Scarves Hermès Scarf Identification

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hi,

I don't know whether this is the proper forum for asking my question about what to expect from genuine Hermes scarves in general, but I saw a posting about this from a while back and would like to follow up on it:

- how closely should the hem thread color match that of the scarf ? I have an orange scarf with pinkish threads (you have to look closely to notice this)
- how hard a rule is the 2.2 oz weight ? can it be 'normal' for a modern scarf to weigh more, ie. 2.5 oz?

My apologies if this is the wrong place to post ( I am not attaching any photos for this reason)
Thank you!

Sorry but this thread is not for authentication, which is what your questions relate to. Thanks for your understanding.
 
Long care tag , so it from the 1990s , interesting

Also helps demonstrate authenticity , Hermes will put a short tag on there if they hemmed or fixed it at the scarf spa

The gavroches started being done again ca 1990 , and never appear in booklets or ads so there are lots of mysteries there

And originally , ca 1990 , the gavroche was about 1/2 in longer than a pochette sold for men - they were similar but different products

I have not measured recent 45 cm and there are now so many many sizes eg 55 cm etc

Some even had machine gems but are authentic

Interesting.... what do you mean again? Was there a period when H stopped making them and then started again? I know that a third volume of Carre d'Art is in works and there will be gavroches included. I know that book has lots of factual mistakes but nevertheless it'll be a wonderful addition to our HS paraphernalia.
 
Interesting.... what do you mean again? Was there a period when H stopped making them and then started again? I know that a third volume of Carre d'Art is in works and there will be gavroches included. I know that book has lots of factual mistakes but nevertheless it'll be a wonderful addition to our HS paraphernalia.

Small format scarves were certainly done in the 1950s , they are rare. Lots of pochettes were sold in the 1960s - 1970s.

Then in 1986 (I wrote 1990 ca previously), the gavroche line was introduced (per a long forgotten blurb from Hermes !) with a great flourish, as if they were introducing a novel size of scarf. They started doing more elaborate feminine designs- that was new, but the size had been done before. Some people make a distinction between pochettes & gavroches, others do not, but they are basically the same size. So, the (supposedly) new product - gavroche - was in an old size, with more feminine designs - some old & some new, in different fabrics eg mousse, but not jacquard. I seem to remember one or two 45 cm cashmeres, but, I may be incorrect.

Sorry, that is the brief version, could go on for paragraphs .. there are no fast rules for hermes scarves, there are too many exceptions...

The 1986 intro of the garvoches was like the 2007 intro of the 70s - H had done 70 cm scarves before, but presented the smaller 70 format as if it were a new idea, which it was not. The «vintage» fabric was new but not size. So, many think the 70 cm size was invented in 2007 which is incorrect.

Carres d Art is very good, given the limitations of the format.

It only has a one liner of information for each design. Compare to my run-on explanation of gavroches with in all sorts of caveats about size, fabric etc. To me, it is inexact to say the gavroche was invented in 1986, but that is the one date that people hang on to. I am one of those people for whom excapsulating an Hermes design in a one liner is an anathema
 
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Small format scarves were certainly done in the 1950s , they are rare. Lots of pochettes were sold in the 1960s - 1970s.

Then in 1986 (I wrote 1990 ca previously), the gavroche line was introduced (per a long forgotten blurb from Hermes !) with a great flourish, as if they were introducing a novel size of scarf. They started doing more elaborate feminine designs- that was new, but the size had been done before. Some people make a distinction between pochettes & gavroches, others do not, but they are basically the same size. So, the (supposedly) new product - gavroche - was in an old size, with more feminine designs - some old & some new, in different fabrics eg mousse, but not jacquard. I seem to remember one or two 45 cm cashmeres, but, I may be incorrect.

Sorry, that is the brief version, could go on for paragraphs .. there are no fast rules for hermes scarves, there are too many exceptions...

The 1986 intro of the garvoches was like the 2007 intro of the 70s - H had done 70 cm scarves before, but presented the smaller 70 format as if it were a new idea, which it was not. The «vintage» fabric was new but not size. So, many think the 70 cm size was invented in 2007 which is incorrect.

Carres d Art is very good, given the limitations of the format.

It only has a one liner of information for each design. Compare to my run-on explanation of gavroches with in all sorts of caveats about size, fabric etc. To me, it is inexact to say the gavroche was invented in 1986, but that is the one date that people hang on to. I am one of those people for whom excapsulating an Hermes design in a one liner is an anathema

You are correct, marietouchet, an example of cashmere/silk gavroche is Cosmos. And there was a "70 format" that was done way before 2007, in 1958, called Cavaleria by R. Bolliger (uber grail design for many of my collector friends) which I never heard of the 90-cm format, but there is one on *bay right now (makes me scratch my head).
 
Hi! I have an Hermes scarf by Yannick Manier - Vent Portant - 1992. I have scoured the internet looking for the colorway, but I cannot locate one that has the same colorway as mine. The one that looks most similar is green, but my scarf is definitely not green around the edges. I have attached pictures. Hoping someone can help me. I know it is authenic as my sister was an employee all through the 90s and the scarf has the 's' mark for sale.
 

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Small format scarves were certainly done in the 1950s , they are rare. Lots of pochettes were sold in the 1960s - 1970s.

Then in 1986 (I wrote 1990 ca previously), the gavroche line was introduced (per a long forgotten blurb from Hermes !) with a great flourish, as if they were introducing a novel size of scarf. They started doing more elaborate feminine designs- that was new, but the size had been done before. Some people make a distinction between pochettes & gavroches, others do not, but they are basically the same size. So, the (supposedly) new product - gavroche - was in an old size, with more feminine designs - some old & some new, in different fabrics eg mousse, but not jacquard. I seem to remember one or two 45 cm cashmeres, but, I may be incorrect.

Sorry, that is the brief version, could go on for paragraphs .. there are no fast rules for hermes scarves, there are too many exceptions...

The 1986 intro of the garvoches was like the 2007 intro of the 70s - H had done 70 cm scarves before, but presented the smaller 70 format as if it were a new idea, which it was not. The «vintage» fabric was new but not size. So, many think the 70 cm size was invented in 2007 which is incorrect.

Carres d Art is very good, given the limitations of the format.

It only has a one liner of information for each design. Compare to my run-on explanation of gavroches with in all sorts of caveats about size, fabric etc. To me, it is inexact to say the gavroche was invented in 1986, but that is the one date that people hang on to. I am one of those people for whom excapsulating an Hermes design in a one liner is an anathema


I'm the same and always looking for more info and it is never enough! THANK YOU, Marie!!! You are a walking goldmine of information! :smile1:
Always appreciative Masik!
 
Hi! I have an Hermes scarf by Yannick Manier - Vent Portant - 1992. I have scoured the internet looking for the colorway, but I cannot locate one that has the same colorway as mine. The one that looks most similar is green, but my scarf is definitely not green around the edges. I have attached pictures. Hoping someone can help me. I know it is authenic as my sister was an employee all through the 90s and the scarf has the 's' mark for sale.

This database may be helpful.

http://piwigo.hermesscarf.com/index?/category/Home
 
You are welcome

On the small format scarves ... There have always been small scarves around 40-50 cm sq, Men stuck them in suit pockets, ladies wore Hermes neck scarves in 1940s magazines.

A Le Monde from 1987 cited an 18 in sq (sic) small silk twill handkerchief (sic) in the Brides de Gala design.

As an aside, looking for info on 45cms, I stumbled on a Le Monde which gave 1938 (sic) as the year of the first carre ... That was priceless ... Hermes documentation is known for its accuracy (not!) ... Yet people persist in wanting to know the EXACT year a scarf is from ...

Back to scarf sizes, Maison des carres USA sells 16 in scarves. Wow, they shrank 2 in since 1987 !!! Are our necks smaller ?

Today MdC France sells 45cm scarves. 45 cm is 17.7165 in Hmmmmm are the scarves in Europe 1.7165 in larger than those in the US ? No, there is NO size difference between Euro gavroches and US gavroches, Yet an American will think they are 1.7165 in smaller than a European.

Some may argue these are all «gavroches» but one can also argue that we are talking about different products, Maybe they were really 18 in sq in 1987 and a conscious decision was later made to make them smaller
 
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You are correct, marietouchet, an example of cashmere/silk gavroche is Cosmos. And there was a "70 format" that was done way before 2007, in 1958, called Cavaleria by R. Bolliger (uber grail design for many of my collector friends) which I never heard of the 90-cm format, but there is one on *bay right now (makes me scratch my head).

Thanks for the help on the CS gavroches ...

I own several 70s from the 1950s - the mosaic seashells is one

And cotton was done in 70cm in the early 2000s
 
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You're welcome! :smile1: I gave it to my son, but I can try :smile1:

Super! But actually since I'm fairly sure mine is authentic as well and in impeccable condition and with the tag, it is not necessarily. Though I'm curious of a tag placement. Mine is not in a corner. I'll snap a pic tomorrow.
Do you have any idea of the year it was issued by any chance? thank you ;)
 
Hi! I have an Hermes scarf by Yannick Manier - Vent Portant - 1992. I have scoured the internet looking for the colorway, but I cannot locate one that has the same colorway as mine. The one that looks most similar is green, but my scarf is definitely not green around the edges. I have attached pictures. Hoping someone can help me. I know it is authenic as my sister was an employee all through the 90s and the scarf has the 's' mark for sale.
The Vent Portant is from 1992

At that time the Hermes booklets did not state the colorway, nor did they have tags - with the nbr on it. So, it is in none of my references.

It would be very unlikely that anyone would know the colorway, but never impossible, maybe an SA - who worked in the 1990s - would know
 
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