo under twilight sedation in Belgium! He has 4.9/5 google reviews and plenty of positive reviews on RealSelf. I looked into train prices from London to Antwerp area and it is about £100 return and the 5 star b&b by the clinic is €90 a night and I will need 2 nights. It will be an adventure for me exploring Belgium especially as I don’t speak Dutch! I shall keep this thread updated with my results after surgery. Any surgery in Korea has to take into account the £1k extra expense in flights and hotel costs. I have my ted stockings from my breast explant so I can use this as compression bandage for my upper arms postop!

As I have had traditional lipo and Vaser lipo to my tummy and thighs in 2002 and 2004 in the UK for £4K each time, I can highly recommend lipo as a surgical procedure to permanently remove fat cells but not the expensive price. Once the fat cells are sucked out of my arms, that leaves any fat weight gain to hopefully expand in my chest and bum! Lol. Well I hope. It is unpredictable where the body decides to expand fat cells elsewhere when lipo removes fat cells from one part of the body. It better not expand my face fat cells!! Well, maybe a little is okay, like a fat graft top up.

In the meantime it is 27 days to go before I travel back to Birmingham for areola symmetrisation under local. I simply do not have 500-600 ccs of fat (like 2 breast implants) on my body for £5k breast fat transfer in my opinion, so I shall rely on a silk M&S bra to give me a lift and fullness.